I seen a picture of a list of funding giving to counties, doing the rounds on facebook.

It's no wonder Dublin are miles ahead of the pack will the money they've received, 13,850,817 between 2007-2015, last year they recived 1.46 million, 14% of gaa development fund, Dublin also has 4 million sponsorship with AIG, along with 12 other official partners, In 2015 Dublin spent 1,556,075 on running it's senior football and hurling teams, the footballers have 25 man strong backroom team (probably more then some counties have at training), to be fair to the hurlers they've a average backroom team of around 6 or 7.

On the other end of the scale is wicklow, many now claiming it's the worst county team in the country, they didn't even make it onto the list of funding, In 2016 Wicklow revived 164,000 the 11th heighest but to be be split amongst two senior teams and improving underage teams it wouldn't go to far, Between both sponsorships, Joule and W.H Scott, probably receive about 40,000 if even that much, I'm not 100% on that info,im just going on what I heard, In 2015 Wicklow spent 277,000 on its senior teams,

It's no wonder the gap keeps growing how can counties ever catch up, when there is that much inequality.

The GAA needs have a serious look at its allocation of funding and also providing weaker counties with additional funding to help bridge the gap, which is ruining the game both nationally, as the championship is almost predictable at this stage but also within the county as more and more kids loose interest due to poor structure, treatment or because let's face it children will go where they will be successful.

This is not a hate against the dubs post, it was just to show the inequality in funds available to counties.

WW9 (Wicklow) - Posts: 109 - 18/07/2017 23:34:06    2019012

Dublin GAA are more or less run as a professional outfit now and the reality is the rest don't really stand a chance. Dublin fans, Croke Park and media may all be wallowing at this but Gaelic football in the rest of the country is suffering as a consequence.
However those currently running the Association are doing so on a commercial basis and Dublin means dollar signs. The bigger picture doesn't really concern them. As long as the cash cow delivers then the rest can go and whistle Dixie.
I believe that people outside Dublin will eventually grow bored of the annual blue coronation and vote with their feet.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9697 - 19/07/2017 00:11:33    2019022

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 19/07/2017 07:45:17    2019044

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 19/07/2017 08:57:45    2019065

Don't we normally do this after we've won in September , this isn't a topic for the summer think of the children

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 19/07/2017 09:10:37    2019074

Rohanhorsemaste (Tipperary) - Posts: 26 - 19/07/2017 09:12:07    2019075

Yeah I seen the figures, they are quite frankly emberassing and damning on the gaa.

But the problems with these arguments is that they turn into anti dub threads which they shouldn't be.

This isn't a dublin issue, this is a gaa issue and it's a disgrace. Dublin aren't demanding these funds ahead of everyone else. They are being given them and absolutely making the very best of every penny and advantage they are given. Best of luck to them I would expect my own county to do the exact same in the same circumstances.

But something has to give, the population arguments is a completely moot point, just looking alone at the figures backs that up.

The problem you have now is how do you scale it back? Can you scale it back? how do others catch up?

And the biggest question of all, do HQ even care?

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1328 - 19/07/2017 09:48:12    2019098

Yeah I seen the figures, they are quite frankly emberassing and damning on the gaa.

But the problems with these arguments is that they turn into anti dub threads which they shouldn't be.

This isn't a dublin issue, this is a gaa issue and it's a disgrace. Dublin aren't demanding these funds ahead of everyone else. They are being given them and absolutely making the very best of every penny and advantage they are given. Best of luck to them I would expect my own county to do the exact same in the same circumstances.

But something has to give, the population arguments is a completely moot point, just looking alone at the figures backs that up.

The problem you have now is how do you scale it back? Can you scale it back? how do others catch up?

And the biggest question of all, do HQ even care?

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1328 - 19/07/2017 09:49:10    2019099

The only reason Mayo, Kerry, Tyrone are able to compete is big financial backers and a very intensive local funding plan. Kerry Group pump alot of money into Kerry GAA, Mayo have a number of private financial donars and Elverys. Roscommon have had Ballymore Properties pumping money into them (not sure if that is still the case).

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11227 - 19/07/2017 10:10:53    2019108

I've no problem with development money going to Dublin. 14% doesn't seem unfair particularly when you consider the population in the county. GAA has less of a stranglehold on the game in Dublin and there are proportionally less playing GAA in Dublin but even taking that into 14% isn't outrageous.

