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Replying To perfect10: "well i would agree with his point,i dont think it is unreasonable to expect at least some discretion.i was a husband of a breastfeeding mother,and i dont think it is unreasonable to expect her to be discreet-should she take her top off so she can show how liberal she is?as somebody above says,it is like vegans telling everybody they are vegans.
he is not saying she cant breastfeed.nor am i.
what about the other points raised above though which you and jackeen are ignoring?what about if somebody gets a goal and the 16 week old child gets an elbow from a supporter beside her?
or the child getting a shock from the crowd?
being honest,i can think of nothing more annoying for match-day experience than a child on every 2nd parents lap.
being honest,this case is one for tusla rather than independent." Its the risk a parent takes when they bring their child to the match. It's a personal choice. A 16 month old in its mother's arms is very unlikely to be harmed on any way. A 3 or 4 year old in its own seat is much more likely to get a stray arm. Tusla? Seriously?
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Replying To perfect10: "well i would agree with his point,i dont think it is unreasonable to expect at least some discretion.i was a husband of a breastfeeding mother,and i dont think it is unreasonable to expect her to be discreet-should she take her top off so she can show how liberal she is?as somebody above says,it is like vegans telling everybody they are vegans.
he is not saying she cant breastfeed.nor am i.
what about the other points raised above though which you and jackeen are ignoring?what about if somebody gets a goal and the 16 week old child gets an elbow from a supporter beside her?
or the child getting a shock from the crowd?
being honest,i can think of nothing more annoying for match-day experience than a child on every 2nd parents lap.
being honest,this case is one for tusla rather than independent." Seriously?! A 3rd one complaining about indiscreet breastfeeding? And all from the same county!
I can just picture a disgruntled wife in Saudi Arabia right now being told by her husband, 'Stop whinging about your women's rights, or I'll send you to live in Wexford.'
Thomas Clarke (Tyrone) - Posts: 1002 - 15/08/2018 09:40:30
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Replying To Jackeen: "Its the risk a parent takes when they bring their child to the match. It's a personal choice. A 16 month old in its mother's arms is very unlikely to be harmed on any way. A 3 or 4 year old in its own seat is much more likely to get a stray arm. Tusla? Seriously?" And here I thought that this country and its people had moved on! Charging a full ticket for a baby and people here agreeing with it or saying that the child shouldn't be brought to the game at all cos its loud and uncomfortable and drunk people may be sitting next to her.
So what about a club game. Should she also not attend them! Catch yourselves on. Wouldn't bother me in the slightest if babies attended the game and their mothers feed them. In fact, a baby crying is better than most of the drivel I hear in the stands anyway....
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I'll go against the grain of my fellow county people here on the issue of breastfeeding itself. Breastfeeding does not have to be "very discrete", I've absolutely no problem with breastfeeding as casually or as indiscreetly as necessary.
I just think the other issues I have highlighted are more important, because you can't confine a rule just to breastfeeding babies. Who can prove who is breastfeeding and who isn't? If babies were ever to be allowed in on laps then it would have to be an age limit, which would be abused and potentially make the grounds unsafe in case of emergency
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Replying To Termon: "And here I thought that this country and its people had moved on! Charging a full ticket for a baby and people here agreeing with it or saying that the child shouldn't be brought to the game at all cos its loud and uncomfortable and drunk people may be sitting next to her.
So what about a club game. Should she also not attend them! Catch yourselves on. Wouldn't bother me in the slightest if babies attended the game and their mothers feed them. In fact, a baby crying is better than most of the drivel I hear in the stands anyway...." Totally agree!
lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 15/08/2018 10:07:58
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Replying To 890202: "I'll go against the grain of my fellow county people here on the issue of breastfeeding itself. Breastfeeding does not have to be "very discrete", I've absolutely no problem with breastfeeding as casually or as indiscreetly as necessary.
I just think the other issues I have highlighted are more important, because you can't confine a rule just to breastfeeding babies. Who can prove who is breastfeeding and who isn't? If babies were ever to be allowed in on laps then it would have to be an age limit, which would be abused and potentially make the grounds unsafe in case of emergency" They are already allowed in on laps. Just they have to have a seat too and yes I agree there would have to be an age limit and most probably a pass for the first 2 years of the babies life where a birth cert would have to be given to acquire the pass in the first place and its valid for say 2 years.
Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 15/08/2018 10:11:28
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Some so called journalist writes an article on the GAA as click bait and you all fall for it.
This rule has been the case for donkeys years. So why now have a pop? Because it is the mode to talk down the GAA.
Like stupid threads and articles on ticket prices, when they never compare to other events. Do you see articles on rugby ticket prices or soccer prices?
