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I'm still sifting through it, but it looks like the CCCC's hurling championship proposals have changed, and now limit the Liam McCarthy competition to 10 teams (5 Leinster incl Galway, and 5 Munster), and remove the 'tier 2' teams (Westmeath, Antrim, Carlow, Kerry, Laois and Meath) from the Liam McCarthy. What do people think of that? Seems like a step backwards, no? Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 05/09/2017 16:59:01 2043074 Link 1 |
Agree. They seemed to have devalued the competitions from Christy ring downward. Basically the allowed too many teams that were not up to provincial standard into leinster. Now they realise there mistake and the answer is to call it tier 2 and let them play away amongst themselves. Surrey the winners of that group deserve a chance to keep hurling in leister. Especially considering offaly are guranteed games in leinster Bimb (Carlow) - Posts: 452 - 05/09/2017 17:11:53 2043082 Link 0 |
Agree. They seemed to have devalued the competitions from Christy ring downward. Basically the allowed too many teams that were not up to provincial standard into leinster. Now they realise there mistake and the answer is to call it tier 2 and let them play away amongst themselves. Surrey the winners of that group deserve a chance to keep hurling in leister. Especially considering offaly are guranteed games in leinster Bimb (Carlow) - Posts: 452 - 05/09/2017 17:24:43 2043092 Link 0 |
What a further joke and insult to any county trying to break through an ever thickening glass ceiling. Passer_By (Carlow) - Posts: 509 - 05/09/2017 17:27:32 2043095 Link 2 |
I agree with what was said on the Sunday Game after the All-Ireland. If it's not broke, then don't fix it. It's a knee jerk reaction to the football super 8s. I would rather have fewer games and be looking forward to them, than having lots of dull games. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 05/09/2017 17:35:30 2043098 Link 1 |
Absolutely disgraceful treatment to Kerry, a Leinster side wins the Christy ring and they go straight into leinster but if Kerry win it the have to play a play off against the bottom Munster side. Basically consigning Kerry to tier 2 with no chance of progression. How is this developing the game as_ky (Kerry) - Posts: 535 - 05/09/2017 17:40:10 2043103 Link 1 |
Exactly. And just to further the point on Westmeath, their U21's beat Kilkenny in the championship last year, and were competitive again with them this year. That, married to Westmeath's performance this year against Tipp, is a pretty strong example of why teams like that should be part of the AI series. They're only going to become more competitive in the next few years I would imagine, and only add to the AI series (and broaden interest in the championship in general). The gene pool at the top tier is shallow enough, lets not reduce it further.
Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 05/09/2017 17:51:45 2043108 Link 1 |
It's just about keeping the sacred Munster hurling championship between the current 5 counties. Disgraceful proposal.
M Lyster (Antrim) - Posts: 461 - 05/09/2017 18:40:56 2043131 Link 2 |
Looking at the 'CCCC/Ard Chomhairle' proposal, it appears to be the same relegation/promotion process for Leinster and Munster: "The winners of the new Tier 2 Championship shall replace the bottom team in the Leinster or Munster Championships, as appropriate, in the following year." I'm not sure what "as appropriate" amounts to, but i assume its that if Kerry win tier 2, they'd replace the bottom Munster side. If a Leinster team won tier 2, they'd replace the bottom Leinster side. I don't see provision for a play-off, although inconsistencies wouldn't surprise me. Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 05/09/2017 19:55:22 2043148 Link 0 |
I'm a bit confused by this, if anyone can clarify! Morty (Westmeath) - Posts: 209 - 05/09/2017 20:15:50 2043150 Link 1 |
Usual nonsense and contempt for the non traditional counties. 6 team competition and1 can get promoted out which means loads of dead rubber matches. carlovia (None) - Posts: 1517 - 05/09/2017 20:49:56 2043157 Link 0 |
Westmeath, Laois,Carlow,Antrim and Kerry brake their balls trying to improve hurling and these overpaid geniuses in Croke Park want to throw us out of the McCarthy cup.Westmeaths games with Laois,Meath,Kerry,Offaly and Tipperary were all terrific in a wonderful hurling season.They have made a proper mess by creating the elitist super eight monster in football and now they want to do the same in hurling
jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1456 - 05/09/2017 21:03:44 2043160 Link 0 |
What they should do is play this earlier in the months, May and June. Top two teams play off in a Final, which a trophy should be made, They should call it Keady Cup. The two teams in the final then go in to play for the Liam McCarthy, one team goes to the Leinster and the other Goes to Munster. oakleafersir (Derry) - Posts: 808 - 05/09/2017 21:15:14 2043165 Link 1 |
Jobber, you remember when they tried to put our Christy ring final on Friday night in croke park. Nothing has changed since then. 6 teams and only 1 escapes and laois,Westmeath and Carlow not allowed in their own provincial competition. carlovia (None) - Posts: 1517 - 05/09/2017 21:44:29 2043174 Link 0 |
Jack_Sparrow (Westmeath) - Posts: 1016 - 05/09/2017 22:01:06 2043185 Link 1 |
Agreed Jack. I don't know what was wrong with the structure of the championship over the last 3 years or so. It's a setback for the hurling people who are putting in great work in Westmeath, Carlow, Laois, Meath etc.
Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 05/09/2017 22:07:40 2043188 Link 1 |
Kerry hurling f*cking shafted again! At this stage I don't know why we bother anymore, no matter what strides we make those A-holes in Croke Park will cut a tree across our path! The first year we should have been promoted to Division 1b they put in a relegation/promotion play-off to keep us down in 2A, we finally get up to 1b and prove we can compete there and what do they do this year, take away the safety of the promotion/relegation again to send us back down to 2A. And now this insult! Any other county that wins this Tier 2 fiasco can then go into the Liam McCarthy the following year but Kerry have to play a promotion/relegation playoff against the worst team in Munster. Now say that is Limerick as at present (no offense Limerick fans), Kerry are no where near their level yet, but we can compete with the Laois's, Antrim's, Offalys and Westmeath's of this world. There is no incentive for Kerry to try and win this thing, all they will get for their trouble is a pasting from the Limericks of this world. Effectively it will take a miracle for them to ever get into the Senior Championship. They throw millions at Dublin to get their hurlers up to some sort of level and yet they f*ck over counties like us working their a*se off with limited resources and in the shadow of the all consuming nature of Gaelic football in the Kingdom. I really wish the Kerry County Board would use their influence to start throwing their weight around on behalf of the Kerry hurlers and other similar counties and get Croke Park to pull their collective heads out of their a-holes. If this proposal gets through it is a disgrace. They probably think just because Galway won now that hurling is in a great place. I think every county outside of the 10 in the Liam McCarthy should withdraw their inter-county teams if this get through. It might be the only thing to wake Croke Park up! TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 05/09/2017 22:22:43 2043193 Link 1 |
It's an absolute joke. Say Kerry win tier one, does anyone seriously think for one nanosecond that Clare, or Limerick, or Waterford, hell it could be Cork or Tipp, are going to say "that's alright Jack" and quietly allow themselves be demoted from the following year's Munster championship? Never gonna happen in a million years.
ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 05/09/2017 22:39:02 2043202 Link 0 |
Hopefully common sense will prevail and they will leave well enough alone. The championship is working well in its current format. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 05/09/2017 22:49:20 2043205 Link 0 |
The question I'd ask is, what problems are these changes seeking to address? The problems in inter-county hurling is that too few counties can compete at the top level. And the fewer counties involved, the less interest in inter-county hurling there is. So if changes are made, they should be addressing problems that need addressing. Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 06/09/2017 00:16:38 2043234 Link 0 |