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Replying To bert09: ""Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair! Nothing beside remains. Round the decay Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare The lone and level sands stretch far away."" After last watching that display last Sunday Bert, you could tack on the line.. "Abandon all hope ye who enter here" TobinsBeard (Meath) - Posts: 125 - 10/02/2017 12:51:17 1954349 Link
Any news from the big meeting in Dunganny last night about the development of PT? Royal_Gunner (Meath) - Posts: 534 - 24/03/2017 08:15:32 1970594 Link
Replying To Royal_Gunner: "Any news from the big meeting in Dunganny last night about the development of PT?" Plan is to build a 20,000 capacity stadium on the same footprint of the current stadium. Firstly would be construction of a new stand with a capacity of 7000 seats at a cost of €15m. due to the obvious lack of funds this would be phased. Phase one is would be the construction of half that stand with capacity of 3500 costing 9m Plan now is to proceed with planning and a masterplan to be submitted by year end. that alone will cost €300,000. Theheinoking (Meath) - Posts: 128 - 24/03/2017 09:14:37 1970603 Link
Replying To Theheinoking: "Plan is to build a 20,000 capacity stadium on the same footprint of the current stadium. Firstly would be construction of a new stand with a capacity of 7000 seats at a cost of €15m. due to the obvious lack of funds this would be phased. Phase one is would be the construction of half that stand with capacity of 3500 costing 9m Plan now is to proceed with planning and a masterplan to be submitted by year end. that alone will cost €300,000." Big money involved by the sound of it and whilst it's very positive to hear such news I wonder at making the stand redevelopment as phase one for the reason that whilst that work would take place the only operational part of the ground would be the terrace seeing as the two goal ends have been closed since 2011. This means we would have no seating accommodation or no covered accommodation available during the redevelopment of the stand not to mention dressing rooms, I wonder are there any plans for temporary seating or covered accommodation during these works? And of course temporary changing rooms and associated facilities? Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 24/03/2017 10:24:15 1970629 Link
Replying To Richieq: "Big money involved by the sound of it and whilst it's very positive to hear such news I wonder at making the stand redevelopment as phase one for the reason that whilst that work would take place the only operational part of the ground would be the terrace seeing as the two goal ends have been closed since 2011. This means we would have no seating accommodation or no covered accommodation available during the redevelopment of the stand not to mention dressing rooms, I wonder are there any plans for temporary seating or covered accommodation during these works? And of course temporary changing rooms and associated facilities?" The question wasn't asked last night and in hindsight its a good one. I'm not sure if there is a plan in place during the construction or at worst (and it is a high possibility) that PT is officially condemned. Massive money involved. Unfortunately Meath Gaels are going to have to put their hands in their pockets for this one if its to be reality. Clubs are on dire straits themselves around the county between Dunganny levies and their own developments it can't fall back on them to stumb up the cash. Construction costs, inflation etc are only going up. In fairness Meath is a wealthy county, we have find new avenues or incentives for fundraising. There was no doubt in the room last night that this was needed and got full support but at what cost to the county and clubs. Theheinoking (Meath) - Posts: 128 - 24/03/2017 11:16:59 1970653 Link
Seems like a serious amount of cash for very few seats. Per seat is over 2k cost. Is the construction going to be based on redeveloping the existing or Demolish and start from ground level. Id personally prefer a steel structure with some modern cladding, not the concrete setup that haunts every gaa stand. Quick to install and cheaper. Irish_downunder (Meath) - Posts: 630 - 24/03/2017 11:35:38 1970656 Link
Replying To Irish_downunder: "Seems like a serious amount of cash for very few seats. Per seat is over 2k cost. Is the construction going to be based on redeveloping the existing or Demolish and start from ground level. Id personally prefer a steel structure with some modern cladding, not the concrete setup that haunts every gaa stand. Quick to install and cheaper." Wholeheartedly agree, when you see how quick new stands at venues in England can be built using steel frame construction it seems a no brainer but as you say such developments here have always been concrete based. It does seem expensive and when you consider the new stand in MacHale Park, Castlebar stood them about €15-16 milllion (including a new press box opposite) and has a capacity of about 10'000 this must be a pretty impressive stand being planned, however we all want improvements God knows we have waited long enough to enjoy watching our teams in some sort of comfort. I doubt the existing structure could be reused in any way due to its steepness and overall crapability and at the figures been mentioned I think it's safe to assume this is a totally new build, I do know that safely removing and disposing of the asbestos sheeting on the current stand will be a time consuming and costly exercise and will have to be complete before wholesale demolition takes place Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 24/03/2017 13:36:10 1970694 Link
From what I hear 4k seater new stand costing 9m. 20k capacity would cost 16m but that is ti finish the job seems to me a better deal The Old stand has to come down as pitch is not the required width and new stand is to moved be 15 metres back and the terrace side needs to move onto the present pitch to allow room for planning on that side. Also Navan is 10m too short in length which suprised me My info is that clubs are levied 1k per year for Dunganny this is small money compared to other "expenses" clubs pay out most pay that much to a manager each month. Clubs in Cavan, Kildare and Louth pony up 3 or 4 times that to Hawkfield Daver and Breffni. No matter what the County Board goes for Clubs will be stumping up closer to what our neighbours do. numberedjerseys (USA) - Posts: 348 - 24/03/2017 14:30:14 1970714 Link