If you are so tired of the GAA go support the above sports that seem so much better run, better value and of course have no interest in money as opposed to the GAA.
witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 15/08/2018 12:13:03
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Replying To suckvalleypaddy: "during our breast feeding days we pumped the milk into the baby bottle at home and the whole thing is practical and discreet, let the babies in. No problem with lads sucking pints in the bar at half time." The image of suckvalley Paddy breastfeeding, omg. No wonder Galway footballers were on the hind tit to Dublin.
Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 409 - 15/08/2018 12:25:02
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2 young kids about 4 or 5 sitting in front of me one year not even watching the game....a kid that age is hardly able to take in what's happening on the field.
Got me gunning about all those who couldn't get a ticket..now if you get a ticket your free to do with it as you please but I think it's ignorant of parents to bring such young kids to finals.
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Replying To witnof: "Some so called journalist writes an article on the GAA as click bait and you all fall for it.
This rule has been the case for donkeys years. So why now have a pop? Because it is the mode to talk down the GAA.
Like stupid threads and articles on ticket prices, when they never compare to other events. Do you see articles on rugby ticket prices or soccer prices?
If you are so tired of the GAA go support the above sports that seem so much better run, better value and of course have no interest in money as opposed to the GAA." Very well said .
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Replying To witnof: "Some so called journalist writes an article on the GAA as click bait and you all fall for it.
This rule has been the case for donkeys years. So why now have a pop? Because it is the mode to talk down the GAA.
Like stupid threads and articles on ticket prices, when they never compare to other events. Do you see articles on rugby ticket prices or soccer prices?
If you are so tired of the GAA go support the above sports that seem so much better run, better value and of course have no interest in money as opposed to the GAA." Very well said .
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6030 - 15/08/2018 12:45:05
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Replying To yew_tree: "2 young kids about 4 or 5 sitting in front of me one year not even watching the game....a kid that age is hardly able to take in what's happening on the field.
Got me gunning about all those who couldn't get a ticket..now if you get a ticket your free to do with it as you please but I think it's ignorant of parents to bring such young kids to finals." Was Stephen Rochford ignorant to bring his infant last year i think it was? What does it matter to you if a 4 or 5 year old isnt taking the game in?? Does it not bother you that infants are paying for a seat that will be left empty for the game., stopping someone else from using it?
Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 15/08/2018 12:57:41
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Replying To witnof: "Some so called journalist writes an article on the GAA as click bait and you all fall for it.
This rule has been the case for donkeys years. So why now have a pop? Because it is the mode to talk down the GAA.
Like stupid threads and articles on ticket prices, when they never compare to other events. Do you see articles on rugby ticket prices or soccer prices?
If you are so tired of the GAA go support the above sports that seem so much better run, better value and of course have no interest in money as opposed to the GAA." Well I can only speak from experience. I didn't know thiis rule until it was highlighted in this story & I think it deserves debating.
Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 15/08/2018 13:00:20
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Replying To witnof: "Some so called journalist writes an article on the GAA as click bait and you all fall for it.
This rule has been the case for donkeys years. So why now have a pop? Because it is the mode to talk down the GAA.
Like stupid threads and articles on ticket prices, when they never compare to other events. Do you see articles on rugby ticket prices or soccer prices?
If you are so tired of the GAA go support the above sports that seem so much better run, better value and of course have no interest in money as opposed to the GAA." Well said
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Replying To witnof: "Some so called journalist writes an article on the GAA as click bait and you all fall for it.
This rule has been the case for donkeys years. So why now have a pop? Because it is the mode to talk down the GAA.
Like stupid threads and articles on ticket prices, when they never compare to other events. Do you see articles on rugby ticket prices or soccer prices?
If you are so tired of the GAA go support the above sports that seem so much better run, better value and of course have no interest in money as opposed to the GAA." Nothing wrong with trying to improve the association. It's been happening for 130+ years, with administrative and playing rule changes, many of which have been copied from other sports.
I think it's obvious that everyone on this board is a GAA fan, but I guess it depends on what type of fan you are. You appear to be of the 'like it or lump it' variety, whereas I'm more for continual improvement.
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Replying To witnof: "Some so called journalist writes an article on the GAA as click bait and you all fall for it.
This rule has been the case for donkeys years. So why now have a pop? Because it is the mode to talk down the GAA.
Like stupid threads and articles on ticket prices, when they never compare to other events. Do you see articles on rugby ticket prices or soccer prices?
If you are so tired of the GAA go support the above sports that seem so much better run, better value and of course have no interest in money as opposed to the GAA." Why must we always compare the GAA to rugby or other pro sports? The GAA is not professional, it's not supposed to be a 'brand' (or whatever the trend to call it these days is). Supporters have a right to question prices without being told to go follow another sport. Take that attitude for a while and see what your left with! Maybe because you live in Dublin you don't see how bad it's already got in other parts of the country With people turning their back on the game.
