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2017 National Hurling League Division 1 semi-finals: legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7840 - 02/04/2017 17:44:20 1974222 Link 0 |
All true, but whats the ignorance you're referring to?
Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 02/04/2017 17:50:02 1974226 Link 1 |
whats your point? waterford won the league from 1b two years ago...what or who is ignorant towards 1b?
juniorjudge (Waterford) - Posts: 383 - 02/04/2017 17:53:42 1974230 Link 1 |
Comments that it'll be a disaster to drop to 1B. Comments that it's a disaster for Galway and Limerick to be stuck in 1B.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7840 - 02/04/2017 18:11:55 1974256 Link 0 |
What exactly is your point. The only conclusion I can come to is that there is very little between the top 9 teams. Its been a fantastic league. I cant recall one dead rubber game. ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 693 - 02/04/2017 18:25:37 1974272 Link 0 |
Kerry hurlers screwed by the shifting goal posts again, couldn't get legitimately promoted for 2 years and now they fall victim to the promotion/relegation play off being scrapped, despite the fact Laois had the safety blanket last year. TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 02/04/2017 18:30:36 1974280 Link 2 |
Every 1b game after the second week was a dead rubber. 1b was an awful league.
mike03 (Limerick) - Posts: 2000 - 02/04/2017 18:48:02 1974299 Link 1 |
He doesnt know how to debate. Dont mind him. Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 02/04/2017 18:54:18 1974304 Link 1 |
Oh yeah, 1b is not a bad deal at all. If a team goes down to 1b, they'll still have 2 games against top tier sides, and 3 games against middle tier sides, where they can experiment a bit (no disrespect meant to those teams). And all they have to do is finish in the top 4 to make a quarter-final. By getting relegated today, Dublin have pretty much assured themselves a quarter-final spot in next years league! This year is interesting though, as there's now a 50% chance that the team that wins this years league, will still be in 1b next year. Expect the usual had-wringing if that happens. Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 02/04/2017 20:13:30 1974380 Link 0 |
Given that there is a Top 9 and the rest - let's draw up a better structure for an even Top 10 - omahant (USA) - Posts: 2580 - 03/04/2017 05:25:09 1974551 Link 0 |
It would be interesting if there was a Division with all the best teams in it i.e 9 teams
crikey (Australia) - Posts: 355 - 03/04/2017 09:15:56 1974588 Link 0 |
Loughnane made a fair enough point that teams put in such a big effort to avoid relegation, they ease off a bit in the quarter-finals. It still can't be forgotten that two Division 1B teams went on to win their provincial championship a few years ago. Division 1B hasn't hindered anyone's championship. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7840 - 03/04/2017 19:00:52 1974983 Link 0 |
5 games in 1a will stand to any team later in the year i think. perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 04/04/2017 09:35:59 1975219 Link 0 |
Galway won despite being awful for 50 minutes against a weakened Waterford team. There's another theory being put about....the reason why they were so awful was because they were playing at a lower standard in 3 of their 1B games and so were off the pace. A full strength Waterford/ Tipperary/ Kilkenny would have eaten them last Sunday. You can make valid arguments for completely opposing views re the advantage/disadvantage of being in 1B. The knock out stages of the league are not taken that seriously by some hurling counties and league success guarantees nothing. Remember Clare won the league from 1B last year and went out with a whimper in the championship. If you have ambitions to progress in the championship it is better to be in 1A because the higher standard stands to teams in the heat of championshio
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 04/04/2017 10:40:09 1975287 Link 0 |
Ok so we have a 9 or 10 team division 1 created just to please every so called top team. Surely there would be a need for promtion and relegation to this division. Then we have a situation where 1 or 2 of the so called top teams ends up in the second division with the weaker teams and 1 or 2 weak teams comes up to replace them. Al least with the present setup there is a mix of weak and strong temas in the second division.(1b)
ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 693 - 04/04/2017 10:59:55 1975300 Link 2 |
Clare won the league from Div. 1B laat year and I cannot recall any hand wrining
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4318 - 05/04/2017 22:20:27 1976247 Link 0 |
Yeah, but Clare won 1b, and were promoted to 1a for this years league. I was referring to the scenario that would arise if Limerick or Galway won the league outright this year, but would still be in 1b next year (which is what would happen under the current structure). I'm not saying its right or wrong, but if it happened, I imagine it would cause some discussion.
Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 06/04/2017 00:03:49 1976288 Link 0 |
1A is such that the aim of the game is to stay in the division. Anything above that is a bonus. I dont believe 1a teams target the league specifically until they arrive and if they arrive at a semi final. LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2479 - 06/04/2017 01:18:49 1976296 Link 0 |
You honestly think a team of intercounty cork hurlers playing in front of a big home crowd in a quarter final of a national competition (they've won f all recently) just decided not to try that hard against limerick? Nonsense...
blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 1055 - 06/04/2017 04:26:15 1976305 Link 0 |
What if they seeded the league some way where 1a and b were generally equal quality and 2a and b etc so for example 1a could be (tipp waterford clare dublin offaly) and 1b (Kilkenny galway limerick cork wexford) etc and it would be considered one division with the bottom team in each group going down (2 down) or the bottom 4 play relegation semis. The the 2 finalists in division 2 goes up into separate groups of whatever. Or even the leagues could be seeded each year based on championship.. blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 1055 - 06/04/2017 04:35:48 1976306 Link 0 |