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Joe Brolly in the Independent today

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Replying To arock:  "The article is articulate, sensible full of interesting ideas, but of course doomed to failure. The Provincial championships need to be consigned to history they are in the way of creating meaningful modern competition - the Railway cups were sacred but were are they now and so on. You cannot have an attractive vibrant sport if its played in intensive wedges between long gaps of inactivity you simply cannot. This is not good for club or county or developing a premier sporting tournament. A master fixtures plan!! now there is a novel idea where did I hear this before? Players are fed up of sitting around for 5/6 weeks with endless training and no games. Now we have the provincials, the super eights and just sod it, couldn't care less really football can eat itself."
That about sums up the Gooch perfectly for me, and a good laugh too. blaming other fellas for suggesting the idea to him also and the charity angle, I think I'd have preferred if he just said I'm taking all the money whatever anyone thinks instead of this way of sneaking around it.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 352 - 17/10/2017 22:19:12    2055887

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Replying To keeper7:  "Pat Spillane said last night there should be more county games not less..."
To be fair to Pat (which I rarely am) he has made the point consistently that, if you want to compete with rugby and soccer (which are more or less all-year round high profile sports now) for the hearts and minds of our young footballers, you must maintain a high profile for the GAA for as long as possible during the year. Despite the success of the club c'ships, right through to the various All-Ireland finals, they have limited interest beyond the competing clubs. I suspect that most young footballers, and maybe a lot of other players and supporters, would be unaware of who our present All-Ireland club champions are in any grade. You might not agree with Pat but he has a valid point. (No doubt Brolly would not agree but, then, does he ever agree with anybody?)

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1224 - 17/10/2017 23:25:29    2055903

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The pre league inter county comps should be scrapped and so should the pre season club comps that use up 2 or 3 weekends. Get the clubs started a few weeks earlier with their league and it leaves more room for any delay mid season.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 5859 - 18/10/2017 07:41:31    2055920

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "That about sums up the Gooch perfectly for me, and a good laugh too. blaming other fellas for suggesting the idea to him also and the charity angle, I think I'd have preferred if he just said I'm taking all the money whatever anyone thinks instead of this way of sneaking around it."
For years Brolly has been on a one man mission to try and taint and undermine Cooper's playing career and record. It's very bizarre and quiet pitiful to see a grown and obviously intelligent man use his prominent newspaper column for such petty ends.

That such manure as Sunday's piece gets past the editors is a damning indictment of the quality of our newspaper industry. When you think of all the young, talented and qualified journalists out there that can't make any career in that industry these days, forced to work freelance for a pittance or set up blogs in the vain hope of making a profile for themselves, what must they think when they see fella's like this on huge money to write such muck. It must make them sick.

But no doubt Brolly has plenty of admires on here and elsewhere, hence why as long as he has a brawing crowd, the circus that is his punditry will run on and on.

People should read Mike Quirke's piece in yesterday's Examiner an articulate and well thought out response to the Derry man

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 3739 - 18/10/2017 09:53:20    2055937

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Replying To TheHermit:  "For years Brolly has been on a one man mission to try and taint and undermine Cooper's playing career and record. It's very bizarre and quiet pitiful to see a grown and obviously intelligent man use his prominent newspaper column for such petty ends.

That such manure as Sunday's piece gets past the editors is a damning indictment of the quality of our newspaper industry. When you think of all the young, talented and qualified journalists out there that can't make any career in that industry these days, forced to work freelance for a pittance or set up blogs in the vain hope of making a profile for themselves, what must they think when they see fella's like this on huge money to write such muck. It must make them sick.

But no doubt Brolly has plenty of admires on here and elsewhere, hence why as long as he has a brawing crowd, the circus that is his punditry will run on and on.

People should read Mike Quirke's piece in yesterday's Examiner an articulate and well thought out response to the Derry man"
I wouldn't take it so seriously mate, it was an inventive piece of satire and actually quite funny. Im sure Gooch himself had a good laugh at it.

Be good fun if he did a few other players.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 1571 - 18/10/2017 10:34:40    2055954

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I wouldn't take it so seriously mate, it was an inventive piece of satire and actually quite funny. Im sure Gooch himself had a good laugh at it.

Be good fun if he did a few other players."
Well I'm sorry username but plenty will take it seriously and they should, it was disdainful muck. And do you honestly think he will do something similar to others, will he be so 'witty' talking about Phil McMahon's new book for example?

The Derry man has a serious stick up his a** about Gooch and his career, jealously is a terrible thing

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 3739 - 18/10/2017 10:44:38    2055958

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I think when you are in the right you shouldn't be to worried mate im sure Gooch had a good chucle at it.

