National - Dublin v Mayo. Who will win the 2017 All Ireland football final?

Well done to Dublin. Another classic. One of the finest games I've had the pleasure of attending. It was so intense for the 80 minutes. I haven't really processed the game in it's entirety yet. Today is worse than yesterday. Its hitting home hard today.
Unfortunately some of the absolute rubbish and bile from some on here since Sunday evening is frankly disgusting but predictable. You'd wonder do some of the most vocal on here understand football at all.
Anyway fair play to this Dublin squad. An excellent bunch. They will be appreciated in time. They have so much quality all over the field (and bench). They were savage yesterday in the closing stages again.
I think in general the Mayo lads pushed themselves to their limit but it's little consolation. Hard luck to the Mayo lads. It's tough to take

Weary (All) - Posts:233 - 19/09/2017 11:01:01   2047947

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Replying To bad.monkey:  "Population eh , new york and london should be winning every championship so..."
Silly reply, as in the main population feeds into the subset of players playing. For example the chances of becoming a professional athlete in the usa lies somewhere between 1 in 100,000 and 2 in 100,000. Depending on what state you are from. So for example Dublin can garner 13 athletes of this ability per year. Where as mayo can garner 1. whatever. Multiply this by a 10 year playing window. This leaves dublin with 130 to mayo's 10. What we have to realize is that numbers do matter. But why split Dublin. Why not merge other counties. Secondly, and this needs to be considered is the difference between having excellent structures and mediocre structures such as coaching admin etc... only results in the ability to generate 1 more athlete per 100,000 in the states. Is there any reason we should think that our own country is immune to this statistic and that Leitrim, cavan, offaly, longford, louth , sligo can even compete. Its not their coaching as the margins to benefits ratio is actually small. It's through the subset of sheer playing volume. Figures above are verifiable!

quicksand (Down) - Posts:7 - 19/09/2017 12:01:29   2047995

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "This rubbish again from both fans, only seeing what they want to see. McMahon and Cooper should have walked for their constant fouling off the ball if that's the case. Keegan is such an easy target it's a joke at this stage. He puts the best players in the country in his pocket and the only thing people from the opposing county can say is constantly fouling. He isn't, and you are lying if you say that statement. You can't constantly foul throughout a game in a position that he plays. Same rubbish was said last year. I watched them closely on Sunday as I did last year when he marked Connolly. He literally stands so close to them no matter where they run they aren't even a short handpass option. Does he foul them during the game. Yep probably 3 or 4 times. Same as they do to him. People only see what they want to see."
Agreed mate, he did a terrific job on Kilkenny the last day, the trouble was Connolly had the freedom of Croke park when he came on. I watched the game back last night and Connolly became Dublin main play maker got a point and won the free to win it. If only you had a team of Lee Keegans. It was another one of those small margins that i think turned the game in Dublin favour.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts:933 - 19/09/2017 12:28:26   2048015

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@TheFlaker: "You can't constantly foul throughout a game in a position that he plays". Now that is rubbish.

Anyway, commiserations to the Mayo players, it's probably the best they've played in a Final but is of no consolation to them. They have to go again and will. Congrats to the Dublin players - incredible achievement, history makers.

dubdec99 (Dublin) - Posts:86 - 19/09/2017 13:12:20   2048045

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "This rubbish again from both fans, only seeing what they want to see. McMahon and Cooper should have walked for their constant fouling off the ball if that's the case. Keegan is such an easy target it's a joke at this stage. He puts the best players in the country in his pocket and the only thing people from the opposing county can say is constantly fouling. He isn't, and you are lying if you say that statement. You can't constantly foul throughout a game in a position that he plays. Same rubbish was said last year. I watched them closely on Sunday as I did last year when he marked Connolly. He literally stands so close to them no matter where they run they aren't even a short handpass option. Does he foul them during the game. Yep probably 3 or 4 times. Same as they do to him. People only see what they want to see."
Wow rubbish from both sets of supporters yet what you seen and didn't see is gospel? What about AOS 30 seconds into second half? Black card all day. Cillian O'Connor constantly body checking Dublin players off the ball trying to stop their runs, and constantly badgering the referee, at one stage the ref had to tell him to shut up and go away. Mayo players are all angels in your eyes and the Dublin players are cynical. Is that it? That's your slant?

Chops (Westmeath) - Posts:644 - 19/09/2017 13:32:53   2048051

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Before Sunday the highest percentage of of chances taken by a winning team in the modern era finals was 60 per cent. Mayo took 59 per cent and still lost. Dublin 67 per cent! Dublin put to the pin of their collar and they come up with a record breaking stat to get over the line. It's a hard life for the Mayo lads!

