On the back of the Pete McGrath debacle wonder how lads feel out there about the issue of player power,
Many counties have had their issues , the question Id raise is it good for the game , have counties become better teams on the back of auld up rise or has it had the opposite effect .
For me I will put my cards on the table I'm not for it , players should play , coaches should coach and refs should ref all with clear equal demarcation lines.

Its a topic that can divide within a county so play nice if posting

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 18/07/2017 10:57:00    2018527

If a manager is there 3 years and the players are not responding anymore then I don't see it being a big issue. A manager should be able to admit things have gone stale as they certainly did in Fermanagh this year. I never see the point in managers coming out and saying they thought things are grand, they simply couldn't be. Just like in soccer and every other sport, managers are changing far more frequently than in the past, that is just modern life.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7893 - 18/07/2017 11:26:09    2018543

I don't believe it is a good idea. It has to be taken into account how the players feel about the manager but they should not be able to appoint/sack a manager. On the flip side of the Fermanagh heave, last year Michael Murphy and Ryan McHugh came out in favour of Rory Gallagher getting an extra 3 years, even though most supporters felt his time was up.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1874 - 18/07/2017 11:47:00    2018554

I think players should have a big say, they are tye ones giving up their lives to play intercounty. The manager and selectors can still go out for a pint at whenever they want.
If I was putting that much effort in to play senior hurling/football I'd want to be behind my manager 100%.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1909 - 18/07/2017 13:22:08    2018613

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 18/07/2017 13:22:35    2018614

In my own county you can see both sides of the coin , in football under Gavin no one would dare utter a disrespectful word and equally players would run through a brick wall for the man.
In the hurling under the wrong man we have all seen the carnage .
Players are entitled to their say not because they have to give up drink or put hard nights training sure a lot of top class club players do that , they are entitled to be respected and county board needs to hear grievance's.
However a tail should never wag a dog , There has to be clear boundaries, players are by and large young men who in a sporting context need to be lead.
I read sporting biographies all the time from various codes etc reminded of a quote from Ian Bowyer on B Clough Id go to war and do anything for that man , away from football I wouldn't be interested in having a drink with him.

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 18/07/2017 15:28:27    2018715

Unless the boss is an out and out twat, he should be in charge. If things aren't working out, he'll be sacked. Maybe its because I'm from a different era but I'm trying to imagine player powering Kevin Heffernan or Sean Boylan, bahaha good luck with that :D

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8592 - 18/07/2017 15:55:47    2018747

They way i would see it is as follows. The longer players should know. they should know if training selection and preparation is right or wrong. Take my county footballers. We are decending into shambollic levels. We are all set up for a hiding from mayo. It is a management issue. Players from recent u 21 success not being brought through. Thats a management issue. Tactic are a disgrace thats a management issue. incorrect starting 15 is a management issue. The experienced players should know this and should be able to rise up against this. If a manager cant get his team to buy into his plan 100% then he is not the man for the job and in the same breath if he cant devise a plan that works then he is not the man for the job. Some years back cork gave kerry a tonking in an u21 final. This year 8 of those u21 lined out for the kerry while only 3 lined out for cork. We need a rebellion in cork football fast

ritchie (Cork) - Posts: 346 - 18/07/2017 16:54:17    2018796

People mentioning the Galway hurlers as a point of reference. This is the first time they have looked like real contenders with a seriously physical team. Would they be where they are with Cunningham in charge? Not a hope.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7893 - 18/07/2017 16:55:45    2018797

And yes I know they got to a final under Cunningham but I never expected them to win, even the first day out v Kilkenny.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7893 - 18/07/2017 17:13:28    2018809

Situations are rarely 'black or white'. It seems that some Fermanagh players were very unhappy that a few of their colleagues were not conforming to whatever general rules the team and management had agreed on, and that they were being allowed to 'get away with it'. If that was happening it would seriously undermine morale in the camp, particularly when they were not winning and could lead dedicated players to consider walking away. I have no idea what those players were supposed to be 'getting away with'. On another HS thread I see a Cavan poster claiming that some Fermanagh players were necking pints of Guinness (in another county) two weeks before a c'ship game.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 18/07/2017 17:37:36    2018821

How about changing this thread to county board power. Same boys at the same craic year after year. Should players not have an input into management selection. What makes a county board more of an expert on management selection?

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 18/07/2017 17:46:37    2018824

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 18/07/2017 18:19:42    2018841

Pete very badly treated by the players. He was unlucky this year with injuries and players abroad. His record entitled him to another year. Good luck to the new manager - he'll need it. I'm told the players already have him lined up!!!!

Molaise (Fermanagh) - Posts: 96 - 18/07/2017 18:28:07    2018844

If a manager thinks a player isn't up to scratch, he can drop him and everybody will say that's fair.
If a player thinks the manager isn't up to scratch, that's just his own opinion and most people will think that's fair.
If the entire playing squad (or most of it) thinks the manager isn't up to scratch then I can't really see how he can stay.

To be honest I don't understand why a manager would want to cling on in circumstances when the sole group of people you're responsible for don't think you should be doing the job.

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1643 - 18/07/2017 18:43:53    2018855

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 18/07/2017 18:47:38    2018857

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 18/07/2017 20:22:42    2018910

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 18/07/2017 20:25:31    2018912

Player Power? They'll tell us what they want.....what they really, really want.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9702 - 18/07/2017 20:49:35    2018926

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 18/07/2017 22:35:39    2018979