Gooch was a wonderful player and now the scores are in on his career he can sit back and let his medals do the talking. I did find it inventive and humorous though, but it was just a bit of hyperbole and satire to make a point differently, its one of those that yuou have to accept the urine being ripped and move on. I dont really have a problem with what Gooch is doing commercially and it doesn't change my opinion of him, but i know plenty do and it is topical.

I genuinely would love him to do some, on Dublin players, would be a good laugh, prime candidates for me would by Gavin himself, Cluxton, Connolly and you would get a bit of mileage out of Eoghan O Gara as well.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 1571 - 18/10/2017 11:36:03    2055974

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It was hilarious. Not all true but not all far from true either.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3257 - 18/10/2017 12:02:52    2055986

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Guess it depends on what the truth is

If Brolly did previously apologise to Gooch then it's a bizarre article and well out of order and whilst satirical puts Gooch out for ridicule

If Gooch made up the apology on live TV to try to convey the impression that even his critics were with him - then it was a trumpesque piece of fake news and Brolly has every right to let rip -

I'd be surprised if Brolly would come out as strong if there was any evidence ( text / phone call record) of the apology so I guess people will have to draw their own conclusions

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4949 - 18/10/2017 22:21:54    2056118

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It's a shame Joe couldn't have made his point as eloquently as he did last Sunday
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-its-now-a-question-of-what-we-truly-stand-for-36249217.html

I thought he went way over the top with remarks he made about Gooch previously, but I got to admit I thought this was a great article.
The guy can write well when he wants to

keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 741 - 26/10/2017 09:17:33    2058065

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Replying To keithlemon:  "It's a shame Joe couldn't have made his point as eloquently as he did last Sunday
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-its-now-a-question-of-what-we-truly-stand-for-36249217.html

I thought he went way over the top with remarks he made about Gooch previously, but I got to admit I thought this was a great article.
The guy can write well when he wants to"
Totally agree with you.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 3762 - 26/10/2017 11:02:08    2058094

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Replying To keithlemon:  "It's a shame Joe couldn't have made his point as eloquently as he did last Sunday
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-its-now-a-question-of-what-we-truly-stand-for-36249217.html

I thought he went way over the top with remarks he made about Gooch previously, but I got to admit I thought this was a great article.
The guy can write well when he wants to"
Yeah when he puts his mind to it he can write well.

I enjoyed his parody of the Gooch though I most admit.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 11826 - 27/10/2017 06:30:22    2058449

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Replying To MesAmis:  "Yeah when he puts his mind to it he can write well.

I enjoyed his parody of the Gooch though I most admit."
Yeah I liked both of his last 2 pieces.

In general I much prefer him as a writer than as a tv pundit.

I think he struggles to keep his interest on the game at hand and has a tendency to wander off and talk about whatever it is that's interesting him right now. That's perfect for a newspaper column but there's less of a place for it at half time of a big match.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 2045 - 27/10/2017 10:02:03    2058488

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Replying To Whammo86:  "Yeah I liked both of his last 2 pieces.

In general I much prefer him as a writer than as a tv pundit.

I think he struggles to keep his interest on the game at hand and has a tendency to wander off and talk about whatever it is that's interesting him right now. That's perfect for a newspaper column but there's less of a place for it at half time of a big match."
I agree. He can be quite irritating as a pundit on TV. Like you said he goes off on tangents when all you want is for him to analyse the game you're watching.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 11826 - 27/10/2017 13:38:40    2058569

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Replying To Whammo86:  "Yeah I liked both of his last 2 pieces.

In general I much prefer him as a writer than as a tv pundit.

I think he struggles to keep his interest on the game at hand and has a tendency to wander off and talk about whatever it is that's interesting him right now. That's perfect for a newspaper column but there's less of a place for it at half time of a big match."
I agree. I always enjoy his articles in the Indo, particularly the ones about the club scene and the community aspect of the GAA. He wrote a great one last year about Slaughtneil and all the unsung heroes working behind the scenes that have made that club what it is. On tv he often says something sensational just for the sake of it but his articles are very thoughtful and well written.

Gaillimh_Abu (Galway) - Posts: 753 - 27/10/2017 13:53:17    2058579

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Replying To neverright:  "The number of games in the League could be cut back drastically to allow more time for club action. If our present Divisions of eight teams were broken into two sections of four teams (A and B say), each team would play three games with the winners of section A playing the B winners to decide on Division champions. The three (or four) games that each county played would give them ample opportunity to get their teams prepared for the c'ship and would, crucially, free up a number of weekends for club action."
I wouldn't agree with going back to that A and B system again. The league is fine as it is with four Divisions. The intercounty league is over before most County leagues start so theer is no conflict here between Club and County.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2795 - 27/10/2017 15:45:24    2058611

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