In my job in the past few months I have came across a few Clare people, all of which said "Davy will be grand until you all fall out with him", "most in Clare cant stand him, etc, etc". I politely nodded and moved the conversation on. I didn't say it at the time, but I honestly thought "How ungrateful are these people. Here they are, probably having never hurled in their lives or trained any team, slating a man who has been massively involved in 3 of the counties 4 All-Irelands, absolutely slating the man?" If Wexford lose on Sunday, the conversation in the pub will be "He was brutal, this lad gave a bad pass and it ended up in the net, etc, etc". Now I never hurled anything above junior level, and am generally very slow to criticise players who sacrifice so much to give the people of their county days like Sunday will be for Wexford, win lose or draw where else would we want to be hitting on Sunday morning other than the N11?
Has it always been the culture in GAA to turn on our own, criticise our own, or is this a new phenomenon where nobody respects the volunteer and just criticises and complains about everything amateur players, officials, etc, do in spite of never having reached any sort of level in life or sport themselves?
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Replying To Pinkie: "In my job in the past few months I have came across a few Clare people, all of which said "Davy will be grand until you all fall out with him", "most in Clare cant stand him, etc, etc". I politely nodded and moved the conversation on. I didn't say it at the time, but I honestly thought "How ungrateful are these people. Here they are, probably having never hurled in their lives or trained any team, slating a man who has been massively involved in 3 of the counties 4 All-Irelands, absolutely slating the man?" If Wexford lose on Sunday, the conversation in the pub will be "He was brutal, this lad gave a bad pass and it ended up in the net, etc, etc". Now I never hurled anything above junior level, and am generally very slow to criticise players who sacrifice so much to give the people of their county days like Sunday will be for Wexford, win lose or draw where else would we want to be hitting on Sunday morning other than the N11?
Has it always been the culture in GAA to turn on our own, criticise our own, or is this a new phenomenon where nobody respects the volunteer and just criticises and complains about everything amateur players, officials, etc, do in spite of never having reached any sort of level in life or sport themselves?" Think it is just the Irish culture tbh. Everyone loves to give out as it is generally more controversial(which in turn makes it entertaining) than praise.
Frederick (Louth) - Posts: 479 - 28/06/2017 13:17:17
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Replying To Pinkie: "In my job in the past few months I have came across a few Clare people, all of which said "Davy will be grand until you all fall out with him", "most in Clare cant stand him, etc, etc". I politely nodded and moved the conversation on. I didn't say it at the time, but I honestly thought "How ungrateful are these people. Here they are, probably having never hurled in their lives or trained any team, slating a man who has been massively involved in 3 of the counties 4 All-Irelands, absolutely slating the man?" If Wexford lose on Sunday, the conversation in the pub will be "He was brutal, this lad gave a bad pass and it ended up in the net, etc, etc". Now I never hurled anything above junior level, and am generally very slow to criticise players who sacrifice so much to give the people of their county days like Sunday will be for Wexford, win lose or draw where else would we want to be hitting on Sunday morning other than the N11?
Has it always been the culture in GAA to turn on our own, criticise our own, or is this a new phenomenon where nobody respects the volunteer and just criticises and complains about everything amateur players, officials, etc, do in spite of never having reached any sort of level in life or sport themselves?" It's in the Irish culture. We are the first to jump on any bandwagon and the quickest to jump off and turn on people - not confined to the GAA or Sport. The English soccer fans have a name for it but us Irish are 100 times worse.
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 28/06/2017 13:20:31
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During Davy's reign Clare had their second most successful spell ever winning a League Title and an All-Ireland.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13692 - 28/06/2017 13:40:23
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Perhaps there is a logical reason why its not open although with it open last Sunday for a smaller crowd it looks like the Dubs have been favoured.
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Just ignorance Pinkie. I remember a game about 12 years ago that Tipp lost. John Carroll and Lar Corbett were barely past fit to play and I overheard other Tipp fans slating their performances leaving the ground.
Same with Bonnar in the 2014 replay. Joyce took all the plaudits for the job he did on Bonnar but Bonnar hardly trained between the two finals.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 28/06/2017 13:44:56
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Replying To Pinkie: "In my job in the past few months I have came across a few Clare people, all of which said "Davy will be grand until you all fall out with him", "most in Clare cant stand him, etc, etc". I politely nodded and moved the conversation on. I didn't say it at the time, but I honestly thought "How ungrateful are these people. Here they are, probably having never hurled in their lives or trained any team, slating a man who has been massively involved in 3 of the counties 4 All-Irelands, absolutely slating the man?" If Wexford lose on Sunday, the conversation in the pub will be "He was brutal, this lad gave a bad pass and it ended up in the net, etc, etc". Now I never hurled anything above junior level, and am generally very slow to criticise players who sacrifice so much to give the people of their county days like Sunday will be for Wexford, win lose or draw where else would we want to be hitting on Sunday morning other than the N11?
Has it always been the culture in GAA to turn on our own, criticise our own, or is this a new phenomenon where nobody respects the volunteer and just criticises and complains about everything amateur players, officials, etc, do in spite of never having reached any sort of level in life or sport themselves?" It's an Irish trait unfortunate that people love to knock others and would begrudge anyone that is successful.