Replying To Richieq: "Wholeheartedly agree, when you see how quick new stands at venues in England can be built using steel frame construction it seems a no brainer but as you say such developments here have always been concrete based. It does seem expensive and when you consider the new stand in MacHale Park, Castlebar stood them about €15-16 milllion (including a new press box opposite) and has a capacity of about 10'000 this must be a pretty impressive stand being planned, however we all want improvements God knows we have waited long enough to enjoy watching our teams in some sort of comfort. I doubt the existing structure could be reused in any way due to its steepness and overall crapability and at the figures been mentioned I think it's safe to assume this is a totally new build, I do know that safely removing and disposing of the asbestos sheeting on the current stand will be a time consuming and costly exercise and will have to be complete before wholesale demolition takes place" I think they made a mess of the stand at McHale Park to be honest. No modern stand should have any seats that could be classed as restricted view like they do. GlasgowRoyal (Meath) - Posts: 293 - 24/03/2017 15:28:30 1970733 Link
Replying To GlasgowRoyal: "I think they made a mess of the stand at McHale Park to be honest. No modern stand should have any seats that could be classed as restricted view like they do." Agreed, no need for supporting pillars in this day and age Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 24/03/2017 17:58:30 1970777 Link
Replying To numberedjerseys: "From what I hear 4k seater new stand costing 9m. 20k capacity would cost 16m but that is ti finish the job seems to me a better deal The Old stand has to come down as pitch is not the required width and new stand is to moved be 15 metres back and the terrace side needs to move onto the present pitch to allow room for planning on that side. Also Navan is 10m too short in length which suprised me My info is that clubs are levied 1k per year for Dunganny this is small money compared to other "expenses" clubs pay out most pay that much to a manager each month. Clubs in Cavan, Kildare and Louth pony up 3 or 4 times that to Hawkfield Daver and Breffni. No matter what the County Board goes for Clubs will be stumping up closer to what our neighbours do." I'm very surprised to hear that PT is too short, would never have thought that. It was my understanding that the amount clubs pay in levies towards the Dunganny job is based on your grade, i.e senior clubs pay most, then intermediate and then junior, maybe that changed since but that was my original understanding. Would be useful to know what the overall plan is for PT such as what they hope to do with existing terrace and the goal ends, anyone at meeting last night see any plans on those areas?? Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 24/03/2017 18:11:03 1970779 Link
Replying To Irish_downunder: "Seems like a serious amount of cash for very few seats. Per seat is over 2k cost. Is the construction going to be based on redeveloping the existing or Demolish and start from ground level. Id personally prefer a steel structure with some modern cladding, not the concrete setup that haunts every gaa stand. Quick to install and cheaper." Wholeheartedly agree, when you see how quick new stands at venues in England can be built using steel frame construction it seems a no brainer but as you say such developments here have always been concrete based. It does seem expensive and when you consider the new stand in MacHale Park, Castlebar stood them about €15-16 milllion (including a new press box opposite) and has a capacity of about 10'000 this must be a pretty impressive stand being planned, however we all want improvements God knows we have waited long enough to enjoy watching our teams in some sort of comfort. I doubt the existing structure could be reused in any way due to its steepness and overall crapability and at the figures been mentioned I think it's safe to assume this is a totally new build, I do know that safely removing and disposing of the asbestos sheeting on the current stand will be a time consuming and costly exercise and will have to be complete before wholesale demolition takes place Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 24/03/2017 19:04:19 1970796 Link
'The Old stand has to come down as pitch is not the required width and new stand is to moved be 15 metres back and the terrace side needs to move onto the present pitch to allow room for planning on that side. Also Navan is 10m too short in length which suprised me' As far as I know the playing area is the same width as Croke park - which is close to maximum width of 90m which you can see thru google, the minimum is 80m. The length is between 140 and 145m- maybe 141-the maximum is 145m (and minimum is 130m). You are correct in that the area is too small and to comply with safety there should be 5m all around the pitch between playing area and fencing. Hopefully, when all is finished everyone can be proud of the grounds as it has a very interesting history and is in a very good location traffic wise being very close to the motorway and yet in the town. browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 25/03/2017 10:55:13 1970893 Link
So is it the case that the pitch (as in the playing area between the 4 lines) isn't too small, but the overall grass area is too small? That makes more sense, since there's probably regulations for minimum stand to pitch distance and the likes. A look on google maps has the pitch closer to the maximum allowed dimensions than the minimum. CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1643 - 25/03/2017 18:00:19 1970979 Link
Hope the new stand is nothing like cusack park, tighter than linford christies cycling shorts royal69er (Meath) - Posts: 96 - 02/04/2017 21:43:47 1974454 Link
Spent the entire match with my knees in the back of the woman in front of me with the knees from the guys behind me in my back. The stand nust have been designed for children Royal_Gunner (Meath) - Posts: 534 - 03/04/2017 09:13:55 1974584 Link
