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Replying To Royal_Gunner: "My figures are right and I think it does seem rather expensive but an independent QS company confirmed the figures as accurate. Commercial units included underneath the stand too - well subject to planning. Croke Park only allowing Meath CB commit to a €10m project at present. No idea how the county board will ever afford to do the other 3 sides. Hopefully some Government funding down the line will help but in the short term the project is a big task financially." Interesting, the addition of commercial units is very forward thinking and I like that, means that maximum use and maximum revenue is being made of a new facility. There is no doubt that a development of this scale will get allocated significant neutral games both club and inter county, I not overly fond of an all seater ground, I would like at least one standing area, but if they can get it build then go ahead. I saw the mock up photos from last Sunday's programme which look impressive, no comparison with what we have at the minute. Overall when I think now it's probably better off aiming high, when you see the slating some of our supposedly better county grounds got in the RWC report yesterday it shows what poor value for money we have been getting in ground redevelopment in recent years, Semple Stadium to me is of poor quality despite millions being spent on it since the 80's, Limerick spent €12 million and couldn't roof a stand, Mayo spent €16 million and still 3 sides of the ground has you sitting on bare concrete, Clones has poor seating in places and lacks cover whilst Cavan must have one of the smallest roofs ever seen on a stand and all those grounds have seen heavy investment, proper planning and value for money have been lacking in GAA developments so if the Meath County Board can instill those qualities then good luck to them Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 01/11/2017 15:18:52 2059551 Link
To fund this the County Board are looking for each club to contribute €6,500 every year, there is no doubt at all that something has to be done with Parc Tailteann, but the current plans outlined are complete pie in the sky nonsense, the Terrace is fine as is, we need to knock the stand and replace it with something like the one in Tullamore or Newry, then in time we need to do something behind both goals. Asking clubs to pay this money every year along with the levies already being paid to towards Dunganny are crazy, clubs have to survive and to continue to maintain and indeed develop the facilities that they offer or the kids will stop coming. They cannot be asked to fund everything, not near enough is being done centrally to raise money be it from corporate entities or otherwise, for instance the naming rights for both Dunganny and Parc Tailteann should be put out to tender for 3 to 5 years, look at our neighbours, they have partners for literally everything, Meath Gaa need to appoint a Commercial Director to drive this, longroadback (Meath) - Posts: 324 - 01/11/2017 16:18:03 2059567 Link
Navan should have been done years back but the clubs took the easy way and did dunganny instead and put the bigger project that is Pairc tailteann on the long finger. Costs have risen dramatically since Brownepat (Meath) - Posts: 532 - 01/11/2017 17:21:36 2059583 Link
Replying To Brownepat: "Navan should have been done years back but the clubs took the easy way and did dunganny instead and put the bigger project that is Pairc tailteann on the long finger. Costs have risen dramatically since" Easy way?? you think that Dunganny should not have been done? Dunganny was about 10 years late getting done, it was certainly a priority. longroadback (Meath) - Posts: 324 - 01/11/2017 17:56:16 2059596 Link
Replying To Brownepat: "Navan should have been done years back but the clubs took the easy way and did dunganny instead and put the bigger project that is Pairc tailteann on the long finger. Costs have risen dramatically since" I agree PT should have been further developed years ago, for example I cant understand how the grass banks at least weren't terraced in the 90's when things were good and we were successful but Dunganny was needed too and I think its development will bear fruit in terms of developing our underage squads plus our senior teams needed a proper facility in which to train and prepare which they now have. PT has the potential to earn money by attracting extra matches not involving Meath and other events if redeveloped properly and the talk of commercial units under the stand is certainly thinking outside the box and potentially another good revenue stream. I have little doubt that naming rights will also come up for bidding when redevelopment starts and Dunganny could also profit in this way. The overall development does seem somewhat grandiose but I wouldn't be surprised if it is scaled back a little, aiming higher is always a good ploy. Personally two stands either side and two decent terraces at the goal ends would do me with plenty of cover seeing as most GAA stadia in this country seem to think why have a climate like the south of France and leave three sides open. As I said before value for money is key and yes certainly the aim should be for a modern fit for purpose ground that can cater for spectators of all ages, what I certainly wouldn't want to see is a half baked effort or piecemeal redevelopment that would leave us wondering what if!!! Do it now and do it right so that it will last well into the future and have the capacity to earn revenue, that is the crucial thing in my mind anyway. Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 02/11/2017 03:07:39 2059672 Link
