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Replying To clondalkindub: "It's only the wrong option if he misses he didn't miss , O Gara was through against Donegal in '14 he went for the unselfish pass to Brogan he messed it up he should of been selfish and went for it himself, now was he still right to pass?
Posters are nit picking here about Austin , the man is a freak and you should just enjoy what he does cause he does it better than most." Eoghan O'Gara is a very average player. He could neither execute the pass or shot. He has improved his skill set a little since emerging in 2010 but he couldn't solo a football then.
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Replying To Laois76: "Eoghan O'Gara is a very average player. He could neither execute the pass or shot. He has improved his skill set a little since emerging in 2010 but he couldn't solo a football then." Austin Gleeson is one of the greatest Waterford have had, but who do you compare him to..Tony Browne?..Ken McGrath and Dan Shanahan back in the mid 1990's when they came on the scene..Paul Flynn...Eoin Kelly...Waterford have had excellent hurlers over the years but have been fierce unlucky, but I suppose that's sport...
Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 15/08/2017 14:08:51
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Replying To Laois76: "Well said Tiobraid.
Do you know 2 great young players equally as effective as Gleeson and 2 yrs younger?
John McGrath Tipp. What an intelligent player with great skill.
Conor Whelan Galway. Great team player." John McGrath and Whelan are two great forwards but Gleeson is in a different class to them , Gleeson has it all any skill you need in hurling Gleeson has it , again I've never seen anyone this young this good.
So O Gara is brutal that's you're opinion on that fair enough , 4 All Ireland medal would say he's not to bad and one of his greatest assets is his goal scoring.
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 15/08/2017 14:21:30
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Gleeson has all the skill in the world. If you define greatness by skill level alone then that's fine but for me it's about skill and what you contribute to the team and refining your ability to maximise it's contribution to the teams betterment.
Gleeson has yet to master that vital element for me in order to be considered for greatness.
Still has time though.
catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 15/08/2017 14:58:37
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Replying To catch22: "Gleeson has all the skill in the world. If you define greatness by skill level alone then that's fine but for me it's about skill and what you contribute to the team and refining your ability to maximise it's contribution to the teams betterment.
Gleeson has yet to master that vital element for me in order to be considered for greatness.
Still has time though." Jesus what a load of bs that post is.
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 15/08/2017 15:07:25
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Replying To clondalkindub: "John McGrath and Whelan are two great forwards but Gleeson is in a different class to them , Gleeson has it all any skill you need in hurling Gleeson has it , again I've never seen anyone this young this good.
So O Gara is brutal that's you're opinion on that fair enough , 4 All Ireland medal would say he's not to bad and one of his greatest assets is his goal scoring." Ah this is getting tiresome Clondalkin. Just because a player has every skill imaginable doesn't make him a great player. As outlined by most posters here Gleeson is selfish on the ball, has poor shot selection, is petulant and not a team player.
If you look up youtube videos of freestyle soccer players they have every skill under the sun, are they better players than Messi, Ronaldo, Paolo Maldini, Maradona etc, absolutely not.
Eoghan O'Gara has 3 all-ireland medals, he missed the 2015 season with a cruciate knee injury. Dublin attempt to use him in a Kieran Donaghy like manner but he's very much the poor man's Kieran Donaghy. Dublin's top skilled forwards are Bernard Brogan, Paul Mannion, Paul Flynn at his height, Diarmuid Connolly to name but a few. Eoghan O'Gara is strong and athletic and has improved but he's not a quality top notch skillful footballer or player. I'm sure he's a very dedicated player and through committment can make a difference.
If you were to look at the influence of John McGrath or Conor Whelan on games for their teams it's easily as much as Austin Gleeson exerts on Waterford. John McGrath's goal against Galway was a thing of beauty.
When Austin Gleeson stops getting involved in silly disciplinary issues, isn't taken off in 2 or 3 major championship matches within 12 months, plays ball to team mates in better positions and stops being self indulgent i'll call him a great player. Having every skill is not enough.
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Replying To Laois76: "Ah this is getting tiresome Clondalkin. Just because a player has every skill imaginable doesn't make him a great player. As outlined by most posters here Gleeson is selfish on the ball, has poor shot selection, is petulant and not a team player.
