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The bandwagon well and truly exists in Dublin. Plenty of so called Dublin supporters who rarely if ever attend hurling matches. Of course once a team has success you can add a few thousand to the numbers but they will dissappear just a quickly when the team isn't as successful. Same goes for the Kerry's and Kilkennys of this world and the rugby provinces. Victory has a hundred fathers but defeat is an orphan.
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im not here to big up dublins support..i am aware of all the advantages we have..but there is no need for this 'look how great our support is' nonsense when it comes to munster rugby..the last 5 years have shown just how big a bandwagon element there was to it
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts:962 - 17/11/2016 00:40:15 1
of course there is a bandwagon - but gaa has a bandwagon too -all counties have it
cork v clare 2013 all ireland hurling 80k - played in first round munster that year 25k. Played first round munster following year 27k
Limk v Tipp first round musnter this year around 25k - tipp had 40k at all ireland final
both 2013 semis had 60k at them - in 2015 the same four counties played a qualifier triple header with louth v tipp and crowd of about 20k was there
A bandwagon is a good thing -if bandwagons didnt exist and just the hardcore went, munster would only be getting 10-15k for european games, all ireland hurling finals would only be getting 30k and football possibly not even selling out, and ireland soccer would not have sold out the game v bosnia last year. Without a bandwagon you wouldnt have big crowds at big games
as for the look how great our support is - if a thomond park pro12 munster game gets 7000 people from limerick city, pro rata thats the equivalent of dublin getting around 50k for a match. If Dublins support is good i would consider the Limerick support for munster rugby to be good as well. Harder for guys from other counties to support as they have to travel and often at awkward times/weather. A game incork get around 6-8k mostly cork guys. But its only in Limerick City where the support for rugby achieves parity with hurling. In the county while support for rugby is good, hurling is king by a good bit too.
but there is no need for this 'look how great our support is' nonsense when it comes to munster rugby..
Fair enough but then again there is no need for your two statements below
"dublin are the best supported team in the country and it isnt close...
dublins attendances during our long wait for sam speaks for itself
And please dont tell me 16 years is a long wait , we are 43 year and counting - thats an eternity!
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Rugby is a great sport, played by men who think nothing of carrying on with fractured arms or blood pumping out of their head. It's brave and intense and the respect between opponents is huge.
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you are correct but i would say the same about gaa players, youd be a club hurling games and a guy would get an accidental belt of a hurl and not even break stride, most of them dont even wear shinguards!
separately on the limerick support thing - there is a massive absolutely massive crossover between limerick hurling support and munster rugby, its mostly the same guys, on the down side - our football support is desperate,
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Replying To Dubh_linn: "The bandwagon well and truly exists in Dublin. Plenty of so called Dublin supporters who rarely if ever attend hurling matches. Of course once a team has success you can add a few thousand to the numbers but they will dissappear just a quickly when the team isn't as successful. Same goes for the Kerry's and Kilkennys of this world and the rugby provinces. Victory has a hundred fathers but defeat is an orphan." Do you have to attend a game to be a bandwagoner?For me personnally,i dont think i've ever missed a Dublin football game,or Tipp hurling game since i've been able to watch Gaelic games.I've attended many at Croke Park,Semple Stadium but watched many more on tv.And i watch all other counties and club games when i can.If i'm working the weekends the excellent radio coverage on Newstalk and RTE will suffice and catch Sunday Game highlights.What is a bandwagon man?
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Replying To extranjero: " Replying To GreenandRed: "[quote=extranjero: "...Munster weren't the first team from The Republic to win the biggest prize in European club rugby...
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts:2991 - 16/11/2016 20:23:16
Cavan, Donegal, Monaghan....surely Ulster were the first rugby side from the Republic to win the European cup?" I wouldn't agree."
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Replying To ormondbannerman: "Should Connacht Rugby be up in arms that they are not getting an 18,000 capacity stadium like the RDS and Ravenhill as part of a bid?
It must be disappointing for them especially after winning the Pro 12 against the odds. Remember the IRFU wanted to wind down Connacht Rugby within the last ten years.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts:1393 - 16/11/2016 22:26:36 What do Connacht need an 18000 capacity stadium for? They need 10000 max
IRFU wanted to wind down Connacht pro set up as it was a complete loss maker" True but that's not my point. My point is they proved the IRFU wrong by winning the Pro 12. They could even do a ground share with Galway United. It's an opportunity lost by all concerned.