Replying To longroadback: "To fund this the County Board are looking for each club to contribute €6,500 every year, there is no doubt at all that something has to be done with Parc Tailteann, but the current plans outlined are complete pie in the sky nonsense, the Terrace is fine as is, we need to knock the stand and replace it with something like the one in Tullamore or Newry, then in time we need to do something behind both goals. Asking clubs to pay this money every year along with the levies already being paid to towards Dunganny are crazy, clubs have to survive and to continue to maintain and indeed develop the facilities that they offer or the kids will stop coming. They cannot be asked to fund everything, not near enough is being done centrally to raise money be it from corporate entities or otherwise, for instance the naming rights for both Dunganny and Parc Tailteann should be put out to tender for 3 to 5 years, look at our neighbours, they have partners for literally everything, Meath Gaa need to appoint a Commercial Director to drive this," The €6,500 from each club was only an initial proposal and is to be re-looked at. It would be made up of ticket sales for an annual bumper Meath draw with clubs asked to sell 65 tickets at €100 and then clubs keep the sales of tickets above this mark. This 65 figure per club was only a proposal (and a very unfair one I think) and will be reviewed so probably not accurate to say that each club has to contribute €6,500 until we see what gets passed by delegates. Royal_Gunner (Meath) - Posts: 534 - 02/11/2017 08:42:29 2059679 Link
When everything is done, What is the planned capacity in total? Also, any idea if a new car park has been addressed at all? leftandwide (Meath) - Posts: 91 - 02/11/2017 13:50:17 2059770 Link
Replying To Royal_Gunner: "The €6,500 from each club was only an initial proposal and is to be re-looked at. It would be made up of ticket sales for an annual bumper Meath draw with clubs asked to sell 65 tickets at €100 and then clubs keep the sales of tickets above this mark. This 65 figure per club was only a proposal (and a very unfair one I think) and will be reviewed so probably not accurate to say that each club has to contribute €6,500 until we see what gets passed by delegates." So for example St Brigids would be asked to sell the same amount of tickets as St Colmcilles? and that is fair?? And to get 65 people year on year to buy a €100 ticket while at the same time selling lottos and doing other fundraising to maintain and developing their own facilities. I agree that work has to be done and funds raised, but everything should not be lumped back on the clubs is my point. longroadback (Meath) - Posts: 324 - 02/11/2017 15:37:33 2059800 Link
Replying To longroadback: "So for example St Brigids would be asked to sell the same amount of tickets as St Colmcilles? and that is fair?? And to get 65 people year on year to buy a €100 ticket while at the same time selling lottos and doing other fundraising to maintain and developing their own facilities. I agree that work has to be done and funds raised, but everything should not be lumped back on the clubs is my point." I'm in complete agreement with you Longroad. I've just been stating some facts so posters have a better understanding. Royal_Gunner (Meath) - Posts: 534 - 02/11/2017 17:46:55 2059830 Link
Replying To leftandwide: "When everything is done, What is the planned capacity in total? Also, any idea if a new car park has been addressed at all?" I hear the county board bought some land across from the main gates of the existing car park for that purpose Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 02/11/2017 18:35:07 2059844 Link
Replying To leftandwide: "When everything is done, What is the planned capacity in total? Also, any idea if a new car park has been addressed at all?" You can park 20k in and around the town and all you will then have to do is walk less than 750m browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 02/11/2017 21:56:03 2059894 Link
Pairs Tailteann should have been sold during the boom times and a proper stadium built in Dunganny with 2 other pitches. Lots of room for parking and ease of access. It should still be done. The land in Pairc Tailteann is worth a fortune and the money raised from its sale would go a long way towards a state of the art new stadium that would last well into this century or even the next. The myth that Pairc Tailteann is the home of football is crazy. It was the show grounds up until the late 30's. The next generation of footballers and hurlers will see a new stadium as the home of Meath GAA. We need to get out of the past and start looking to the future. On a big football day it's impossible to get near the place and the town is choked with traffic. To put this proposal forward and now to levy the clubs almost 7000 euro per annum is disgraceful. Yes we need a development director in this county to properly look at all the options on any new stadium either in Pairc Tailteann or somewhere else. We are one of the biggest counties in Ireland beside Dublin with hundreds of companies, Some multinationals one in the town itself in Tara Mines. Yet we are looking to levy the clubs to pay for a stand is madness and thoroughly lazy from the Co Board. Lack of business sense or ambition. We should approach Pat Gilroy or John Costello to come and give us a hand. They must be rolling around in stitches at the state of us at the moment. The further we fall the easier it is for Dublin to win All Irelands. Not a delegate in Meath under the age of 60 that's the real problem old man's club. latouche25 (Meath) - Posts: 520 - 03/11/2017 01:22:47 2059938 Link