If you look up youtube videos of freestyle soccer players they have every skill under the sun, are they better players than Messi, Ronaldo, Paolo Maldini, Maradona etc, absolutely not.
Eoghan O'Gara has 3 all-ireland medals, he missed the 2015 season with a cruciate knee injury. Dublin attempt to use him in a Kieran Donaghy like manner but he's very much the poor man's Kieran Donaghy. Dublin's top skilled forwards are Bernard Brogan, Paul Mannion, Paul Flynn at his height, Diarmuid Connolly to name but a few. Eoghan O'Gara is strong and athletic and has improved but he's not a quality top notch skillful footballer or player. I'm sure he's a very dedicated player and through committment can make a difference.
If you were to look at the influence of John McGrath or Conor Whelan on games for their teams it's easily as much as Austin Gleeson exerts on Waterford. John McGrath's goal against Galway was a thing of beauty.
When Austin Gleeson stops getting involved in silly disciplinary issues, isn't taken off in 2 or 3 major championship matches within 12 months, plays ball to team mates in better positions and stops being self indulgent i'll call him a great player. Having every skill is not enough." Please stop saying John McGrath and Conor Whelan have the same influence on their teams they don't and never will.
Gleeson is Waterford's main man the intercounty players of Ireland thought the same thing last year (poty) when he totally dominated kilkenny in two classic semi finals . He ran amok so much that Rory stories did a brilliant video of pretending to be Gleeson catching a ball (basically taking the piss how easy it was for him) he has skill but it's his greatness that has waterford winning All Ireland's.
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 15/08/2017 15:20:11
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Also a lot being mentioned about Gleeson's age. He turned 22 in June. Well time he matured given his first championship season was 2014, this is his 4th season.
John McGrath is only on his second season and a more rounded player. Conor Whelan is only 20 and has played like a fella in his mid 20s since he arrived on the senior scene as an 18 year old. I saw JJ Delaney play corner back at 19 and at 20 be an outstanding wing back. Tommy Walsh had his wing back slot nailed down at 21 and was as good then as at 26. Joe Canning was an amazing player at 19 years, destroying the Rock in 2008. DJ Carey was mesmeric at 19 in the 1990 all-ireland U21 final against Tipp. Brian Whelehan was on top of his game as a 19 year old by the Leinster Final of 1990 against Kilkenny. DJ subbed off him after 20 min.
So why at 22 years of age is Austin Gleeson given a free pass and benefit of the doubt that the poor parts of his game are due to his young age?? All the greats were as good as they ever were at that age bar maybe Henry. But Henry at 22/23 was taking Seanie McMahon of Clare apart in an all-ireland final in 2002 and not far off his peak.
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Replying To clondalkindub: "Please stop saying John McGrath and Conor Whelan have the same influence on their teams they don't and never will.
Gleeson is Waterford's main man the intercounty players of Ireland thought the same thing last year (poty) when he totally dominated kilkenny in two classic semi finals . He ran amok so much that Rory stories did a brilliant video of pretending to be Gleeson catching a ball (basically taking the piss how easy it was for him) he has skill but it's his greatness that has waterford winning All Ireland's." You must still be reading Roy of the Rovers!! What has what Rory's Stories got to do with anything about great players??!! WTF?!
It was a controversial vote last year. Really Callinan or more especially Paudie Maher should have got POTY. The vote split between those 2 players allowing Gleeson get the nod.
Don't get me wrong we are all enchanted by his amazing skill set but he is far from the complete article. Very far from it. If he was in Tipp or KK he'd be left on the sideline for a bit like John O'Dwyer last year and it might sort him out.
Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 15/08/2017 15:32:47
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Replying To clondalkindub: "Please stop saying John McGrath and Conor Whelan have the same influence on their teams they don't and never will.
Gleeson is Waterford's main man the intercounty players of Ireland thought the same thing last year (poty) when he totally dominated kilkenny in two classic semi finals . He ran amok so much that Rory stories did a brilliant video of pretending to be Gleeson catching a ball (basically taking the piss how easy it was for him) he has skill but it's his greatness that has waterford winning All Ireland's." Jamie Barron is their main man this year. Gleeson was subbed off v Cork.
Seriously man do you watch the game and full pitch? Are your binoculars on Austin Gleeson permanently. You're missing an awful lot of basic stuff.