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Replying To Thomas Clarke: "Nothing wrong with trying to improve the association. It's been happening for 130+ years, with administrative and playing rule changes, many of which have been copied from other sports.
I think it's obvious that everyone on this board is a GAA fan, but I guess it depends on what type of fan you are. You appear to be of the 'like it or lump it' variety, whereas I'm more for continual improvement." Well said.
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Replying To Thomas Clarke: "Nothing wrong with trying to improve the association. It's been happening for 130+ years, with administrative and playing rule changes, many of which have been copied from other sports.
I think it's obvious that everyone on this board is a GAA fan, but I guess it depends on what type of fan you are. You appear to be of the 'like it or lump it' variety, whereas I'm more for continual improvement." I cannot reply to all so will reply to this answer.
One person complained and it goes on to Independent front page of their website. No research behind, like when the rule was brought in or why or anything. But a negative take on the GAA so lets make front page.
I have no issue with rule and if you ask you will find it is H&S around a full house of 80K+ people.
There are things to change but this is not major issue.
Like ticket prices. We compare them to what? They are super value and especially as the money is ploughed back.
Do people really know how many games make money?? You would be surprised.
Negativity for the sake if it annoys me.
witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 15/08/2018 15:59:03
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Common sense seems to go out the window when it comes to activists and their causes.
Besides the fact that a packed sports stadium of over 80000 people is not the place for a 4 month old child regardless of their dietary needs, the facts of the matter are this...
Every venue or establishment in the country, whether it be sporting, music, night club, pub, museum, play centre etc, has maximum occupancy limit.
This is purely for safety reasons and it is an essential.
This maximum occupancy limit is for an amount of people, not adults over a certain age or children under a certain age but people, adults and children collectively.
All Ireland final day is an event which you can be certain will be a sell out crowd so by that virtue the stadium will be at maximum occupancy.
So if you were to allow ticket holders to bring non ticket holders along with them, whatever their age, then you are over the limit of occupancy and in breach of health and safety laws and also in breach of the terms of any insurance policies which would be tied to occupancy limits.
Yes people, insurance premiums for one are based on regulations and rules and the laws of the land being adhered to...
If there were to be an incident in any establishment or venue deemed to be overcrowded, were it to be relatively minor or indeed a major incident and a person or people got injured or worse then what happens???
It may sound over the top but if a scenario like this was let to develop then you'd know all about it, God forbid something was to happen to a child and Croke Park were found to be derelict of their duty when it comes to safeguarding the wellbeing of their patrons and all because someone didn't want to pay their way or because they wanted to put on a public display of how liberal they are without an entry fee... What I ask you would happen then??
So that is why the lady in question must purchase a second ticket if she wishes to bring another person along with her, simple as!
CASE CLOSED!
P.S. I'm sure that any activists on here can go and quite easily find something else to be outraged about, GAA related or otherwise.
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Replying To locklanegale: "Common sense seems to go out the window when it comes to activists and their causes.
Besides the fact that a packed sports stadium of over 80000 people is not the place for a 4 month old child regardless of their dietary needs, the facts of the matter are this...
Every venue or establishment in the country, whether it be sporting, music, night club, pub, museum, play centre etc, has maximum occupancy limit.
This is purely for safety reasons and it is an essential.
This maximum occupancy limit is for an amount of people, not adults over a certain age or children under a certain age but people, adults and children collectively.
All Ireland final day is an event which you can be certain will be a sell out crowd so by that virtue the stadium will be at maximum occupancy.
So if you were to allow ticket holders to bring non ticket holders along with them, whatever their age, then you are over the limit of occupancy and in breach of health and safety laws and also in breach of the terms of any insurance policies which would be tied to occupancy limits.
Yes people, insurance premiums for one are based on regulations and rules and the laws of the land being adhered to...
If there were to be an incident in any establishment or venue deemed to be overcrowded, were it to be relatively minor or indeed a major incident and a person or people got injured or worse then what happens???
It may sound over the top but if a scenario like this was let to develop then you'd know all about it, God forbid something was to happen to a child and Croke Park were found to be derelict of their duty when it comes to safeguarding the wellbeing of their patrons and all because someone didn't want to pay their way or because they wanted to put on a public display of how liberal they are without an entry fee... What I ask you would happen then??
So that is why the lady in question must purchase a second ticket if she wishes to bring another person along with her, simple as!
CASE CLOSED!
P.S. I'm sure that any activists on here can go and quite easily find something else to be outraged about, GAA related or otherwise." Children are already allowed into the stadium so are already at risk of being hurt. What difference does it make if the baby pays in or not in this scenario?
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