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the last 14 remaining in football championship are made up of 8 Div1, 4 Div 2, 1 Div 3 and 1 Div 4.
The luck of the draw aside I think this says that the B championship is a non starter
we have Monaghan at home. Our biggest game in decades, the ground will be packed and we will at least give the Carney men a good shaking. Nothing can replace this, and every lower ranked team can achieve this type of summer. Our run has had a huge impact in Charlie and although the upper echelons of the GAA family may not get it, this is big for us and raises hope for the future. So no B championship
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Replying To Blackbog: "the last 14 remaining in football championship are made up of 8 Div1, 4 Div 2, 1 Div 3 and 1 Div 4.
The luck of the draw aside I think this says that the B championship is a non starter
we have Monaghan at home. Our biggest game in decades, the ground will be packed and we will at least give the Carney men a good shaking. Nothing can replace this, and every lower ranked team can achieve this type of summer. Our run has had a huge impact in Charlie and although the upper echelons of the GAA family may not get it, this is big for us and raises hope for the future. So no B championship" Cavan are gone only 7 D1 teams
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Why say last 14!! Should be last 16 or else wait until last 12 when A and B of qualifiers are at same stage. Can really say no need for B championship when team got one luck draw from the hat
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Replying To Cuckoosinging: "Cavan are gone only 7 D1 teams" Think he means on next years league.
Yea like congrats to Carlow and great stuff and great to see and all but they've been blessed with the draw and Monaghan will beat them this weekend.
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There's no such thing as the last 14, you haven't reached further than other teams in qualifier round 3 just because your game throws in later than theirs. It sounds like that joke of the manager saying "the longer we stay in this dressing room, the longer we stay in the championship!".
On top of that, I doubt any team will ever get a draw as lucky as London+Leitrim in the qualifiers ever again. As usual the 99% of games are ignored and one game selectively chosen in order to prove a point. There's a 99% chance that next year Carlow will lose their first round in Leinster, then lose their first qualifier too.
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Replying To Blackbog: "the last 14 remaining in football championship are made up of 8 Div1, 4 Div 2, 1 Div 3 and 1 Div 4.
The luck of the draw aside I think this says that the B championship is a non starter
we have Monaghan at home. Our biggest game in decades, the ground will be packed and we will at least give the Carney men a good shaking. Nothing can replace this, and every lower ranked team can achieve this type of summer. Our run has had a huge impact in Charlie and although the upper echelons of the GAA family may not get it, this is big for us and raises hope for the future. So no B championship" The Farney men.
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Replying To CastleBravo: "There's no such thing as the last 14, you haven't reached further than other teams in qualifier round 3 just because your game throws in later than theirs. It sounds like that joke of the manager saying "the longer we stay in this dressing room, the longer we stay in the championship!".
On top of that, I doubt any team will ever get a draw as lucky as London+Leitrim in the qualifiers ever again. As usual the 99% of games are ignored and one game selectively chosen in order to prove a point. There's a 99% chance that next year Carlow will lose their first round in Leinster, then lose their first qualifier too." 'There's a 99% chance that next year Carlow will lose their first round in Leinster, then lose their first qualifier too.
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The odds are far less than 99%. They win their first round every 7 years or so that's a 15% chance of a win in Leinster and about the same for their first round qualifier so a 70% chance they'll be knocked out in the first round of both. Hyperbole.
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And go easy on Martin Carney, he's not that bad :D
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I'd like to throw in a link to a Carlow song about their Leinster Final victory over Dublin in 1944. Carlow had a fine team. Lost the all ire semi to Kerry by 2 pts. Kerry 3-3 Carlow 10pts. Richie sings it well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq8UovO_mBQ
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Delighted to see our neighbours playing in mid July. We'd have a rivalry but when either Laois or Carlow are knocked out of the championship most would support the other.
Great boost for Carlow and all gaa people in the county. Carlow's profile is rising, another Christy Ring for their hurlers who are making constant progress and an all-ireland camogie title last year.
The gaa is not all about the big boys, we need the Carlows, Laois, Fermanaghs, Longfords etc to have their big days out too.