Only a passing interest in this one as I'm not a Meath man but I'm surprised that I haven't seen a few more Meath posters here concerned about the level of money being put into a stand that will only see use a handful of times a year. Would the money not be better off channeled into developing players of the future first and foremost? We'd all love new stands and up to date facilities and I'm not saying it shouldn't be the aspiration but I have the very same opinion as regards to Kildare's plight. Our stand and ground are as basic as they come but if suffices in my view and I'd much rather see more kids getting coachin and the like than having a spanking new stand soaking up the money whilst sitting idle most of the year. Not a dig at all lads just an observation JJ1 (Kildare) - Posts: 547 - 04/04/2017 13:28:24 1975398 Link
Replying To JJ1: "Only a passing interest in this one as I'm not a Meath man but I'm surprised that I haven't seen a few more Meath posters here concerned about the level of money being put into a stand that will only see use a handful of times a year. Would the money not be better off channeled into developing players of the future first and foremost? We'd all love new stands and up to date facilities and I'm not saying it shouldn't be the aspiration but I have the very same opinion as regards to Kildare's plight. Our stand and ground are as basic as they come but if suffices in my view and I'd much rather see more kids getting coachin and the like than having a spanking new stand soaking up the money whilst sitting idle most of the year. Not a dig at all lads just an observation" I'd agree with you 100% but there might be an issue even in the short term as it could be condemned (asbestos roof for example). In the case, the county grounds would be Ashbourne or Trim which are too small. Would we go some time without county grounds? I think proper coaching is vital and for that we need a large number of qualified coaches working in the county. However, i'd imagine that there are many who would place more importance on having a decent county grounds. Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1318 - 04/04/2017 13:45:11 1975410 Link
Replying To JJ1: "Only a passing interest in this one as I'm not a Meath man but I'm surprised that I haven't seen a few more Meath posters here concerned about the level of money being put into a stand that will only see use a handful of times a year. Would the money not be better off channeled into developing players of the future first and foremost? We'd all love new stands and up to date facilities and I'm not saying it shouldn't be the aspiration but I have the very same opinion as regards to Kildare's plight. Our stand and ground are as basic as they come but if suffices in my view and I'd much rather see more kids getting coachin and the like than having a spanking new stand soaking up the money whilst sitting idle most of the year. Not a dig at all lads just an observation" I believe the figure involved is for more than just the stand but I will stand corrected when the full plans and costings are revealed, its a lot of money no doubt but this needs to be done as there is a real threat, as said before, that Pairc Tailteann could be condemned in the very near future. The positives are that a redeveloped stadium will give us the ability to host more games. Pairc Tailteann is losing out on games, and as a consequence revenue, due to its poor condition and as it is the only venue in that part of Leinster that has the scope to be redeveloped into a fit for purpose stadium of suitable capacity (circa 20'000) it is fair to presume that it will be allocated its fair share of neutral games when redeveloped. At present we have a two sided stadium since the grass banks were closed and the parts that are open are clearly not fit for purpose, I have seen at recent games the difficulty people have negotiating the steep steps of the stand and getting in and out of seats, the toilets are insufficient in number and of poor quality both in the stand and the terrace opposite and the facilities for the media are basic at best. In short the whole ground falls well short of standards expected in 2017 both in terms of safety and comfort for everyone concerned and is far from being family friendly or friendly towards our disabled patrons either. At this point it also appears evident that structural integrity of the stand itself is rapidly decreasing which is not surprising seeing as its been in place since the 1950's with little alteration or improvement carried out since. Certainly I want sufficient monies allocated to coaching and underage structures but we also need facilities to match and give our players, mentors and supporters a home ground we can all be proud and that provides the facilities needed to attract games in a safe and comfortable environment and that encourages people of all ages to attend our games which the present facility does not. Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 04/04/2017 14:58:20 1975459 Link
Replying To JJ1: "Only a passing interest in this one as I'm not a Meath man but I'm surprised that I haven't seen a few more Meath posters here concerned about the level of money being put into a stand that will only see use a handful of times a year. Would the money not be better off channeled into developing players of the future first and foremost? We'd all love new stands and up to date facilities and I'm not saying it shouldn't be the aspiration but I have the very same opinion as regards to Kildare's plight. Our stand and ground are as basic as they come but if suffices in my view and I'd much rather see more kids getting coachin and the like than having a spanking new stand soaking up the money whilst sitting idle most of the year. Not a dig at all lads just an observation" It's a fair observation JJ, and we have to be very careful how we proceed with this development because as you say we'd all love to have top facilities but not if it's going to plunge our county into debt and/or compromise our underage structures. The trouble with Pairc Tailteann is (and realistically Kildare are in the same boat with St. Conleth's Park) that it's in terrible condition and there's a real possibility of health and safety condemning the place, leaving us with no suitable capacity home ground. We have to do something about the place at some stage, hopefully we can get it sorted soon and without much hassle. As a matter of interest are Kildare planning any re-development in Newbridge? Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 04/04/2017 15:11:55 1975475 Link