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Replying To GaryMc82: "Don't get me wrong I think it's good Derry is included. I hope the roads from Derry to Dublin and Belfast are upgraded because of this.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts:1393 - 16/11/2016 22:22:59
I welcome the RWC bid, even if Derry doesn't end up staging a match. But having regularly witnessed Ireland's biggest Halloween street festival every year, and big events like the City of Culture in 2013, Fleadh Ceoil, Clipper race, I know Derry City would do a great job as hosts.
Well the A5 dual carriageway is going ahead in stages, and will link Derry City to Monaghan eventually, for now its looking like the Derry-Strabane section is going ahead very soon, as it didn't have objections like the outskirts of Omagh did. So the route will definitely Improve, but It will be a slower process and some parts will remain single lane until this mess is sorted. I think a the majority of the funding is still there for the whole A5 project.
I think farmers near Omagh wanted more money per acre, comparable to prices in England. And when they were refused, some rare snail or slug was found on a bush or grass near some river, it was highlighted to the environmental group who halted the project, saying a proper environmental study wasn't carried out. A lot of people privately suspect this was all a ploy, but proving that is difficult." Haha, they need a mandatory purchase order to sort stuff like that out.
I would see road upgrades as a big benefit of a successful bid. Derry and Donegal would get more tourists from the south of the island if it was easier to get there.
Mayo would definitely benefit too as I am sure the road from Mullingar to Castlebar would be upgraded too.
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Replying To cuederocket: "Do you have to attend a game to be a bandwagoner?For me personnally,i dont think i've ever missed a Dublin football game,or Tipp hurling game since i've been able to watch Gaelic games.I've attended many at Croke Park,Semple Stadium but watched many more on tv.And i watch all other counties and club games when i can.If i'm working the weekends the excellent radio coverage on Newstalk and RTE will suffice and catch Sunday Game highlights.What is a bandwagon man?" The proper bandwagoners will be the one who swells the numbers and buys the shirt when things are looking up.Probably won't know one stand from another and hasn't a clue who any of the players are. That's the most obvious example of bandwagon merchants. Of course you will always have the waterer down bandwagoner who all of a sudden developes an interest and will gladly tell you that they always loved the aul hurling or that sure didn't they always prefer the game of hurling as it's a far more skillful and manly game.None of those Nancy boys playing that stuff.
Funnily enough , the two teams you mention are relative successful outfits and are probably easier to keep an eye on than their less medal laden siblings but never the less put in just as much effort.
Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 17/11/2016 16:58:30
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Replying To janesboro: "im not here to big up dublins support..i am aware of all the advantages we have..but there is no need for this 'look how great our support is' nonsense when it comes to munster rugby..the last 5 years have shown just how big a bandwagon element there was to it
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts:962 - 17/11/2016 00:40:15 1
of course there is a bandwagon - but gaa has a bandwagon too -all counties have it
cork v clare 2013 all ireland hurling 80k - played in first round munster that year 25k. Played first round munster following year 27k
Limk v Tipp first round musnter this year around 25k - tipp had 40k at all ireland final
both 2013 semis had 60k at them - in 2015 the same four counties played a qualifier triple header with louth v tipp and crowd of about 20k was there
A bandwagon is a good thing -if bandwagons didnt exist and just the hardcore went, munster would only be getting 10-15k for european games, all ireland hurling finals would only be getting 30k and football possibly not even selling out, and ireland soccer would not have sold out the game v bosnia last year. Without a bandwagon you wouldnt have big crowds at big games
as for the look how great our support is - if a thomond park pro12 munster game gets 7000 people from limerick city, pro rata thats the equivalent of dublin getting around 50k for a match. If Dublins support is good i would consider the Limerick support for munster rugby to be good as well. Harder for guys from other counties to support as they have to travel and often at awkward times/weather. A game incork get around 6-8k mostly cork guys. But its only in Limerick City where the support for rugby achieves parity with hurling. In the county while support for rugby is good, hurling is king by a good bit too.
but there is no need for this 'look how great our support is' nonsense when it comes to munster rugby..
Fair enough but then again there is no need for your two statements below
"dublin are the best supported team in the country and it isnt close...