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Replying To Blackbog: "the last 14 remaining in football championship are made up of 8 Div1, 4 Div 2, 1 Div 3 and 1 Div 4.
The luck of the draw aside I think this says that the B championship is a non starter
we have Monaghan at home. Our biggest game in decades, the ground will be packed and we will at least give the Carney men a good shaking. Nothing can replace this, and every lower ranked team can achieve this type of summer. Our run has had a huge impact in Charlie and although the upper echelons of the GAA family may not get it, this is big for us and raises hope for the future. So no B championship" Monaghan are not invincible. They have a chequered history in the qualifiers. If they can lose to Longford.....
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Replying To CastleBravo: "There's no such thing as the last 14, you haven't reached further than other teams in qualifier round 3 just because your game throws in later than theirs. It sounds like that joke of the manager saying "the longer we stay in this dressing room, the longer we stay in the championship!".
On top of that, I doubt any team will ever get a draw as lucky as London+Leitrim in the qualifiers ever again. As usual the 99% of games are ignored and one game selectively chosen in order to prove a point. There's a 99% chance that next year Carlow will lose their first round in Leinster, then lose their first qualifier too." The 1% being if they draw Meath I presume....
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Replying To realdub: "And go easy on Martin Carney, he's not that bad :D" and go easy on the Charlie too
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to be fair Carlow's best victory this year was probably in the first round of Leinster against Wexford. They didn't get hammered by Dublin and in other years may have succumbed to either London or Leitrim. They are coming from a very low starting position so they definitely are improving.
Kerry,Roscommon already through to all-Ireland QF
Dublin,Kildare,Tyrone,Down,Galway,Cork,Mayo,Donegal through to last 12 (at least)
Carlow,Monaghan,Tipp,Armagh in last 16 (at least)
Kerry have beaten Clare and Cork
Roscommon have beaten Leitrim and Galway.
Dublin have beaten Carlow and Westmeath
Kildare have beaten Laois and Meath
Tyrone have beaten Derry and Donegal
Galway have beaten Mayo
Cork have beaten Waterford and Tipp
Mayo have beaten Sligo,Derry and Clare
Donegal have beaten Antrim,Longford and Meath
Carlow have beaten Wexford,London and Leitrim
Monaghan have beaten Fermanagh,Cavan,Wexford
Tipp beat Cavan
Armagh beat Fermanagh and Westmeath
strange that Galway have arrived in the last 12 having only won one game.
Tipp have progressed to the same stage as Monaghan having won only one game while Monaghan have won 3.
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Replying To s goldrick: "to be fair Carlow's best victory this year was probably in the first round of Leinster against Wexford. They didn't get hammered by Dublin and in other years may have succumbed to either London or Leitrim. They are coming from a very low starting position so they definitely are improving.
Kerry,Roscommon already through to all-Ireland QF
Dublin,Kildare,Tyrone,Down,Galway,Cork,Mayo,Donegal through to last 12 (at least)
Carlow,Monaghan,Tipp,Armagh in last 16 (at least)
Kerry have beaten Clare and Cork
Roscommon have beaten Leitrim and Galway.
Dublin have beaten Carlow and Westmeath
Kildare have beaten Laois and Meath
Tyrone have beaten Derry and Donegal
Galway have beaten Mayo
Cork have beaten Waterford and Tipp
Mayo have beaten Sligo,Derry and Clare
Donegal have beaten Antrim,Longford and Meath
Carlow have beaten Wexford,London and Leitrim
Monaghan have beaten Fermanagh,Cavan,Wexford
Tipp beat Cavan
Armagh beat Fermanagh and Westmeath
strange that Galway have arrived in the last 12 having only won one game.
Tipp have progressed to the same stage as Monaghan having won only one game while Monaghan have won 3." Jaysus that there is a big flaw in our championship that hasn't been highlighted before.
Has it ever being said about restructuring it?
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Replying To CastleBravo: "There's no such thing as the last 14, you haven't reached further than other teams in qualifier round 3 just because your game throws in later than theirs. It sounds like that joke of the manager saying "the longer we stay in this dressing room, the longer we stay in the championship!".