Replying To latouche25: "Pairs Tailteann should have been sold during the boom times and a proper stadium built in Dunganny with 2 other pitches. Lots of room for parking and ease of access. It should still be done. The land in Pairc Tailteann is worth a fortune and the money raised from its sale would go a long way towards a state of the art new stadium that would last well into this century or even the next. The myth that Pairc Tailteann is the home of football is crazy. It was the show grounds up until the late 30's. The next generation of footballers and hurlers will see a new stadium as the home of Meath GAA. We need to get out of the past and start looking to the future. On a big football day it's impossible to get near the place and the town is choked with traffic. To put this proposal forward and now to levy the clubs almost 7000 euro per annum is disgraceful. Yes we need a development director in this county to properly look at all the options on any new stadium either in Pairc Tailteann or somewhere else. We are one of the biggest counties in Ireland beside Dublin with hundreds of companies, Some multinationals one in the town itself in Tara Mines. Yet we are looking to levy the clubs to pay for a stand is madness and thoroughly lazy from the Co Board. Lack of business sense or ambition. We should approach Pat Gilroy or John Costello to come and give us a hand. They must be rolling around in stitches at the state of us at the moment. The further we fall the easier it is for Dublin to win All Irelands. Not a delegate in Meath under the age of 60 that's the real problem old man's club." Build a stadium in Dunganny.....that makes real sense alright. Ludicrous. The vast majority of County Grounds are located in established sites in most county towns/second towns. I struggle to think of any provincal type venue which is not difficult to get to or heavily congested on match days. Pairc Tailteann is located in an ideal location in terms of road connection ( only a few hundred M3 from the M3 spur or circular road for old N3. Railway line to the back of the site (not Meath GAA fault the railway is closed) One of the only provincial ground's I know where you can actually park within the ground. The footprint of the site can be consolidated to provide a more compact stadium but the relocation to a dead end place miles from any town is even embarrassing to consider Royalio11 (Meath) - Posts: 757 - 03/11/2017 20:16:32 2060234 Link
Replying To latouche25: "Pairs Tailteann should have been sold during the boom times and a proper stadium built in Dunganny with 2 other pitches. Lots of room for parking and ease of access. It should still be done. The land in Pairc Tailteann is worth a fortune and the money raised from its sale would go a long way towards a state of the art new stadium that would last well into this century or even the next. The myth that Pairc Tailteann is the home of football is crazy. It was the show grounds up until the late 30's. The next generation of footballers and hurlers will see a new stadium as the home of Meath GAA. We need to get out of the past and start looking to the future. On a big football day it's impossible to get near the place and the town is choked with traffic. To put this proposal forward and now to levy the clubs almost 7000 euro per annum is disgraceful. Yes we need a development director in this county to properly look at all the options on any new stadium either in Pairc Tailteann or somewhere else. We are one of the biggest counties in Ireland beside Dublin with hundreds of companies, Some multinationals one in the town itself in Tara Mines. Yet we are looking to levy the clubs to pay for a stand is madness and thoroughly lazy from the Co Board. Lack of business sense or ambition. We should approach Pat Gilroy or John Costello to come and give us a hand. They must be rolling around in stitches at the state of us at the moment. The further we fall the easier it is for Dublin to win All Irelands. Not a delegate in Meath under the age of 60 that's the real problem old man's club." Selling PT is a non runner and was struck out as an option due to relocating to a remote area away from the facilities a town like Navan has to offer, potential planning issues and costs associated with being levied for services such as road improvements, sewage etc and the overall cost as building on a greenfield site would be cost prohibitive as opposed to developing what we have. The existing site is one of the few county grounds in the country that has scope to be redeveloped and as mentioned one of the few that has onsite parking and quick access to a motorway. Even on the busiest of days I have always got parking in Navan and most of the time not too far from the ground. Liam Mulvihill, the man behind redeveloping Croke Park, is associated with the project which is expertise enough. John Costelloe has no drive or intention of building a county ground in his own county of Dublin so why in Gods name would we want him about the place. Our current location is plenty good enough so lets sort the financing in a way that's agreeable to everyone and get moving. Remember the clubs all voted to redevelop PT knowing there would be financial implications of some degree on them as a consequence so making those financial implications fair to all should be worked on as a priority so the project can move ahead. We have yet to hear what other fundraising the County Board have planned or exactly what funding is coming from Central and Leinster Councils and possibly other Government agencies so perhaps lets see what exactly we have to bring to the table ourselves before we get overly excited. Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 04/11/2017 01:20:17 2060337 Link
