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Would this be a fix for the imbalance/handicap/ tanking potential in my 12-match Inter-Confs of 16?

Simply award bonus points for the 4 unplayed games -
Div/Quadrant 1v4 - 8 Quad 1 teams start with 8 pts; 8 Quad 4 teams 0 pts;
Div/Quad 2v2 and 3v3 - all 16 teams given 4 pts.

Playing the 12 matches completes a balanced '16v16' schedule.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 1669 - 04/12/2019 14:05:00    2253185

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Omahant. Keep the ideas coming.

And disregard the rock throwers. I suggest you review all the constructive feedback and maybe distill it into the one single suggestion you think might be worth championing.

shaneShankill (Dublin) - Posts: 37 - 05/12/2019 08:37:32    2253310

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Brainstorming is better in finding the ideal solution.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 1669 - 05/12/2019 16:45:50    2253415

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Replying To shaneShankill:  "Omahant. Keep the ideas coming.

And disregard the rock throwers. I suggest you review all the constructive feedback and maybe distill it into the one single suggestion you think might be worth championing."
Omahant having lots of ideas is great. But problem for me is not keeping it in the one place when it's on same topic all the time

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 382 - 05/12/2019 19:37:16    2253453

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How about bonus pts to replace the handicap ?

- Draw half of each GAA NFL div to form 4 groups of 4 in 2 Conferences A and B.
- Each team is assessed based on a 16-match Inter-Conf (AvB) regular season, but only 12 of the 16 games are actually played.
- Div 1 teams avoid those in Div 4 but are awarded 8 bonus points in lieu of, what would 'most likely' have been, 4 wins.
- Similarly, Div 2v2 and 3v3 matches are avoided;  with all 16 teams each getting 4 bonus pts.

- At conclusion of the 12-match schedule, the top 8 in each Conf (regardless of div) advance to Own Conf 'non-repeat' KO QFs.
- Teams placed 9th & below in one Conf replace those placed 8th & above in Other Conf, if the former has a better record.

- In Conf QFs and SFs, the team with the best record hosts worst, 2nd hosts 7th etc, with 4 QF winners reseeded for Conf SFs.
- Conf Finals (AI SFs) played at Prov neutral venues;  AI Final at Croke Park.

- Confs are refreshed for the following year, with prior Conf Finalists, their QF opponents and teams placed 11th-14th remaining in the same Conf;  as all 16 others cross over.
- For 'next year' scheduling, prior year Conf QF winners are categorised as 'Division / Quadrant 1';  Conf QF losers as 'Quadrant 2'; & teams placed 13th-16th as 'Quadrant 4'.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 1669 - 07/12/2019 05:20:53    2253652

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Omahant having lots of ideas is great. But problem for me is not keeping it in the one place when it's on same topic all the time"
...but of course running 4 threads on rugby at the same time under at least 3 different names is fine, yeah?

extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 346 - 07/12/2019 10:12:30    2253663

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Replying To extranjero:  "...but of course running 4 threads on rugby at the same time under at least 3 different names is fine, yeah?"
What do you think of what I last posted ?

omahant (USA) - Posts: 1669 - 07/12/2019 13:49:03    2253684

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Replying To omahant:  "What do you think of what I last posted ?"
It's not fair either to just gift teams points.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 2798 - 07/12/2019 15:26:58    2253697

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Too convoluted. I'd go with a format proposed by Whammo (2 tiers of 16). But we're stuck with the provincials. Moving counties to other provinces won't fly. I would only move Louth to Ulster so it has ten teams along with Leinster. Both provinces are split into two groups of 5. Top 2 in each group go into their provincial semi-finals. Connacht and Munster adopt a league format. Top 2 in each contest their provincial final. The four provincial finalists qualify for the All-Ireland series. At least this format allows for every team to have at least 4 or 5 games.

Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 206 - 07/12/2019 16:36:59    2253708

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Replying To Whammo86:  "It's not fair either to just gift teams points."
Fair enough.
Just trying to cut games to 12, but doing a work around to a quasi 'balanced 16v16' schedule. In lieu of ugly blowouts, better to give the bonus (near certain) pts and get rid of the handicap. I think teams would now want to avoid 13th and strive for 12th. The middle 8 start with same 4 pts (avoiding own quality, pts shared).
For sure, this is quirky / unconventional, but balanced a la Shara.
The KO field of 16 of 32 is a wide enough net, that any team good enough to advance, should - and with Best 16, unlike Task Force Option 2 (25th advances to the 10-team KO / 5th is out).
Better than your earlier point that an FA Cup KO style is fair as the best team could KO no. 2 in 3rd Rd, but the 2nd worst could advance instead v worst (not this extreme in my structure).

I like it - each div/quadrant should have 2 new/2 old refreshed each year - each team 'guaranteed' 6 new/6 old repeat teams in next year schedule. Teams play a blend of quality - gives top/all teams chance to try out new player talent/blend new blood as well.

Option - Could adapt KO as top 6 (or 4) to Tier 1 KO and next 6 (or 8) to a Stronger/Worth Winning Tier 2.
You're not convinced, I know - that's OK.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 1669 - 07/12/2019 18:57:45    2253726

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Replying To extranjero:  "...but of course running 4 threads on rugby at the same time under at least 3 different names is fine, yeah?"
I've only ever used one name at a time. Constantly different for variety of reasons

And running different rugby threads is fine as they're in different topics and not like omahant who puts a new thread up for every single championship proposal he(??) has.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 382 - 07/12/2019 21:58:35    2253759

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Replying To omahant:  "What do you think of what I last posted ?"
Not too fond of it, I think you've had better recommendations. But I enjoy reading your articles so please keep posting your ideas!

extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 346 - 08/12/2019 22:34:26    2253872

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