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts:5412 - 19/09/2017 17:21:38   2048189

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Replying To marooney:  "So Connolly didn't over carry, eh? No harm done though - it only led to a point, same margin they won by. At 1:04.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkMMxm-DfAE"
Nope didn't overcarry. The lad is a class act, a pleasure watching him play the game. .

poguemahone (Dublin) - Posts:329 - 19/09/2017 20:53:10   2048279

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Replying To Chops:  "Wow rubbish from both sets of supporters yet what you seen and didn't see is gospel? What about AOS 30 seconds into second half? Black card all day. Cillian O'Connor constantly body checking Dublin players off the ball trying to stop their runs, and constantly badgering the referee, at one stage the ref had to tell him to shut up and go away. Mayo players are all angels in your eyes and the Dublin players are cynical. Is that it? That's your slant?"
Lol you obviously don't know any of my previous posts if you think I am totally biased for Mayo. I was responding to a one sided post the other way. I am defo not a biased poster. Enjoyed your post though, very dramatic stuff.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts:5412 - 19/09/2017 21:04:37   2048285

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The narrative before the game from most neutrals and experts was that Dublins stronger bench would see them over the line.

Having watched the game back on TV that's exactly what happened. In the theee finals Dublin have beaten us in, their subs have scored a combined 0-8 while ours have scored 0-1...there's your difference.

We are well able to match them 95% of the way there but keep falling short. That extra 5% in the form of another scoring forward/bench options is required. Just like in 2013 we were only a point ahead at half time.

It's unfortunate and heartbreaking from our perspective that Dublin have a great team at the same time we have the best ever Mayo team.

That's life. Mayo will move on and give it another go next year like everyone else. Enough of the pity and crap talk.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts:8656 - 19/09/2017 22:02:29   2048324

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Replying To yew_tree:  "The narrative before the game from most neutrals and experts was that Dublins stronger bench would see them over the line.

Having watched the game back on TV that's exactly what happened. In the theee finals Dublin have beaten us in, their subs have scored a combined 0-8 while ours have scored 0-1...there's your difference.

We are well able to match them 95% of the way there but keep falling short. That extra 5% in the form of another scoring forward/bench options is required. Just like in 2013 we were only a point ahead at half time.

It's unfortunate and heartbreaking from our perspective that Dublin have a great team at the same time we have the best ever Mayo team.

That's life. Mayo will move on and give it another go next year like everyone else. Enough of the pity and crap talk."
Well said, spoken like a man, and the best of luck to you next year as well. it's up to the rest of us to lift our game to be able to match Dublin.
Mayo and Kerry will be the biggest threat to them next year again. if we could just manage to win Ulster again it would be brilliant.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts:165 - 19/09/2017 22:36:06   2048344

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Replying To poguemahone:  "Nope didn't overcarry. The lad is a class act, a pleasure watching him play the game. ."
Either you don't know the rules, your sight is bad, your internet connection is freezing or you had the same maths teacher as Joe McQuillan. For what it's worth, four steps are allowed, not seven.

marooney (Galway) - Posts:40 - 19/09/2017 22:46:42   2048353

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Sad to hear Jack McCaffery did his cruicate in the final on Sunday, innital prognosis is he will miss the league and much of Lenister next year.

Big big loss.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts:933 - 20/09/2017 10:30:10   2048454

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Sorry to hear about Jack McCaffrey's injury. Even with the big squad his ability will be missed.

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts:1708 - 20/09/2017 17:46:37   2048681

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Can anyone give an opinion as to whether Dublin improved their kick-out strategy dramatically in the second half or did Mayo lower their concentration/intensity in dealing with Dublin's kick-outs? A lot more short kicks gained possession with less challenge in second half in my estimation.
Did Connolly and McMenamin's presence impact on the kick-out situation just by their presence further up the pitch drawing more attention?

cjx (Tyrone) - Posts:244 - 20/09/2017 18:25:24   2048694

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Sad to hear Jack McCaffery did his cruicate in the final on Sunday, innital prognosis is he will miss the league and much of Lenister next year.

Big big loss."
Genuinely sorry to hear that he is a tremendous talent and a nice lad I believe. It's no longer a career ending injury thankfully.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts:402 - 20/09/2017 18:29:05   2048696

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Replying To marooney:  "Either you don't know the rules, your sight is bad, your internet connection is freezing or you had the same maths teacher as Joe McQuillan. For what it's worth, four steps are allowed, not seven."
A combination of all 4 ......DC was fantastic, great that we fans all get to witness such talent on the AI final stage,

poguemahone (Dublin) - Posts:329 - 20/09/2017 19:49:17   2048747

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Sad to hear Jack McCaffery did his cruicate in the final on Sunday, innital prognosis is he will miss the league and much of Lenister next year.

Big big loss."
Explains why he was lashing the gargle down quicker down everyone else.... ah no, that's put a dampener on things. Actually felt his impact was noticeable when he went off. Was looking very good up to that point, Never gave a thought to the extent of the injury, was hoping it was nothing serious but unfortunately not.

poguemahone (Dublin) - Posts:329 - 20/09/2017 19:52:24   2048750

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Gutted for jack but he will come back stronger please God ..

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts:12429 - 20/09/2017 22:37:10   2048821

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