Replying To Richieq: "Selling PT is a non runner and was struck out as an option due to relocating to a remote area away from the facilities a town like Navan has to offer, potential planning issues and costs associated with being levied for services such as road improvements, sewage etc and the overall cost as building on a greenfield site would be cost prohibitive as opposed to developing what we have. The existing site is one of the few county grounds in the country that has scope to be redeveloped and as mentioned one of the few that has onsite parking and quick access to a motorway. Even on the busiest of days I have always got parking in Navan and most of the time not too far from the ground. Liam Mulvihill, the man behind redeveloping Croke Park, is associated with the project which is expertise enough. John Costelloe has no drive or intention of building a county ground in his own county of Dublin so why in Gods name would we want him about the place. Our current location is plenty good enough so lets sort the financing in a way that's agreeable to everyone and get moving. Remember the clubs all voted to redevelop PT knowing there would be financial implications of some degree on them as a consequence so making those financial implications fair to all should be worked on as a priority so the project can move ahead. We have yet to hear what other fundraising the County Board have planned or exactly what funding is coming from Central and Leinster Councils and possibly other Government agencies so perhaps lets see what exactly we have to bring to the table ourselves before we get overly excited." Great realistic post. I believe when Dunganny was first proposed there was a plan to develop a new stadium there at the expense of selling PT. This plan was abandoned and rightly so. How could we justify building a stadium with no suitable infrastructure in place. PT is probably one of if not the best site for a stadium development in the country. Load of room, great parking, easy access to the M3 and within easy walking distance of Navan town. I for one can't wait to see it redeveloped. Lonetone (Meath) - Posts: 11 - 04/11/2017 05:03:02 2060348 Link
Your absolutely correct John Costello has no ambition to build a stadium in Dublin. He already has Parnell park, and another little place called Croke park you might have heard of it. Of course they now have Abbotstown as well. But you stick to your idea that Pairc Tailteann is the only option and well be grand. latouche25 (Meath) - Posts: 520 - 04/11/2017 21:30:18 2060499 Link
Replying To Lonetone: "Great realistic post. I believe when Dunganny was first proposed there was a plan to develop a new stadium there at the expense of selling PT. This plan was abandoned and rightly so. How could we justify building a stadium with no suitable infrastructure in place. PT is probably one of if not the best site for a stadium development in the country. Load of room, great parking, easy access to the M3 and within easy walking distance of Navan town. I for one can't wait to see it redeveloped." Yes, and near the hospital too. I'm sure many a West Ham fan wishes they had never left Upton Park (now demolished). Football clubs/grounds are best located in the heart of a communities. GlasagusOr (Meath) - Posts: 1348 - 05/11/2017 15:06:34 2060594 Link
Replying To latouche25: "Your absolutely correct John Costello has no ambition to build a stadium in Dublin. He already has Parnell park, and another little place called Croke park you might have heard of it. Of course they now have Abbotstown as well. But you stick to your idea that Pairc Tailteann is the only option and well be grand." Yeah well Parnell Park is cramped and not fit for purpose and Croke Park is not Dublin's home ground nor should it be treated as such but because it's Dublin they are allowed to run riot in the place, the fact is Dublin do not have a fit for purpose ground to call their own and Abbotstown is supposed to be for everyone. I will stick to my opinion that we should always remain in PT and develop it as best we can and unless someone comes up with a viable alternative that will always be my opinion Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 05/11/2017 15:09:16 2060597 Link
Has there been any images or plans released yet of any of the proposed development? Any word on who the architects might be etc? House_Royal (Meath) - Posts: 14 - 05/11/2017 23:37:46 2060680 Link
Replying To House_Royal: "Has there been any images or plans released yet of any of the proposed development? Any word on who the architects might be etc?" I was on the Meath Co Co planning section last week (where you can view any submissions). Nothing (current) in there as yet from Meath GAA... http://www.eplanning.ie/MeathCC/searchtypes BarneysTie (Meath) - Posts: 258 - 06/11/2017 14:04:59 2060775 Link