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Replying To clondalkindub: "Jesus what a load of bs that post is." Yeh , I'm sure it is bs to a genius like you who cannot bare to not have posters agree with everything you contribute which , lets face it is all about attention seeking.
What's so bs about it ?
Your referencing of Rory's to try and back up your assertion of greatness is probably lost on you though.
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Replying To KK1926: "Jamie Barron is their main man this year. Gleeson was subbed off v Cork.
Seriously man do you watch the game and full pitch? Are your binoculars on Austin Gleeson permanently. You're missing an awful lot of basic stuff." Jamie Barron has been outstanding this year really good no doubt about it , I'm watching it man, Brick legs might be gone but he's still a massive influence on Waterford , Moran was brilliant on Sunday aswell , young Bennett up front has all the ability but he's finding it very tough to get in the game cause he's always outnumbered but he's working his socks off for the team. I watch it all and again never seen anyone this young this great.
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 15/08/2017 15:51:45
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Replying To clondalkindub: "Please stop saying John McGrath and Conor Whelan have the same influence on their teams they don't and never will.
Gleeson is Waterford's main man the intercounty players of Ireland thought the same thing last year (poty) when he totally dominated kilkenny in two classic semi finals . He ran amok so much that Rory stories did a brilliant video of pretending to be Gleeson catching a ball (basically taking the piss how easy it was for him) he has skill but it's his greatness that has waterford winning All Ireland's." Im really not getting this. YES he was player of the year LAST YEAR. So this tread is about greatness isnt it. So here are the facts. Subbed in the cork game in MSSF as was completely out of the game. Only came into the game on sunday when Cahalane was sent off. Made a complete meal for the first Yellow for cahalane and realistically shouldnt have been on the field him self. So what makes him great or even suggests he will be great. How do you define greatness. He has a great skill set and if i wanted a player to go into a free style competition then he would possibly be my pick. But this is a game of hurling. Its a team sport. And reality is for a team sport he is poor. He didnt contribute to waterford in any meaningful way on sunday till the last 10 mins. He has shocking shot selection missing more than he scores. He goes for glory and ingnores a player in a better position than him self. Is petulant and not blessed with great vision and awareness. So what makes him great. In my opinion AS A TEAM PLAYER he is average at best. Great players perform consistently. Brian Corcoran/Brian Whealan/ Joe Deane/Ken Mc Grath. They perform as a team. Look at Canning in the Leinster Final. Poor game by his standards yet got through mountains of work and set up scores. The commentators said it them selves 20 mins in to the game the last day Gleeson hadnt pucked a ball. And great players make the correct decision 90% of the time. Sheflin/ Carey / Walsh.
So to close this out ask your self this question. You can pick any of these five players all in their prime for an all ireland final which would you pick.
Sheflin
Tommy Walsh
Ken MC Grath
Bonner Maher
Austin Gleeson.
Reality is Gleeson would be your fifth pick not your first. Instead of worrying about his greatness maybe Gleeson would be better concentrating on cementing down a place on this team. The reason he is so versatile is he isnt Vital in any position. And the reason he isnt great is that he isnt even the greatest player in the current Waterford team.
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Replying To ritchie: "Im really not getting this. YES he was player of the year LAST YEAR. So this tread is about greatness isnt it. So here are the facts. Subbed in the cork game in MSSF as was completely out of the game. Only came into the game on sunday when Cahalane was sent off. Made a complete meal for the first Yellow for cahalane and realistically shouldnt have been on the field him self. So what makes him great or even suggests he will be great. How do you define greatness. He has a great skill set and if i wanted a player to go into a free style competition then he would possibly be my pick. But this is a game of hurling. Its a team sport. And reality is for a team sport he is poor. He didnt contribute to waterford in any meaningful way on sunday till the last 10 mins. He has shocking shot selection missing more than he scores. He goes for glory and ingnores a player in a better position than him self. Is petulant and not blessed with great vision and awareness. So what makes him great. In my opinion AS A TEAM PLAYER he is average at best. Great players perform consistently. Brian Corcoran/Brian Whealan/ Joe Deane/Ken Mc Grath. They perform as a team. Look at Canning in the Leinster Final. Poor game by his standards yet got through mountains of work and set up scores. The commentators said it them selves 20 mins in to the game the last day Gleeson hadnt pucked a ball. And great players make the correct decision 90% of the time. Sheflin/ Carey / Walsh.