dublins attendances during our long wait for sam speaks for itself
And please dont tell me 16 years is a long wait , we are 43 year and counting - thats an eternity!" those 2 statements i made are both factual..this seems lost on you..why are you obsessed with the tit for tat stuff instead of owning up to the huge decline in munster support?..you arent comparing like with like..what is the population of munster?..that is what u base munsters support on as you are using a very simplistic model to base dublins support on..every sport has a bandwagon nobody disputes that...the point im making is its a load of nonsense about how good munsters support is..i.e deserving special treatment or whatever...they were very loud about how great their support was when they were winning but once they stopped winning it completely fell off
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Replying To Dubh_linn: "The bandwagon well and truly exists in Dublin. Plenty of so called Dublin supporters who rarely if ever attend hurling matches. Of course once a team has success you can add a few thousand to the numbers but they will dissappear just a quickly when the team isn't as successful. Same goes for the Kerry's and Kilkennys of this world and the rugby provinces. Victory has a hundred fathers but defeat is an orphan." hurling is a different sport so not a fair comparison..but those who go to league games/club games versus champ is a fair comparison yes
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Replying To cuederocket: "Do you have to attend a game to be a bandwagoner?For me personnally,i dont think i've ever missed a Dublin football game,or Tipp hurling game since i've been able to watch Gaelic games.I've attended many at Croke Park,Semple Stadium but watched many more on tv.And i watch all other counties and club games when i can.If i'm working the weekends the excellent radio coverage on Newstalk and RTE will suffice and catch Sunday Game highlights.What is a bandwagon man?" id regard a bandwagoner as somebody not really into the sport but goes for the craic, the day out or trip away...doesnt watch the team be it on tv or going to the match....example be mcgregor in the ufc at the minute..a lot of the people being loud about him wouldnt actually be into the sport itself...a lot of people at the euros for the soccer is another example....i take issue with munster supporters going on about how great they are when the facts speak for themselves
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 17/11/2016 18:48:09
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "This tournament is the cheapest men's international event going and will cost less than the cost over run on the new Luas line.
When they cut the list to 10 you can kiss goodbye to the rds and Kilkenny. If they cut to eight then The derry and Killarney are gone too. As long as Kenny is Taoiseach then Castlebar is in.
If they cut to eight they won't win the bid as the organisers like to have a good spread of venues." yet the luas line is a lot more beneficial..how does this tournament benefit the country?..surely if its a smaller tournament then the benefits are going to be smaller?..because none of the bigger events have worked for host nations in recent years
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 17/11/2016 18:50:12
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The proper bandwagoners will be the one who swells the numbers and buys the shirt when things are looking up.Probably won't know one stand from another and hasn't a clue who any of the players are. That's the most obvious example of bandwagon merchants. Of course you will always have the waterer down bandwagoner who all of a sudden developes an interest and will gladly tell you that they always loved the aul hurling or that sure didn't they always prefer the game of hurling as it's a far more skillful and manly game.None of those Nancy boys playing that stuff.
Funnily enough , the two teams you mention are relative successful outfits and are probably easier to keep an eye on than their less medal laden siblings but never the less put in just as much effort.
Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts:1065 - 17/11/2016 16:58All fans are the same. You cant treat any any different. Only those with petty grudges focus on the phrase bandwagon.
There is nothing wrong with people going to games if they don't know who players are. They can learn.
id regard a bandwagoner as somebody not really into the sport but goes for the craic, the day out or trip away...doesnt watch the team be it on tv or going to the match....example be mcgregor in the ufc at the minute..a lot of the people being loud about him wouldnt actually be into the sport itself...a lot of people at the euros for the soccer is another example....i take issue with munster supporters going on about how great they are when the facts speak for themselves
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts:966 - 17/11/2016 18:48:09 And if people want to go to games for the day out or trip away let them off. Nothing wrong with that. Munsters fans were great and are picking up again.
They are like all irish people. They don't have the ability by and large to simply attend 20+ games a year for their main team by and large. People pick and choose the games
Munster fans have been great. Same could be said for virtually all county gaa teams fans.
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That's me tuning off Off The Ball tonight.Rugby,rugby,rugby.And listening to Brian O Driscoll is like listening to fingernails scraping a chalkboard!Thank god for the Eurosport and the Northern Irish Snooker Open.Come on the rocket!
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Replying To alano12: "hurling is a different sport so not a fair comparison..but those who go to league games/club games versus champ is a fair comparison yes" The point I was try to make was that those who call themselves Dublin Supporters or Kerry Supporters or Kilkenny Supporters are actually in the vast majority supporters of the more successful code and give little or no time to supporting the weaker but no less committed code unless of course they start to do relatively well. Very often the interest diminishes as soon as the results dry up.
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Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts:1065 - 17/11/2016 16:58All fans are the same. You cant treat any any different. Only those with petty grudges focus on the phrase bandwagon.
There is nothing wrong with people going to games if they don't know who players are. They can learn.
Of course they could learn if they continued to support the team other than only when they do well. Thats what the whole point of calling them bandwagon Supporters is all about. It's common in all sport ,we all know that.