On top of that, I doubt any team will ever get a draw as lucky as London+Leitrim in the qualifiers ever again. As usual the 99% of games are ignored and one game selectively chosen in order to prove a point. There's a 99% chance that next year Carlow will lose their first round in Leinster, then lose their first qualifier too." Can a man not revel in his glory without being knocked back down. So what if the draw was kind. What the Carlow man is celebrating is the run and experience of the sequence of games. It's great time to see Carlow there longer than Wexford or Meath or teams that would generally experience more than 2 games. No B championship game would replace a home game packed to the rafters against a team with notions about themselves and trotting about the field with their huge guns. They can live the dream and things can happen. Up Carlow.
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Replying To s goldrick: "to be fair Carlow's best victory this year was probably in the first round of Leinster against Wexford. They didn't get hammered by Dublin and in other years may have succumbed to either London or Leitrim. They are coming from a very low starting position so they definitely are improving.
Kerry,Roscommon already through to all-Ireland QF
Dublin,Kildare,Tyrone,Down,Galway,Cork,Mayo,Donegal through to last 12 (at least)
Carlow,Monaghan,Tipp,Armagh in last 16 (at least)
Kerry have beaten Clare and Cork
Roscommon have beaten Leitrim and Galway.
Dublin have beaten Carlow and Westmeath
Kildare have beaten Laois and Meath
Tyrone have beaten Derry and Donegal
Galway have beaten Mayo
Cork have beaten Waterford and Tipp
Mayo have beaten Sligo,Derry and Clare
Donegal have beaten Antrim,Longford and Meath
Carlow have beaten Wexford,London and Leitrim
Monaghan have beaten Fermanagh,Cavan,Wexford
Tipp beat Cavan
Armagh beat Fermanagh and Westmeath
strange that Galway have arrived in the last 12 having only won one game.
Tipp have progressed to the same stage as Monaghan having won only one game while Monaghan have won 3." Galway may have reached it by winning one game but that game was against Mayo. Cavan could have reached it by beating flipping Offaly and and depleted and injury hit Tipp only they bottled it. I know which is the easier route to last 12 and it wasnt facing Mayo
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Teams like Tipp, Clare and Carlow (this year) aren't getting the credit they deserve. The tradionilists still turn their nose up at their progress. In Declan Browne's era we couldn't win a game in the league or championship. Yet for the second year in a row we are still in the cship later than previous powerhouses such as Derry and Meath. Carlow football must also be on a real high this year.
Carlow have had a fantastic year this year and deserve credit for it.
A B Cship makes sense though in so many ways but does that rule out the chance of what we seen last Sunday with Roscommon winning a cup of huge importance to them or Down having belief they can win silverware? Likewise in Munster Tipp might feel they have some chance of eventually winning a Munster title but know there's no chance of All Ireland honours.
I think you'd end up with a scenario where you'd have teams 10/12th in the pecking order with no chance of winning anything where in the provincial set up they'd have some chance of winning silverware...
Having said that you can't please everyone
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Replying To KK1926: "Monaghan are not invincible. They have a chequered history in the qualifiers. If they can lose to Longford....." If they can lose to Longford?? Most teams in the qualifiers wouldn't be overly confident of drawing Longford. We bet Monaghan on pure merit last year, as well as Down the same year and Derry the year before. Threw it away against Donegal this year too. People need to stop belittling the smaller counties, long runs for them are what makes an otherwise monotonous championship worth following. We should be promoting these teams Longfords, Carlows, Tipp, Clare etc with coverage of games and the top talent that these otherwise forgotten counties possess.
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Replying To LongfordSham: "If they can lose to Longford?? Most teams in the qualifiers wouldn't be overly confident of drawing Longford. We bet Monaghan on pure merit last year, as well as Down the same year and Derry the year before. Threw it away against Donegal this year too. People need to stop belittling the smaller counties, long runs for them are what makes an otherwise monotonous championship worth following. We should be promoting these teams Longfords, Carlows, Tipp, Clare etc with coverage of games and the top talent that these otherwise forgotten counties possess." Longford are a relative success story of the qualifiers. They've had a few notable victories in the backdoor. They've had little success in the Leinster championship of late, even against teams you'd fancy them to beat. It's good their support has something to cheer about that wouldn't have been provided otherwise.
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