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People on here saying that Kildare won't do Meath a favour by beating Galway. Don't forget in 2011 in the last round of matches Meath drew with Tyrone in Navan and they looked like going down to Division three until a very late stoppage point from Kildare beat Sligo by a point in Newbridge. The end result was that Sligo and Meath had the same amount of points but Meath stayed up because they had beaten Sligo on the head to head. It would be great for Leinster football if Dublin, Kildare and Meath were all playing Division one next year. OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 27/03/2017 11:21:32 1971700 Link
Kildare are in an ideal position they can travel to salthill safe in the knowledge there promoted and can give it a lash and go for it all the pressure is on galway to perform rhudson (Galway) - Posts: 1478 - 27/03/2017 12:05:40 1971726 Link
Traditionally Kildare dont beat Galway. That's certainly not going to change Sunday with promotion already secured. Sundays a day for squad players to get a full 70 mins and trying out positional changes/tactics etc. A lot of lads put in a big shift this league and will be rested for when it matters to Kildare and not Meath. We'll have a real cut off Galway in the league final. derfil1 (Kildare) - Posts: 1612 - 27/03/2017 12:29:36 1971736 Link
Double header next Sunday in Pearse Stadium, Galway V Kildare at 2 and the hurlers playing Waterford at 4 in 1/4 finals. Hopefully Galway supporters will come out in big numbers to support both teams. . mon (Galway) - Posts: 675 - 27/03/2017 12:35:43 1971742 Link
Replying To derfil1: "Traditionally Kildare dont beat Galway. That's certainly not going to change Sunday with promotion already secured. Sundays a day for squad players to get a full 70 mins and trying out positional changes/tactics etc. A lot of lads put in a big shift this league and will be rested for when it matters to Kildare and not Meath. We'll have a real cut off Galway in the league final." Agreed. There is no way Kildare are not going to beat Galway on Sunday. Thats not a slight on Kildare who have been excellent in the league and are a proud county. It's just that it wouldn't make sense to put out their best 15 against a highly motivated Galway team for a match that means little to them. They'll be saving themselves for the final and rightly so. This whole scenario however does reflect poorly on the idea of having finals in a league format. If for example, there was no final, Kildare would be obliged to go all out as the Div 2 League title would be at stake. This would then be fairer on the teams below them such as Meath in instance. As for Meath, we've paid the price for not showing up against Kildare and Down and then for the cocky and poor decision making in the closing minutes against Cork. You can't not show up in two matches and expect to get promoted. Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1316 - 27/03/2017 14:09:03 1971810 Link
Replying To Crinigan: "Agreed. There is no way Kildare are not going to beat Galway on Sunday. Thats not a slight on Kildare who have been excellent in the league and are a proud county. It's just that it wouldn't make sense to put out their best 15 against a highly motivated Galway team for a match that means little to them. They'll be saving themselves for the final and rightly so. This whole scenario however does reflect poorly on the idea of having finals in a league format. If for example, there was no final, Kildare would be obliged to go all out as the Div 2 League title would be at stake. This would then be fairer on the teams below them such as Meath in instance. As for Meath, we've paid the price for not showing up against Kildare and Down and then for the cocky and poor decision making in the closing minutes against Cork. You can't not show up in two matches and expect to get promoted." Wouldn't having no league final be even more "unfair" on Meath? If only the top team won the league, then Meath would already by out since they can't finish top of the table. Having 2 final spots ensures more teams have interest going into the last round. CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1643 - 27/03/2017 14:18:30 1971819 Link
Replying To Crinigan: "Agreed. There is no way Kildare are not going to beat Galway on Sunday. Thats not a slight on Kildare who have been excellent in the league and are a proud county. It's just that it wouldn't make sense to put out their best 15 against a highly motivated Galway team for a match that means little to them. They'll be saving themselves for the final and rightly so. This whole scenario however does reflect poorly on the idea of having finals in a league format. If for example, there was no final, Kildare would be obliged to go all out as the Div 2 League title would be at stake. This would then be fairer on the teams below them such as Meath in instance. As for Meath, we've paid the price for not showing up against Kildare and Down and then for the cocky and poor decision making in the closing minutes against Cork. You can't not show up in two matches and expect to get promoted." Good point about the final, perhaps if the team finishing on top were to be given a home final as in other sports it would be a fairer system mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1044 - 27/03/2017 15:41:20 1971865 Link
