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The Cruciate Knee injury (Bladed boots)

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zamora (Cavan) - Posts: 200 - 19/05/2011 18:22:29    934907

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Have to concur with Blades, they are an absolute disaster for growing kids especially at ages 11/12/13 they are a curse. The worst is by the time these kids mature the real damage is just waiting to happen. The safest boot for kids at that age is an astro turf type boot, studs on soft grass are infinitely better than blades, astro boots on dry hard ground.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 3833 - 19/05/2011 18:50:44    934940

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manowar
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I wore blades for years, switched back to the 6 studs and ten mins into second game wearing them it went. Ground had started to harden at the time though. Dont think you can say its down to blades, certainly not in my case though. Read something saying its down to players weight programmes. A lack of muscle balance between quads and hamstrings can be a major cause. Which in my case could be through as I had done quite a lot of gym work for the winter before.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2479 - 19/05/2011 18:58:53    934949

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did mine last year wearing puma king moulded studs ,had been wearing them or similar boots for tens years i reckon , would blame the boots at all , its just bad luck i think

bogstandard (Wexford) - Posts: 799 - 19/05/2011 19:12:14    934976

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Yes there are always goin to be cases of men doing them while not wearing blades, the injury does happen, my point is just a large proportion of these injuries seem to happen with blades. In my club our physio has put it down to to factors, one is that blades tend to slip on the hard ground, but more serious is that when u go to twist with blades because of their shape don't give at all the twisting action does the knee, certainly for Eamon Maguire he won the ball and went to turn and got injured. i'm not saying that blades are solely to blame, there are other reasons that could contribute, but at present Blades seem to be a main problem and if they are then cutting them out would prevent a lot of serious injuries and also help save the GAA a lot of money 5000 for the operation alone per player we have named 17 players have had the injury in the past year thats 185,000 on operation alone on them 17 players. if 12 of them were wearing bladed boots then u can see the problem. it's something the GAA needs to look at, because the injury is becoming more and more common

manowar (Fermanagh) - Posts: 147 - 19/05/2011 19:31:25    935007

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My ten year old son tore his meniscus and split his cruciate this summer while training with his local club. There was no other player involved. He turned but his boot did not turn with him. He was wearing blades.
Surgeon told me these injuries are becoming more and more common in kids. One has to question the boots they are wearing.
Could we spare our children the trauma of this awful injury? Could clubs warn parents about the potential hazards associated with bladed football boots. It would benefit all involved.

J.P.M (Sligo) - Posts: 1 - 27/09/2017 11:51:23    2050963

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Replying To J.P.M:  "My ten year old son tore his meniscus and split his cruciate this summer while training with his local club. There was no other player involved. He turned but his boot did not turn with him. He was wearing blades.
Surgeon told me these injuries are becoming more and more common in kids. One has to question the boots they are wearing.
Could we spare our children the trauma of this awful injury? Could clubs warn parents about the potential hazards associated with bladed football boots. It would benefit all involved."
Personally I know 8 people (myself included) who tore ACL's and not one were wearing blades so I'm not sure if this is correct. Not sure what studies have been done. There is a lot more short sharp training sessions now with running through cones, etc. I'd wonder if this is a higher contributor. In my case I think weight training caused imbalances. I've also quite poor joint stability which has led to a number of other injuries since then

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2479 - 27/09/2017 12:23:28    2050973

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Replying To tj09:  "Colm O'Neil of Cork has done the same knee twice now and he is only 22. I pretty sure he wears blades."
Hes abit older than 22

Tarismelting22 (Roscommon) - Posts: 300 - 27/09/2017 12:42:21    2050981

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Personally I know 8 people (myself included) who tore ACL's and not one were wearing blades so I'm not sure if this is correct. Not sure what studies have been done. There is a lot more short sharp training sessions now with running through cones, etc. I'd wonder if this is a higher contributor. In my case I think weight training caused imbalances. I've also quite poor joint stability which has led to a number of other injuries since then"
I done mine early 2015 wearing blades I don't think the blades are fully to blame put increase the chances of it happening yes. Just wondering were cruciates such a big thing back in the day say 40 years ago or is it since the huge emphasis on gym work has come into play??

Tarismelting22 (Roscommon) - Posts: 300 - 27/09/2017 12:48:22    2050986

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Replying To Tarismelting22:  "Hes abit older than 22"
Aye, 28, but in 2011 he was 22 ;)

m_the_d (None) - Posts: 1026 - 27/09/2017 13:20:34    2051004

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People walked and cycled more. Thats why it's become so prevalent in recent times.

If you had to get a loaf of bread you walked or hopped on the bike. Nowadays the shop might be around the corner and we are hopping into our cars and driving. Pure laziness.

Children arent walking and cycling like they used to.

We ran and cycled to training whether it was on the roads or through the fields. Joints were stronger. Muscles, tendons used more.

MickyThePost (Donegal) - Posts: 13 - 27/09/2017 14:24:46    2051029

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Replying To MickyThePost:  "People walked and cycled more. Thats why it's become so prevalent in recent times.

If you had to get a loaf of bread you walked or hopped on the bike. Nowadays the shop might be around the corner and we are hopping into our cars and driving. Pure laziness.

Children arent walking and cycling like they used to.

We ran and cycled to training whether it was on the roads or through the fields. Joints were stronger. Muscles, tendons used more."
I'd like to also know the % of people who are in jobs which require you to sit for most of the day. This is known to cause other issues but hardly relevant to a 10 year old either...
Females are more likely due to poor joint stability. All I know is, the initial pain is out of this world!

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2479 - 27/09/2017 14:47:24    2051040

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I think there is an awful lot more to it than just the type of boots, if boots are the problem surely it would affect other sports besides GAA? Just a couple of things i read on this topic. Incorrect/poor technique in warm ups, lack of strenght and conditioning techniques to improve strenght. Then throw in the type of play is being performed and then throw in poorly fitted boots, poorly tied boots, poor condition of boot studs and even other injuries. For instance a weak ankle which a player is constantly going over on is putting huge strain on the knee. Not a pleasant injury, younger and younger players are getting this injury and with girls/women it is especially a growing problem. If blades are part of the problem it should be researched properly.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 3833 - 27/09/2017 16:23:54    2051075

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Replying To MickyThePost:  "People walked and cycled more. Thats why it's become so prevalent in recent times.

If you had to get a loaf of bread you walked or hopped on the bike. Nowadays the shop might be around the corner and we are hopping into our cars and driving. Pure laziness.

Children arent walking and cycling like they used to.

We ran and cycled to training whether it was on the roads or through the fields. Joints were stronger. Muscles, tendons used more."
That's bull. Like most things, it happened but was just not reported on or was ignored. It is also based on survivorship bias, you hear the good stories, not the bad from people who are still alive from the old days. Better information and communication these days means that we are more aware of things. My Dad badly injured his knee in the fifties but was not diagnosed correctly. Went on for years before he had many operations that left him barely able to walk. He farmed, cycled, played sports before this. Just because we hear of it more often, does not mean it is more prevalent now than before.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 855 - 27/09/2017 17:23:16    2051090

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0 connection between stud type and cruciate injury https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21443155/.

Just coincidence. Just cause you know 8 da that are bar men that have broken their legs, doesn't mean being a barman makes you more likely to break your leg. Correlation doesn't mean causation

TakeYourPoints6 (Meath) - Posts: 157 - 28/09/2017 08:21:47    2051227

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