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Kilkenny embark on the All-Ireland SHC qualifiers on Saturday evening when they welcome 3/1 outsiders Limerick. Could their be a shock on the cards in this one? We'll use this thread to discuss the game at Nowlan Park. Administrator (None) - Posts: 2274 - 27/06/2017 11:10:59 2006214 Link
No more safety nets now and I'd expect this to be a cracking game. Kk of course will be favourites but Limerick will push them all the way and who knows if they can stick with them. catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 27/06/2017 11:53:14 2006234 Link
We have always been able to raise our game against Kilkenny. What we haven't been able to do is finish them off. 2012 was a prime example, just a point down at half time after Henry Shefflin had given an exhibition (Tom Condon had done pretty well on him) and playing with the wind in the second half. TJ Reid came on for the injured Richie Power and next thing we were 12 points down. As long as I'm watching Limerick hurling, we have been able to put it up to them, but beating them is another matter. My first time seeing the teams play was the 1983 NHL Final when again we hit them with everything we had and lost 2-14 to 2-12. Just hoping it all changes on Saturday. They are the kingpins of the game. slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 27/06/2017 12:15:31 2006242 Link
It goes without saying that Kilkenny are favourites for this game. Since the 2014 semi final when we went toe to toe with them in a great match we've declined badly. We were very poor against Clare and got caught badly for 2of their goals. Management have a few big calls to make. If the team that started against Clare were named again, we're finished. But all that said Byrnes and Hegarty should be back, bringing a bit of physicality, changes in the forwards and a full on 70mins of in your face hurling.. Who knows! I expect Kilkenny to win by a few points but I hope we make life as difficult as possible for them. Limerick need a performance. skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1062 - 27/06/2017 13:26:13 2006279 Link
From Tipp perspective if KK come out of a close game still fighting it will smell danger for the rest of us. Unfortunately I've seen nothing to suggest Limerick will win this. I'm hoping they do but I'm not convinced unfortunately and KK could gain a lot of confidence from this and Cody will learn from it should they win. I'd expect to see KK's big players back in their best positions. Walsh at 5, C Buckley at 7 and Fogarty at midfield. KK won't go anywhere putting square pegs in round holes and all the evidence to date suggests the changes have been a disaster. They played poorly against Wexford and yet Wexford didn't give them a hiding in Wexford park. As I said before KK lead the All Ireland last year after 42 mins....they aren't bad! However, if they do lose this it will be a huge blow to KK's team transition and a year lost. Limerick need to show the passion they showed in the rain a couple of years ago...do that and they have a very real chance. But unfortunately they look a team who don't have the confidence to beat anyone the last two seasons. tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 27/06/2017 13:38:11 2006291 Link
If Wexford can do it so can Limerick! keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 27/06/2017 13:38:42 2006292 Link
Replying To keeper7: "If Wexford can do it so can Limerick!" Yeah agree 100% it's far from a foregone conclusion. If Hogan is effectively playing through injury with Mick Fennelly, Aylward and Padraig Walsh nowhere near match fitness either then Kilkenny are extremely vulnerable. From a Limerick point of view, 2014 should give them the motivation required. They really should have been Kilkenny that day and they know it too. Oddly enough they have done very little since that day and that performance. Kilkenny are definitely on the ropes. If they make it to Quarter finals it will be good going by them. That said it is Kilkenny after all and home advantage is huge. This seems to be the only one of the 4 games with a thread started on and rightfully so. I hope Limerick throw caution to the wind and go for it. They always have the talent. The under 21 match last week is a good example of that. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 27/06/2017 14:09:51 2006313 Link
Tipps All-Ireland tiobraidArann (Tipperary) - Posts: 362 - 27/06/2017 14:32:27 2006328 Link
The last few meetings between the teams suggest that while Limerick will battle hard and put it up to Kilkenny, they will come up short. I would love to be proven wrong but I think that deep down, the Limerick players don't believe they can beat the cats. Slayer mentioned the 2012 quarter-final. Everyone expected a ferocious backlash from Kilkenny that day after they were hammered by Galway in the Leinster final but for the first 20 minutes they were very jittery and they made a litany of basic errors that you would normally never see from Kilkenny. It was clear that their confidence had been severely dented by the Galway game and if Limerick had played with real conviction from the start, they would have had the game won by half-time. That game was a glorious opportunity for Limerick and they did not take it because they did not really believe in themselves. I fear it will be the same story this time. Gaillimh_Abu (Galway) - Posts: 996 - 27/06/2017 14:48:01 2006342 Link