Don't know how the hell Fermanagh beat them last week!! ....they're very athletic as well.. St.Conleth (Kildare) - Posts:1190 - 26/03/2017 Yeah Ronan Sweeney said it when being interviewed afterwards, they were the hardest hitting team we've faced all year according to the players. Couple of yellow and black cards shown yesterday to both teams but there didn't seem to be any dangerous tackles or anything over the top really. Brilliant to be up with a game to spare and nice to get 18 scores with our first choice full forward line missing. Can give the likes of Peter Kelly and Leper a start next week and maybe try out a few of the under 21's who haven't really got a lot of game time yet this year either - Shea Ryan, Pascal Connell etc. Paddy Woodgate and a few others played in some challenge matches recently so they might come into consideration as well. We have a pretty settled starting 15 now so at the same time O'Neill might just want to continue letting them play to keep the momentum up. Nice to be looking forward to a day out in Croke Park at least, you'd imagine the Dubs will there for the Division 1 final and if Meath were to make the final as well it'd be a pretty decent crowd. if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 27/03/2017 15:53:47 1971877 Link
It's unfair that it's done on head to head in the first place. If there were home and away fixtures then fair enough but the team lucky enough to have the home fixture that particular year surely gets an advantage if it comes to head to heads. Score difference is a better reflection of the league as a whole jafallon (Galway) - Posts: 489 - 27/03/2017 16:37:18 1971900 Link
Replying To jafallon: "It's unfair that it's done on head to head in the first place. If there were home and away fixtures then fair enough but the team lucky enough to have the home fixture that particular year surely gets an advantage if it comes to head to heads. Score difference is a better reflection of the league as a whole" we missed out to the rossies a few seasons ago,we had a way better score difference but lost by 2 points away. i agree with you,but ye will be ok. ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 27/03/2017 16:54:18 1971913 Link
Replying To if_in_doubt: "Don't know how the hell Fermanagh beat them last week!! ....they're very athletic as well.. St.Conleth (Kildare) - Posts:1190 - 26/03/2017 Yeah Ronan Sweeney said it when being interviewed afterwards, they were the hardest hitting team we've faced all year according to the players. Couple of yellow and black cards shown yesterday to both teams but there didn't seem to be any dangerous tackles or anything over the top really. Brilliant to be up with a game to spare and nice to get 18 scores with our first choice full forward line missing. Can give the likes of Peter Kelly and Leper a start next week and maybe try out a few of the under 21's who haven't really got a lot of game time yet this year either - Shea Ryan, Pascal Connell etc. Paddy Woodgate and a few others played in some challenge matches recently so they might come into consideration as well. We have a pretty settled starting 15 now so at the same time O'Neill might just want to continue letting them play to keep the momentum up. Nice to be looking forward to a day out in Croke Park at least, you'd imagine the Dubs will there for the Division 1 final and if Meath were to make the final as well it'd be a pretty decent crowd." meath hit fermanagh hard and it looked as though they could not handle it. ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 27/03/2017 16:55:15 1971915 Link
the team that tops the league should be the league winners that would make the galwayv kildare game a league title decider if galway win as it is there promoted having a league final is pointless really rhudson (Galway) - Posts: 1478 - 27/03/2017 17:05:31 1971920 Link
The score difference/head to head argument will never satisfy anyone. If it was score difference you'd have lads giving out "how can Y be ranked ahead of X on the table if X beat Y in their match? It's a disgrace!". The next best thing the GAA can do is just choose one system and stick with it, which is what they've done with head to head (except for Ulster, who use scoring average in the McKenna cup for some bizarre reason). CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1643 - 27/03/2017 17:22:25 1971932 Link