So to close this out ask your self this question. You can pick any of these five players all in their prime for an all ireland final which would you pick.
Sheflin
Tommy Walsh
Ken MC Grath
Bonner Maher
Austin Gleeson.
Reality is Gleeson would be your fifth pick not your first. Instead of worrying about his greatness maybe Gleeson would be better concentrating on cementing down a place on this team. The reason he is so versatile is he isnt Vital in any position. And the reason he isnt great is that he isnt even the greatest player in the current Waterford team." I'd pick Gleeson first every time.
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 15/08/2017 16:14:51
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Replying To clondalkindub: " Replying To ritchie: "Im really not getting this. YES he was player of the year LAST YEAR. So this tread is about greatness isnt it. So here are the facts. Subbed in the cork game in MSSF as was completely out of the game. Only came into the game on sunday when Cahalane was sent off. Made a complete meal for the first Yellow for cahalane and realistically shouldnt have been on the field him self. So what makes him great or even suggests he will be great. How do you define greatness. He has a great skill set and if i wanted a player to go into a free style competition then he would possibly be my pick. But this is a game of hurling. Its a team sport. And reality is for a team sport he is poor. He didnt contribute to waterford in any meaningful way on sunday till the last 10 mins. He has shocking shot selection missing more than he scores. He goes for glory and ingnores a player in a better position than him self. Is petulant and not blessed with great vision and awareness. So what makes him great. In my opinion AS A TEAM PLAYER he is average at best. Great players perform consistently. Brian Corcoran/Brian Whealan/ Joe Deane/Ken Mc Grath. They perform as a team. Look at Canning in the Leinster Final. Poor game by his standards yet got through mountains of work and set up scores. The commentators said it them selves 20 mins in to the game the last day Gleeson hadnt pucked a ball. And great players make the correct decision 90% of the time. Sheflin/ Carey / Walsh.
So to close this out ask your self this question. You can pick any of these five players all in their prime for an all ireland final which would you pick.
Sheflin
Tommy Walsh
Ken MC Grath
Bonner Maher
Austin Gleeson.
Reality is Gleeson would be your fifth pick not your first. Instead of worrying about his greatness maybe Gleeson would be better concentrating on cementing down a place on this team. The reason he is so versatile is he isnt Vital in any position. And the reason he isnt great is that he isnt even the greatest player in the current Waterford team." I'd pick Gleeson first every time."
It's pretty daft though, picking a loose canon hurler over fellas who'll do the right thing 9 times out of 10.
Think this thread should be renamed from 'Austin Gleeson Potentially the Greatest' to 'I Love Austin Gleeson' as the boy can do no wrong in your eyes.
KK1926 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 15/08/2017 16:46:22
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Replying To ritchie: "Im really not getting this. YES he was player of the year LAST YEAR. So this tread is about greatness isnt it. So here are the facts. Subbed in the cork game in MSSF as was completely out of the game. Only came into the game on sunday when Cahalane was sent off. Made a complete meal for the first Yellow for cahalane and realistically shouldnt have been on the field him self. So what makes him great or even suggests he will be great. How do you define greatness. He has a great skill set and if i wanted a player to go into a free style competition then he would possibly be my pick. But this is a game of hurling. Its a team sport. And reality is for a team sport he is poor. He didnt contribute to waterford in any meaningful way on sunday till the last 10 mins. He has shocking shot selection missing more than he scores. He goes for glory and ingnores a player in a better position than him self. Is petulant and not blessed with great vision and awareness. So what makes him great. In my opinion AS A TEAM PLAYER he is average at best. Great players perform consistently. Brian Corcoran/Brian Whealan/ Joe Deane/Ken Mc Grath. They perform as a team. Look at Canning in the Leinster Final. Poor game by his standards yet got through mountains of work and set up scores. The commentators said it them selves 20 mins in to the game the last day Gleeson hadnt pucked a ball. And great players make the correct decision 90% of the time. Sheflin/ Carey / Walsh.
So to close this out ask your self this question. You can pick any of these five players all in their prime for an all ireland final which would you pick.
Sheflin
Tommy Walsh
Ken MC Grath
Bonner Maher
Austin Gleeson.