Limerick are still in transition since 2014 they would have won all Ireland if they bate KK. Expect Limerick to give them plenty of timber for a few mins but once the game settles and KK start flowing the onslaught will be inevitable. Hope I'm wrong I want to see a good close game but with Limerick when the chips are down they can surprise you out of no where. We know that too well in Tipperary many a time they caught us. You just get a feeling this is the type of game Cody relishes and he rarely let's the opposition get the upper hand in a make or break game for his team. Kilkenny by about 8. WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 27/06/2017 14:48:19 2006343 Link
Replying To Killarney.87: "Yeah agree 100% it's far from a foregone conclusion. If Hogan is effectively playing through injury with Mick Fennelly, Aylward and Padraig Walsh nowhere near match fitness either then Kilkenny are extremely vulnerable. From a Limerick point of view, 2014 should give them the motivation required. They really should have been Kilkenny that day and they know it too. Oddly enough they have done very little since that day and that performance. Kilkenny are definitely on the ropes. If they make it to Quarter finals it will be good going by them. That said it is Kilkenny after all and home advantage is huge. This seems to be the only one of the 4 games with a thread started on and rightfully so. I hope Limerick throw caution to the wind and go for it. They always have the talent. The under 21 match last week is a good example of that." Would you expect all of Tipp, Waterford, Wexford, Clare, Cork and Galway to easily beat KK then? By your estimation we are already KO'd if they are on the ropes. Don't write them off just yet tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 27/06/2017 15:23:37 2006360 Link
Limerick will throw the kitchen sink Kilkenny will absorb it up and then Limerick will concede either a soft goal or a goal against the run of play. Usually how I have seen these games go. Best option for Limerick jettison the players who failed continually for Limerick in their careers and go for broke with some of the u21 players on the squad grellans89 (Galway) - Posts: 257 - 27/06/2017 15:55:10 2006378 Link
Replying To tiobraid: "Would you expect all of Tipp, Waterford, Wexford, Clare, Cork and Galway to easily beat KK then? By your estimation we are already KO'd if they are on the ropes. Don't write them off just yet" I would never dare to underestimate Kilkenny especially with Cody in charge. But the injuries they are carrying is huge. Hogan, Fennelly and Walsh are three of Kilkenny's most important players. Aylward is another good player too. You can't expect Reid, Buckley and the two Murphys to do it all on their own. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 27/06/2017 17:48:46 2006433 Link
Replying To Killarney.87: "I would never dare to underestimate Kilkenny especially with Cody in charge. But the injuries they are carrying is huge. Hogan, Fennelly and Walsh are three of Kilkenny's most important players. Aylward is another good player too. You can't expect Reid, Buckley and the two Murphys to do it all on their own." I take your point but do you remember the performance they came up with in Thurles only a few months ago and they were under strength then. Going to Wexford park was always going to be a difficult test. If they beat Limerick then we won't know where they are until they play Tipp or Waterford. I still see them in a semi final at the least to be honest if Cody stops shuffling lads all over the place tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 28/06/2017 08:40:48 2006648 Link
Jayus we might as well give a walkover to Kilkenny the way pundits & people in general are talking.really looking forward to sat.think we have a great chance if we tighten up at the back.wat a great challenge for our young lads.its the ultimate test hitmanhart (Limerick) - Posts: 496 - 30/06/2017 14:38:48 2007985 Link
Replying To hitmanhart: "Jayus we might as well give a walkover to Kilkenny the way pundits & people in general are talking.really looking forward to sat.think we have a great chance if we tighten up at the back.wat a great challenge for our young lads.its the ultimate test" Best of luck pal, I'd love to see you do it. MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 30/06/2017 15:06:56 2008003 Link
While it's difficult to contemplate Kilkenny losing a championship match in Nowlan Park, they are vulnerable right now. Limerick need to really go for it without any fear. keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 30/06/2017 15:08:41 2008004 Link
I think Limerick have a chance here...in fairness none of their establishe forwards (Graham Mulcahy among others) never got going or into the game against Clare)...Kilkenny will be expected to bounce back but I wouldn't write of Limerick...if they get it together they are good on their day and might have the legs on Kilkenny if its a close game... Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 30/06/2017 16:30:22 2008045 Link
C'mon Limerick, hope ye win and do justice for the county suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1669 - 30/06/2017 16:37:17 2008048 Link
Absolutely nothing to lose. If they hurl with passion, win or lose we will be happy with that & allow the Manager to build for next year. But what a win would do for us. slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 30/06/2017 16:52:48 2008059 Link