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Would this be a fix for the imbalance/handicap/ tanking potential in my 12-match Inter-Confs of 16? omahant (USA) - Posts: 2583 - 04/12/2019 14:05:00 2253185 Link 0 |
Omahant. Keep the ideas coming. shaneShankill (Dublin) - Posts: 42 - 05/12/2019 08:37:32 2253310 Link 0 |
Brainstorming is better in finding the ideal solution. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2583 - 05/12/2019 16:45:50 2253415 Link 0 |
Omahant having lots of ideas is great. But problem for me is not keeping it in the one place when it's on same topic all the time
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 05/12/2019 19:37:16 2253453 Link 0 |
How about bonus pts to replace the handicap ? omahant (USA) - Posts: 2583 - 07/12/2019 05:20:53 2253652 Link 0 |
...but of course running 4 threads on rugby at the same time under at least 3 different names is fine, yeah?
extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 375 - 07/12/2019 10:12:30 2253663 Link 1 |
What do you think of what I last posted ?
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2583 - 07/12/2019 13:49:03 2253684 Link 0 |
It's not fair either to just gift teams points.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4221 - 07/12/2019 15:26:58 2253697 Link 8 |
Too convoluted. I'd go with a format proposed by Whammo (2 tiers of 16). But we're stuck with the provincials. Moving counties to other provinces won't fly. I would only move Louth to Ulster so it has ten teams along with Leinster. Both provinces are split into two groups of 5. Top 2 in each group go into their provincial semi-finals. Connacht and Munster adopt a league format. Top 2 in each contest their provincial final. The four provincial finalists qualify for the All-Ireland series. At least this format allows for every team to have at least 4 or 5 games. Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 07/12/2019 16:36:59 2253708 Link 0 |
Fair enough. Just trying to cut games to 12, but doing a work around to a quasi 'balanced 16v16' schedule. In lieu of ugly blowouts, better to give the bonus (near certain) pts and get rid of the handicap. I think teams would now want to avoid 13th and strive for 12th. The middle 8 start with same 4 pts (avoiding own quality, pts shared). For sure, this is quirky / unconventional, but balanced a la Shara. The KO field of 16 of 32 is a wide enough net, that any team good enough to advance, should - and with Best 16, unlike Task Force Option 2 (25th advances to the 10-team KO / 5th is out). Better than your earlier point that an FA Cup KO style is fair as the best team could KO no. 2 in 3rd Rd, but the 2nd worst could advance instead v worst (not this extreme in my structure). I like it - each div/quadrant should have 2 new/2 old refreshed each year - each team 'guaranteed' 6 new/6 old repeat teams in next year schedule. Teams play a blend of quality - gives top/all teams chance to try out new player talent/blend new blood as well. Option - Could adapt KO as top 6 (or 4) to Tier 1 KO and next 6 (or 8) to a Stronger/Worth Winning Tier 2. You're not convinced, I know - that's OK. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2583 - 07/12/2019 18:57:45 2253726 Link 0 |
I've only ever used one name at a time. Constantly different for variety of reasons And running different rugby threads is fine as they're in different topics and not like omahant who puts a new thread up for every single championship proposal he(??) has. KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 07/12/2019 21:58:35 2253759 Link 0 |
Not too fond of it, I think you've had better recommendations. But I enjoy reading your articles so please keep posting your ideas!
extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 375 - 08/12/2019 22:34:26 2253872 Link 0 |
I think the following works - satisfies those who want conventional groups and meets my desire for a mixed div 1v 1, 2, 3 schedule while avoiding div 1v4 blowouts - omahant (USA) - Posts: 2583 - 28/12/2019 00:09:49 2256286 Link 0 |
Keep it simple. Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 28/12/2019 16:13:44 2256329 Link 0 |
That would be good but should have separate provincial and all Ireland straight knock out cups as well and these aren't held entirely before or after the league. Held in between the league games. These would add 7 weeks more of games but most wouldnt play in most those weekends. You still have lot of time for club games and a proper off season KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 28/12/2019 22:46:03 2256362 Link 0 |
I actually just posted revised format with the same alterations on another thread. 7 weeks would bring us up to 21 games. I'd also put in an All-Ireland Shield to kick off the intercounty season. It would be contested between the cup and league champions.
Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 29/12/2019 01:05:14 2256371 Link 0 |
I'd like 14 rds inclusive of a few KO rds - to increase the primacy of the club, maybe it's best to limit/shorten the inter-county season, although the latter is the cash cow. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2583 - 29/12/2019 04:02:37 2256373 Link 0 |
21 weeks is too much for intercounty competitions. It's actually 9 extra weeks suggested. 4 rounds of provincials in Ulster and Leinster. 5 rounds of All Ireland cup. It's too much. The fixtures review committee want 15 club only weekends. That's getting us up to 38 weeks and we haven't factored in the Provincial and All Ireland club competitions. There's not ample time in his plan for club and a proper off season. I don't think anyone wants only 8 teams capable of winning the All Ireland at the start of the season. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4221 - 29/12/2019 11:08:58 2256387 Link 8 |
There's never going to be a solution. Too many competing interests.
Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 29/12/2019 15:36:49 2256417 Link 0 |
There's never going to be a perfect solution but there are plenty that could work and be reasonable season's for everyone. The solution above wouldn't be though. There are just too many intercounty fixtures, makes it a complete non runner. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4221 - 29/12/2019 16:41:37 2256431 Link 8 |