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Kilkenny 10/1 to win All-Ireland!

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10/1! I was wondering, when was the last time Kilkenny were double figures to win a Hurling AI. I'd say at least twenty years, probably more.

There are good reasons for these odds - a loss of high class players over the last few years, a mediocre league campaign and getting well beat by Wexford over two games in two months. The first loss was not unusual for a Cody team, especially in the League. But to lose the second game in such a fashion (ignore the score) was very revealing. By the way, I'm taking nothing away from Wexford; they're a breath of fresh air this year, great to see them back competing with the best.

All that said (ever the optimist). Kilkenny have played their 'bad' games early on; they can only improve. While the draw could have an effect in the Qualifier rounds, I don't think it will have much bearing on Kilkenny and the Munster teams. It's dog eat dog now.

With all this in mind, and after making a good profit on the first day at Royal Ascot; I've invested £10 each way on Kilkenny winning the AI (third of the odds for finishing runners-up).

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2460 - 20/06/2017 18:50:44    2002715

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "10/1! I was wondering, when was the last time Kilkenny were double figures to win a Hurling AI. I'd say at least twenty years, probably more.

There are good reasons for these odds - a loss of high class players over the last few years, a mediocre league campaign and getting well beat by Wexford over two games in two months. The first loss was not unusual for a Cody team, especially in the League. But to lose the second game in such a fashion (ignore the score) was very revealing. By the way, I'm taking nothing away from Wexford; they're a breath of fresh air this year, great to see them back competing with the best.

All that said (ever the optimist). Kilkenny have played their 'bad' games early on; they can only improve. While the draw could have an effect in the Qualifier rounds, I don't think it will have much bearing on Kilkenny and the Munster teams. It's dog eat dog now.

With all this in mind, and after making a good profit on the first day at Royal Ascot; I've invested £10 each way on Kilkenny winning the AI (third of the odds for finishing runners-up)."
Well, no offence to Kilkenny people, but obviously I'd rather you didn't win it! That said, has to be worth a tenner (and to be fair, probably more than that) of anyone's money.

MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 20/06/2017 19:12:25    2002728

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10/1 about right though
Not good enough atall this year
Wouldnt back them atall

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 20/06/2017 19:28:34    2002735

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Replying To Liamwalkinstown:  "10/1 about right though
Not good enough atall this year
Wouldnt back them atall"
Who would you back Liam?

MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 20/06/2017 19:34:46    2002736

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Kilkenny have a better chance of winning the football championship.!

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2162 - 20/06/2017 20:12:45    2002756

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Replying To endgame:  "Kilkenny have a better chance of winning the football championship.!"
I'll have some of what you're smoking my friend :)

MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 20/06/2017 20:25:00    2002763

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Replying To endgame:  "Kilkenny have a better chance of winning the football championship.!"
You could be right. Kilkenny footballers have already reached the semi-finals.

http://www.britain.gaa.ie/football

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2460 - 20/06/2017 20:38:32    2002768

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Its funny the way lads judge teams after loosing a game. Tipp win a few league game had lads on here saying they are unstoppable and it was only April. Now KK are finished but yet if KK draw Tipp or Waterford and win that they will be back in to second favourites for the all Ireland at about 3 or 4/1. Look back at history KK are never finished.
Who will win the all Ireland this year ?Galway or KK.

therealtmo (Tipperary) - Posts: 1292 - 20/06/2017 20:45:20    2002777

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "You could be right. Kilkenny footballers have already reached the semi-finals.

See" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.britain.gaa.ie/football"
See what you did there! That'd be like me boasting Gillingham had won the cup if we managed to lift the Autoglass Shield (or whatever they're calling it these days)!

MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 20/06/2017 20:48:24    2002780

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Replying To therealtmo:  "Its funny the way lads judge teams after loosing a game. Tipp win a few league game had lads on here saying they are unstoppable and it was only April. Now KK are finished but yet if KK draw Tipp or Waterford and win that they will be back in to second favourites for the all Ireland at about 3 or 4/1. Look back at history KK are never finished.
Who will win the all Ireland this year ?Galway or KK."
You were doing well until you ruled yourselves out there :)

MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 20/06/2017 20:55:44    2002788

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Good value at 10/1, I'll have some of that.

Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 20/06/2017 21:10:13    2002803

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Kilkenny can draw either: Tipp/Waterford/Limerick or winners of Carlow/Laois.

If it's Carlow/Laois or Limerick they will definitely be through to next round. 10/1 are serious odds, as they could massively go down Monday depending on the draw.

The Real 1944 (Carlow) - Posts: 1114 - 20/06/2017 21:32:55    2002819

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Fennelly looks crocked. Walsh and Aylward can't be anywhere near full throttle if the Wexford game is anything to go on and word has it that Richie Hogan's back has flared up again. Cody doesn't seem to trust the younger lads and in fairness to him you usually have to do your time and only breakthrough at 22 or 23.