The score difference/head to head argument will never satisfy anyone. If it was score difference you'd have lads giving out "how can Y be ranked ahead of X on the table if X beat Y in their match? It's a disgrace!". The next best thing the GAA can do is just choose one system and stick with it, which is what they've done with head to head (except for Ulster, who use scoring average in the McKenna cup for some bizarre reason). CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts:1010 - 27/03/2017 Yeah it'll never please everybody. If you go on head to head you give the advantage to the team who were at home between the 2. If you go on scoring difference then you're giving the same advantage to teams who have 4 home games over those who have 3. Unless you have equal home and away games (9 per division with 5 in Division 4 playing each other twice?) there's never going to be a perfect balance. if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 27/03/2017 17:38:22 1971940 Link
meath hit fermanagh hard and it looked as though they could not handle it. ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts:7436 - 27/03/2017 That's the problem with Meath alright, talentless gym-monkies and not enough natural footballers... ;) if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 27/03/2017 18:31:32 1971958 Link
It's hard to believe Kildare got promoted, but there you go- on form the best team in the division and therefore deserving of that promotion. Kildare were probably some peoples favourites to be relegated to division 3, however we are guaranteed that can't happen for a couple of years. Hanging around in division 2 could be a good place to build, on the other hand if you don't take it seriously enough it could have you relegated to division 3 in 2018. Looking forward to having the top teams in Newbridge next year! jonno (Kildare) - Posts: 260 - 27/03/2017 18:35:59 1971962 Link
Replying To AnBuachaillGlas: "You'd are bad losers ... But you are worse winners... No need for yer comment ... see u in Brewster park next year ... if u knew yer football a you'd know that wasn't us today ... fair play to Meath yiz never let up" I thought there was no need for yours so I'm sure if I was that cocky you'd of have got me back for that don't deny it ha..yeah yez never showed up really maybe the heads dropped after the 2 goals ..had no great pleasure with hammering yez either ..was actually thinking on the way home from the match I'd much rather going to exciting games of the likes against cork and galway than been handed everything from the gaa and hammering everyone..a bit of success soon wouldn't go astray either all the same ha royal7 (Meath) - Posts: 156 - 27/03/2017 18:48:18 1971970 Link
There will be no promotion for Meath this year. You would have fancied Galway at home to Kildare anyway but with Kildare already promoted they are bound to be lacking in motivation. But regardless nice to see a bit of a positive feel coming back to Meath football. I think we will beat Clare and hopefully follow up with a bit of improvement in a the coming championship. bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1340 - 27/03/2017 20:45:56 1972024 Link
In the good oule days if two teams finished level on the same number of points when the league was over there was a play off. You would also have quarter-finals where the top four teams in Division One, the two teams in Division Two and the top team in Division three and Division four would go through the last eight. Can you imagine if that happened last year? The pairings you would get would of been: First in Div 1 v First in Div 4: Dubs v Antrim (Could be played in Newry) Second in Div 1 v First in Div 3: Kerry v Kildare (Could be played in Thurles) Third in Div 1 v Second in Div 2: Roscommon v Cavan (Could be played in Longford) Fourth in Div 1 v First in Div 2: Donegal v Tyrone (Could be played in Derry) Semi Finals: Dubs/Antrim v Donegal/Tyrone Kerry/Kildare v Roscommon/Cavan OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 27/03/2017 21:32:19 1972047 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "I ain't gonna get involved in this one. Me and gotmilks ceasefire is holding, so in the words of john Cleese. Don't mention the war :). Match itself, I expect a reaction from Meath today after throwing away the game in cork and particularly McEntee comments, it won't be easy but Meath to prevail (hopefully)" "Throwing the game away in Cork" Another one of your classic comments RD. Cork were 9 points up at one stage whilst Meath were never more than a point up. As for Meath their certainly going in the right direction although it won't be easy down in Clare as they need the points too. Who knows what Kildare will turn up in Galway although given the potential for a Meath v Kildare Leinster semi I doubt O'Neill would want to be facing Meath in a league decider. TheWestIsAwake (UK) - Posts: 529 - 28/03/2017 11:30:13 1972189 Link