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Replying To Dubh_linn: "The point I was try to make was that those who call themselves Dublin Supporters or Kerry Supporters or Kilkenny Supporters are actually in the vast majority supporters of the more successful code and give little or no time to supporting the weaker but no less committed code unless of course they start to do relatively well. Very often the interest diminishes as soon as the results dry up." agreed just i think people lump gaelic football and hurling together too much..same organisation but they are different sports
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Replying To ormondbannerman: "The proper bandwagoners will be the one who swells the numbers and buys the shirt when things are looking up.Probably won't know one stand from another and hasn't a clue who any of the players are. That's the most obvious example of bandwagon merchants. Of course you will always have the waterer down bandwagoner who all of a sudden developes an interest and will gladly tell you that they always loved the aul hurling or that sure didn't they always prefer the game of hurling as it's a far more skillful and manly game.None of those Nancy boys playing that stuff.
Funnily enough , the two teams you mention are relative successful outfits and are probably easier to keep an eye on than their less medal laden siblings but never the less put in just as much effort.
Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts:1065 - 17/11/2016 16:58All fans are the same. You cant treat any any different. Only those with petty grudges focus on the phrase bandwagon.
There is nothing wrong with people going to games if they don't know who players are. They can learn.
id regard a bandwagoner as somebody not really into the sport but goes for the craic, the day out or trip away...doesnt watch the team be it on tv or going to the match....example be mcgregor in the ufc at the minute..a lot of the people being loud about him wouldnt actually be into the sport itself...a lot of people at the euros for the soccer is another example....i take issue with munster supporters going on about how great they are when the facts speak for themselves
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts:966 - 17/11/2016 18:48:09 And if people want to go to games for the day out or trip away let them off. Nothing wrong with that. Munsters fans were great and are picking up again.
They are like all irish people. They don't have the ability by and large to simply attend 20+ games a year for their main team by and large. People pick and choose the games
Munster fans have been great. Same could be said for virtually all county gaa teams fans." of course they can...its declaring yourself the best supporters this, that and the other i take issue with...why cant people just support their team?..what is the need to be declared the best fans thing about when so many arent true fans?...people seemed to have missed my point..thats all iv taken issue with...your going to have bandwagon fans in anything...look at katie taylor now compared to 4 years ago
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 17/11/2016 20:39:11
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"dublin are the best supported team in the country and it isnt close...
dublins attendances during our long wait for sam speaks for itself
And please dont tell me 16 years is a long wait , we are 43 year and counting - thats an eternity!"
those 2 statements i made are both factual..
they are not the best, they are supported as good as anybody else but no better or worse -While dublin do have great support it is pro rata to their population other counties have equally good support but dont have the population. I remember being at a limerick v longford qualifier in longford in 2002 there was 3600 at it (mostly longford) the following year same counties played up there it was 2000 (mostly longford) and i was at that one too, The population of Longford is around 40k , so to me pro rata they would be as good as dublin.
.what is the population of munster?..
around 1.2 million, of which id estimate 450k is would be within 1-1.5 hour drive of limerick city , bear in mind south of limerick there is no motorway and not great public transport. So pro rata its still comparable. not as good as dublin but competitive , but most of the support base is limerick , not all but most. Of course gaa support in the province massively massively outweights rugby always has always will. Bear in mind im as much a hurling/football fanatic as i am rugby - i love em all
Of course the support is down i said that in a previous post on this thread thats what happens when teams win/lose. That said like Dublins support is great (and i have been to good few dublin games), but munster still have great support - i am a season ticket holder and never miss a home game in limerick or cork (unless it clashes with a club game ) i do some away trips too, i see and hear it at games, the crowd going while a lot smaller are still as noisy and passionate, its the same as going to an inter county game, the crowds are smaller than they used to be but the fans are still as good and as vocal
its a load of nonsense about how good munsters support is..i.e deserving special treatment or whatever...they were very loud about how great their support was when they were winning but once they stopped winning it completely fell off
Your comments above suggest your being a bit loud yourself about dublin support , of course there was nonsense spoken about some of the munster support -and the support has fallen off but the core support is still there , im still going for better or worse - i never believed the brave and faithful hype, its just marketing hype but then again i never believed that guinnesss was good for me, that mars helped my work rest and play, that peugot was the ride of my ride or in the jolly green giant
and munster fans as good as we are aint no different to rugby fans anywhere else and dont deserves special treatment ,anywhere where theres rugby played theres fans with passion -
but as i said before if the bandwagon want to come and cheer on munster or limerick -they are more than welcome
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agreed just i think people lump gaelic football and hurling together too much..same organisation but they are different sports
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i suppose they are sister sports, i always find it strange to see hurling fans down here and they treat football with distain!
while id be more into hurling i still support the footballers too
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