It only becomes an issue because of the way our top game is organised and you've 1 team with such a huge population advantage.

Still the GAA has a requirement to fund the grassroots and Dublin has a larger base and really just has to get more development funding.

The GAA has announced it is committing more development money on East coast counties that are seeing population growth. Wicklow, Kildare, Meath, Louth, Wexford and Belfast city are all specifically stated to benefit.

I wouldn't be against a cap on what can be spent by county teams.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4210 - 19/07/2017 10:12:52    2019109

last year they recived 1.46 million, 14% of gaa development fund

WW9 (Wicklow) - Posts:54 - 18/07/2017

14% of the funding for a county with roughly 18% of the island's population doesn't seem too far wrong to me to be honest.

Development money goes on promoting the games amongst kids and any money received last year would have absolutely nothing to do with a current senior county team.

Not sure on the 2016 census figures but working off the 2011 one there was just under 1 million people aged 14 or under in Ireland, of these 25% lived in Dublin - that's a quarter of your prime target for development funding living in the one county.

The figures for the 6 counties will skew that a bit but I'd be very surprised if they brought the average down by 11% to 14% for Dublin.

If you want to argue about sponsorship then that's a completely different argument, but should Dublin receive more money than the rest in development grants? Definitely.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 19/07/2017 10:32:08    2019121

You don't need to rely on Facebook for this information when you can get it all from the horse's mouth and study it yourself. There's no big secret as it's all published information. http://www.gaa.ie/mm/Document/GaaIe/GAANews/13/56/51/GAAAnnualreportandaccounts2016_English.pdf. Go to page 150 for the relevant information. If I copy and paste here it'll appear as a total mess but here's the top and bottom 5 for 2016 excluding international units.
TOP
Cork - €2.6m
Dublin - €2.2m
Tipp - €1.1m
Mayo - €0.99m
Laois - €0.97m
BOTTOM
Leitrim - €0.39m
Louth - €0.39m
Longford - €0.40m
Fermanagh - €0.41m
Cavan - €0.42m
Down - €0.43m

Sorry to be the boring one here but it's never simplistic. Cork (pop. 520,00) received €5 per person, Dublin €1.70 and Lovely Leitrim got a whopping €12. Per person probably isn't an accurate way of doing so if someone has GAA member numbers in each county then fire them in. Though you can argue you are trying to develop the games among the non GAA people. Be wary of one off projects which can skew figures such as PuC in Cork although sometimes capital funding such as PuC is accounted for differently

Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 19/07/2017 10:36:05    2019122

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 19/07/2017 10:41:03    2019126

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 19/07/2017 10:43:07    2019129

I hope this topic does not turn into a mess like it always does.
Dublin's population to funding looks fine numbers wise. also Dublin have used the money very effectively, they go the right people in place and used every cent the right way.
However I feel the GAA should off capped their funding years ago when they realised that Dublin were getting stronger and stronger. They should of taken into account that Dublin get massive sponsorship from global companies. It didn't take a genius to work out Dublin with their very efficient use of funds and large population were going to become the best. Why didn't the Gaa sit down, take half of Dublin's funding and pump it into counties who are struggling badly. I don't think it would of affected Dublin too much.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 19/07/2017 10:57:47    2019143

I have a question. If you take out the 1.4/5M€ Dublin get and divide it as you want, what changes???

Leitrim and Wicklow etc were always 'weak' and always will be. You think ploughing money into them will change that??

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 19/07/2017 11:12:23    2019153

I think there is far to much made of the fundings. Id like to see the breakdown of it, I'd imagine quite a bit is spent on the club school links, they can be quite expensive depending on how many schools you cover and how many coaches you use. I would imagine that account for a considerable amount of the Dublin funding.

This boils down to priorities of county boards, div 4 teams spending vast sums of money bringing in senior team coaches that might be better spent on an extra coach or two for development squads. Or upskilling all your club coaches to the highest level. But that is not something that gives immediate results so it ends up not getting done, bad admin is the main reason many counties are lagging so far behind historical neglect, my own county and some neighboring counties have been guilty of this for years although I'd like to think we are on a better road now with a little more vision to the future. Clubs are similar, getting big expensive lights which you will never really get value for instead of building an indoor facility that you can use for all your teams from under 6 up, most will go with the lights as it is more senior oriented.

Just some of my thoughts on it

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1592 - 19/07/2017 11:19:24    2019158

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