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As a Tipp man I have to agree with Pinkie Davy is a passionate man hurling needs people like him
tiobraidArann (Tipperary) - Posts: 362 - 28/06/2017 13:52:57
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Replying To Pinkie: "In my job in the past few months I have came across a few Clare people, all of which said "Davy will be grand until you all fall out with him", "most in Clare cant stand him, etc, etc". I politely nodded and moved the conversation on. I didn't say it at the time, but I honestly thought "How ungrateful are these people. Here they are, probably having never hurled in their lives or trained any team, slating a man who has been massively involved in 3 of the counties 4 All-Irelands, absolutely slating the man?" If Wexford lose on Sunday, the conversation in the pub will be "He was brutal, this lad gave a bad pass and it ended up in the net, etc, etc". Now I never hurled anything above junior level, and am generally very slow to criticise players who sacrifice so much to give the people of their county days like Sunday will be for Wexford, win lose or draw where else would we want to be hitting on Sunday morning other than the N11?
Has it always been the culture in GAA to turn on our own, criticise our own, or is this a new phenomenon where nobody respects the volunteer and just criticises and complains about everything amateur players, officials, etc, do in spite of never having reached any sort of level in life or sport themselves?" Very well said and I point I tried to make on our football thread but didn't put it so quite eloquently as you.
It confuses me as sometimes listening to those people you swear the player meant to miss the point or misplace the pass. I don't know if I am more aware of it now or its gotten worse over the years
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training underage teams is the epitome of this. parents who turn up for a match,have a heart attack on the line and then start berating the management when a team loses,etc. i have often told parents to shut the f up it is an u10 match,and stop being so critical of officials,referees,etc.i even reported 1 "supporter" to our committee who told him to shut up or not bother coming to matches,or to take over a team and show us how it is done. thankfully he stopped coming to matches!
perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 28/06/2017 14:28:03
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Well said my friend I'm a big Davy fan even though I got a kick shouting abuse at him in my younger years when I was a Terrace Tinker!!!
You know that any county his managed has ended up in an all Ireland final at some stage so Wexford could be playing in Croker first year in September since 1996 yet!!
WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 28/06/2017 14:47:55
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Replying To Pinkie: "In my job in the past few months I have came across a few Clare people, all of which said "Davy will be grand until you all fall out with him", "most in Clare cant stand him, etc, etc". I politely nodded and moved the conversation on. I didn't say it at the time, but I honestly thought "How ungrateful are these people. Here they are, probably having never hurled in their lives or trained any team, slating a man who has been massively involved in 3 of the counties 4 All-Irelands, absolutely slating the man?" If Wexford lose on Sunday, the conversation in the pub will be "He was brutal, this lad gave a bad pass and it ended up in the net, etc, etc". Now I never hurled anything above junior level, and am generally very slow to criticise players who sacrifice so much to give the people of their county days like Sunday will be for Wexford, win lose or draw where else would we want to be hitting on Sunday morning other than the N11?
Has it always been the culture in GAA to turn on our own, criticise our own, or is this a new phenomenon where nobody respects the volunteer and just criticises and complains about everything amateur players, officials, etc, do in spite of never having reached any sort of level in life or sport themselves?" Good post.
I'd add the criticism of referees to this.
I've a serious amount of respect for anyone who becomes a referee. The games couldn't be played without them. That they still do it despite the amount of dung they take off people, who half the time wouldn't even know the rules, just shows how much referees love the game.
If you've never refereed in my view you have no right to complain about one.
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Definitely true in Cavan. Terry Hyland brought us on leaps and bounds in so many ways yet the begrudgery towards him on the Cavan board from a significant amount of posters is off the scale.
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liam dunne being another perfect example.a legendary player,a manager who throw his lot with the hurlers when nobody else in the country would take the job,yet there are people in wexford who just want to throw anything they can at him.
perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 29/06/2017 10:54:59
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More to do with Fickleness. Its 'yeah ok you won us a few AIs but what have you done for us lately?"...there is that reality that you are only as good as your last game and glories can soon be forgotten.
I remember celebrating after 2015 Dub win over Kerry. A Dub fan was saying that Cluxton is finished and needs to be replaced if Dublin are to win another AI. This was based on a couple of misplaced kick outs (in very poor kick outs). Crazy but some folk are like that.
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It's not a GAA culture it's an Irish culture. Happens with all sports in Ireland.
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Replying To Pinkie: "In my job in the past few months I have came across a few Clare people, all of which said "Davy will be grand until you all fall out with him", "most in Clare cant stand him, etc, etc". I politely nodded and moved the conversation on. I didn't say it at the time, but I honestly thought "How ungrateful are these people. Here they are, probably having never hurled in their lives or trained any team, slating a man who has been massively involved in 3 of the counties 4 All-Irelands, absolutely slating the man?" If Wexford lose on Sunday, the conversation in the pub will be "He was brutal, this lad gave a bad pass and it ended up in the net, etc, etc". Now I never hurled anything above junior level, and am generally very slow to criticise players who sacrifice so much to give the people of their county days like Sunday will be for Wexford, win lose or draw where else would we want to be hitting on Sunday morning other than the N11?
Has it always been the culture in GAA to turn on our own, criticise our own, or is this a new phenomenon where nobody respects the volunteer and just criticises and complains about everything amateur players, officials, etc, do in spite of never having reached any sort of level in life or sport themselves?" I'd agree with your post in general but I'd take out the word volunteer if you're talking about Davy.
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