Reality is Gleeson would be your fifth pick not your first. Instead of worrying about his greatness maybe Gleeson would be better concentrating on cementing down a place on this team. The reason he is so versatile is he isnt Vital in any position. And the reason he isnt great is that he isnt even the greatest player in the current Waterford team." How in gods name did you manage to compare bonner to these?
He does a job for tipp but come on!
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Replying To KK1926: " Replying To clondalkindub: "[quote=ritchie: "Im really not getting this. YES he was player of the year LAST YEAR. So this tread is about greatness isnt it. So here are the facts. Subbed in the cork game in MSSF as was completely out of the game. Only came into the game on sunday when Cahalane was sent off. Made a complete meal for the first Yellow for cahalane and realistically shouldnt have been on the field him self. So what makes him great or even suggests he will be great. How do you define greatness. He has a great skill set and if i wanted a player to go into a free style competition then he would possibly be my pick. But this is a game of hurling. Its a team sport. And reality is for a team sport he is poor. He didnt contribute to waterford in any meaningful way on sunday till the last 10 mins. He has shocking shot selection missing more than he scores. He goes for glory and ingnores a player in a better position than him self. Is petulant and not blessed with great vision and awareness. So what makes him great. In my opinion AS A TEAM PLAYER he is average at best. Great players perform consistently. Brian Corcoran/Brian Whealan/ Joe Deane/Ken Mc Grath. They perform as a team. Look at Canning in the Leinster Final. Poor game by his standards yet got through mountains of work and set up scores. The commentators said it them selves 20 mins in to the game the last day Gleeson hadnt pucked a ball. And great players make the correct decision 90% of the time. Sheflin/ Carey / Walsh.
So to close this out ask your self this question. You can pick any of these five players all in their prime for an all ireland final which would you pick.
Sheflin
Tommy Walsh
Ken MC Grath
Bonner Maher
Austin Gleeson.
Reality is Gleeson would be your fifth pick not your first. Instead of worrying about his greatness maybe Gleeson would be better concentrating on cementing down a place on this team. The reason he is so versatile is he isnt Vital in any position. And the reason he isnt great is that he isnt even the greatest player in the current Waterford team." I'd pick Gleeson first every time."
It's pretty daft though, picking a loose canon hurler over fellas who'll do the right thing 9 times out of 10.
Think this thread should be renamed from 'Austin Gleeson Potentially the Greatest' to 'I Love Austin Gleeson' as the boy can do no wrong in your eyes."]"Well you're entitled to your opinion". Followed by "it's pretty daft though".
Should everyone's opinions be the same then?
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Replying To clondalkindub: "Please stop saying John McGrath and Conor Whelan have the same influence on their teams they don't and never will.
Gleeson is Waterford's main man the intercounty players of Ireland thought the same thing last year (poty) when he totally dominated kilkenny in two classic semi finals . He ran amok so much that Rory stories did a brilliant video of pretending to be Gleeson catching a ball (basically taking the piss how easy it was for him) he has skill but it's his greatness that has waterford winning All Ireland's." You're a gas man. People obviously falling for your wind up post!
I assume you're a comedian or a blind man!
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 15/08/2017 16:55:36
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Ok Clondalkin i'm going to stick my head out here and make a prediction about Austin in the final. I'd be confident he'll play.
He'll do something rash that might lead to him being sent off or he'll stay on the pitch but the offence will be a sending off one. Due to demoralisation at not being in the game. He'll shout a 3 mad shots from 110 yds and he'll score with one. It'll be a tight game and i don't know who'll win. Remind me after the All Ireland if he delivers a complete team performance in the final.
You do realise if Ozzie started dribbling in with the ball through Noel Hickey, Jackie Tyrrell and JJ Delaney he would have been upended on the 21. Also the boys would have taken a chance on giving away a penalty as they gave away 2 in the drawn match against Tipp in 2014 and just gave away 2pts. Even before Sunday's game there were question marks over the Cork full back line going back to 2013. Also their full back Cahalane, who being a chip off the old block, probably would have taken Ozzie down before scoring the wonder goal. As posters pointed out Daren Gleeson of Tipp showed how you sniff out a goal chance at source against Galway when he upended Conor Cooney outside the box.
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When a man brings Eoghan O'Gara (Dublin footballer) and Rory's Stories to a debate to add credibility for his hurler being the greatest ever we have a problem!
KK1926 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 15/08/2017 17:08:05
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