So effectively you are left with TJ almost on his own with support from Buckley and the Murphys.

If Kilkenny win the all Ireland from here it will be Cody's greatest achievement. That said I wouldn't bet against them.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 20/06/2017 21:46:18    2002825

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Replying To MedwayIrish:  "You were doing well until you ruled yourselves out there :)"
Tipp don't do back to back. Our race is ran.

therealtmo (Tipperary) - Posts: 1292 - 20/06/2017 21:53:02    2002832

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "10/1! I was wondering, when was the last time Kilkenny were double figures to win a Hurling AI. I'd say at least twenty years, probably more.

There are good reasons for these odds - a loss of high class players over the last few years, a mediocre league campaign and getting well beat by Wexford over two games in two months. The first loss was not unusual for a Cody team, especially in the League. But to lose the second game in such a fashion (ignore the score) was very revealing. By the way, I'm taking nothing away from Wexford; they're a breath of fresh air this year, great to see them back competing with the best.

All that said (ever the optimist). Kilkenny have played their 'bad' games early on; they can only improve. While the draw could have an effect in the Qualifier rounds, I don't think it will have much bearing on Kilkenny and the Munster teams. It's dog eat dog now.

With all this in mind, and after making a good profit on the first day at Royal Ascot; I've invested £10 each way on Kilkenny winning the AI (third of the odds for finishing runners-up)."
Don't know if it's good value or a death trap.

The woman's family are all Kilkenny.Her grandfather used to put on a few thousand every year on Kilkenny regardless of the odds. Decent profit over ten years. .. . Highly doubt he will have much on this year.

Put 10 euro on Wexford myself when they were 25/1 and 50 euro for Galway to win the league and championship before the league final at 16/1. Wexford was a free bet. No complaints as of yet.

GameOfTyrones (Tyrone) - Posts: 469 - 20/06/2017 22:12:53    2002837

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Replying To therealtmo:  "Tipp don't do back to back. Our race is ran."
Nah don't buy it. I know you have to go back a bit but youse have done it before (as have Wexford). Where there's life, there's hope!

MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 20/06/2017 22:20:37    2002843

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10/1 is a good price as the all ireland is a 3 horse race between themselves Galway and Tipp. If Tipp and Kilkenny avoid each other in the qualifiers and make it to the quarter finals one of the 2 will win the all ireland.

mike03 (Limerick) - Posts: 2000 - 20/06/2017 22:55:28    2002856

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Replying To mike03:  "10/1 is a good price as the all ireland is a 3 horse race between themselves Galway and Tipp. If Tipp and Kilkenny avoid each other in the qualifiers and make it to the quarter finals one of the 2 will win the all ireland."
Would have to also include Cork now.

county man (Limerick) - Posts: 1102 - 20/06/2017 23:27:51    2002868

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I can't see Kilkenny winning the All Ireland this year. Wexford exposed a few problems, mainly that the talent pool is not as deep as in former years. Richie Hogan did not play well in that game, TJ Reid got 2-7 from placed balls. Take that away and the return from the other forwards is 1-4.
Latterly Kilkenny have built their success on TJ and Richie, winning games for them. It did not happen v Wexford, and the league form was patchy. Both Richie Power and Henry Shefflin have pointed out the lack of talent coming through.

Kilkenny will always be contenders, just not as dominant as in previous years.
I think Cork have come into the reckoning in 2017, and might be worth a bet at 10/1. I think they might beat Clare, and have a say in the All Ireland series. They will be contenders for the next few years, with a mixture of youth and experienced players, plus a fusion of skill and toughness.
2017 championship should be interesting, a novel Leinster hurling final, and both Tipp andKikenny in qualifiers along with Waterford.

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1741 - 20/06/2017 23:46:11    2002876

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Can't see KK being in the final stages this year. In a one off game they have the capability of beating anyone if their key players click. But from where they are at the moment they could potentially have to win 3 big knock-out games just to get to the semi-final. Don't think they have the all round starting Team or squad at the moment. Too many outstanding players have left the camp in the last few seasons and only some of the replacements so far are nailing down a place. You could see in the Wexford game that Cody doesn't trust a lot of the younger guys and still went to the likes of Joyce and an unfit Padraig Walsh and is praying on Fennelly regaining fitness.
I could be wrong but I could see Kilkenny going into a lull period like Cork are showing signs of coming out of. Probably won't last as long as Cork as KK are always competitive underage. If they were to lose Cody at the moment and 1 or 2 key players it would require a massive re-building job up there and that won't happen overnight.
From here on in it has the potential to be one of the best championships in years. Very hard to call a winner. Looking forward to the weeks ahead. Next Monday's draw will be massive.

Cornerback1977 (Cork) - Posts: 67 - 21/06/2017 00:23:35    2002887

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