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The bigger flaw is people, like Tiobraid above, making judgements based on who scored what. Often the guy who scores has benefited from great work by others. By his logic, TJ Reid could set up 3 goals by running 50 yards and lay the ball off at the last second for someone else to tap in, and the guy who tapped it in would deserve more recognition. There is no doubt in my mind that there were not 3 better performers than TJ Reid this season."]The biggest flaw is people believing media hype about players. TJ had some fantastic games no doubt and he's a cert for an all star but he touched the ball 6 times against Wexford the first day and was marked out of at least two other games. Can you seriously say in the big games he had the same impact as Noel McGrath for example?"]Noel McGrath was hands down hurler of the year. I would have had Ronan Maher next and Brendan Maher after that. None of them nominated for hurler of the year. I said after the all Ireland that this Tipp team hasn't got much recognition for their talent or achievements and this just highlights it again. They got plenty of abuse over the years though alright, no fear of that. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 27/09/2019 20:56:33 2239729 Link 0 |
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The bigger flaw is people, like Tiobraid above, making judgements based on who scored what. Often the guy who scores has benefited from great work by others. By his logic, TJ Reid could set up 3 goals by running 50 yards and lay the ball off at the last second for someone else to tap in, and the guy who tapped it in would deserve more recognition. There is no doubt in my mind that there were not 3 better performers than TJ Reid this season."]The biggest flaw is people believing media hype about players. TJ had some fantastic games no doubt and he's a cert for an all star but he touched the ball 6 times against Wexford the first day and was marked out of at least two other games. Can you seriously say in the big games he had the same impact as Noel McGrath for example?"]Noel McGrath was hands down hurler of the year. I would have had Ronan Maher next and Brendan Maher after that. None of them nominated for hurler of the year. I said after the all Ireland that this Tipp team hasn't got much recognition for their talent or achievements and this just highlights it again. They got plenty of abuse over the years though alright, no fear of that."]Between Noel and Ronan for me. 9 out of 10's in all bar one game. I wouldn't begrudge Horgan a nomination at a min tho. tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 28/09/2019 08:15:00 2239785 Link 0 |
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The bigger flaw is people, like Tiobraid above, making judgements based on who scored what. Often the guy who scores has benefited from great work by others. By his logic, TJ Reid could set up 3 goals by running 50 yards and lay the ball off at the last second for someone else to tap in, and the guy who tapped it in would deserve more recognition. There is no doubt in my mind that there were not 3 better performers than TJ Reid this season."]The biggest flaw is people believing media hype about players. TJ had some fantastic games no doubt and he's a cert for an all star but he touched the ball 6 times against Wexford the first day and was marked out of at least two other games. Can you seriously say in the big games he had the same impact as Noel McGrath for example?"]Noel McGrath was hands down hurler of the year. I would have had Ronan Maher next and Brendan Maher after that. None of them nominated for hurler of the year. I said after the all Ireland that this Tipp team hasn't got much recognition for their talent or achievements and this just highlights it again. They got plenty of abuse over the years though alright, no fear of that."]Between Noel and Ronan for me. 9 out of 10's in all bar one game. I wouldn't begrudge Horgan a nomination at a min tho."]Horgan had a great year but he wouldn't improve the Tipp forward line based on his and their performances during this year's championship. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 28/09/2019 15:03:53 2239833 Link 0 |
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Agreed. Nominate the All Stars and let player of year be picked from that group. I'd also like to see transparency as I firmly believe the name in the envelope isn't the name that is voted. Almost every player of the year since at least 2013 is the most marketable nominee and someone who will interview well."]Tbh all the modern intercounty hurlers would interview well. Most have degrees from college. As regards the team Id go for Murphy Finn Ryan Barrett Maher Maher Walsh O keefe Mcgrath Chin Reid O dwyer Gillane Callanan Horgan Based on performances over the year but possibly with Walsh getting the nod over O Hanlon and Murphy over Hogan because there will never be an all star team with only 1 selection from 1 of the finalists Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11734 - 29/09/2019 21:44:55 2240139 Link 0 |
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The bigger flaw is people, like Tiobraid above, making judgements based on who scored what. Often the guy who scores has benefited from great work by others. By his logic, TJ Reid could set up 3 goals by running 50 yards and lay the ball off at the last second for someone else to tap in, and the guy who tapped it in would deserve more recognition. There is no doubt in my mind that there were not 3 better performers than TJ Reid this season."]The biggest flaw is people believing media hype about players. TJ had some fantastic games no doubt and he's a cert for an all star but he touched the ball 6 times against Wexford the first day and was marked out of at least two other games. Can you seriously say in the big games he had the same impact as Noel McGrath for example?"]Noel McGrath was hands down hurler of the year. I would have had Ronan Maher next and Brendan Maher after that. None of them nominated for hurler of the year. I said after the all Ireland that this Tipp team hasn't got much recognition for their talent or achievements and this just highlights it again. They got plenty of abuse over the years though alright, no fear of that."]For sure Noel Mcgrath was Hurler of the Year Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11734 - 29/09/2019 22:02:17 2240151 Link 0 |
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The bigger flaw is people, like Tiobraid above, making judgements based on who scored what. Often the guy who scores has benefited from great work by others. By his logic, TJ Reid could set up 3 goals by running 50 yards and lay the ball off at the last second for someone else to tap in, and the guy who tapped it in would deserve more recognition. There is no doubt in my mind that there were not 3 better performers than TJ Reid this season."]The biggest flaw is people believing media hype about players. TJ had some fantastic games no doubt and he's a cert for an all star but he touched the ball 6 times against Wexford the first day and was marked out of at least two other games. Can you seriously say in the big games he had the same impact as Noel McGrath for example?"]Noel McGrath was hands down hurler of the year. I would have had Ronan Maher next and Brendan Maher after that. None of them nominated for hurler of the year. I said after the all Ireland that this Tipp team hasn't got much recognition for their talent or achievements and this just highlights it again. They got plenty of abuse over the years though alright, no fear of that."]For sure Noel Mcgrath was Hurler of the Year"]Thanks Viking66, it is criminal that he is not on the shortlist. What more could he have done, man of the match in an all Ireland semi final and final. The all stars committee of journalists must be really lazy or clueless to ignore him. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 29/09/2019 23:16:21 2240170 Link 1 |
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I can't get over how many people are picking Murphy in goal. Its such a lazy pick - he's been the keeper of the decade but definitely not the keeper of 2019. He had a decent season but I would argue that Brian Hogan, Enda Rowland and Nickie Quaid (in that order) made much bigger contributions to their teams. If Patrick Horgan gets an all star for his outstanding contribution in one game (he played well but wasn't outstanding in the others), then Enda Rowland should be a shoe in. McFan88 (Limerick) - Posts: 447 - 30/09/2019 12:26:29 2240272 Link 0 |
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Yeah, there is a lot of merit in what you are saying alright. It isn't a vintage era for goalkeepers and he is miles ahead of everyone else and his reputation is probably preceding him here.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 30/09/2019 14:13:19 2240320 Link 0 |
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Seriously , Horgan getting an all star based on one game.....would you wise up, he scored 6-16 from play and 7-63 overall for the championship......not disputing Enda Rolland should be in with a shout but to try disparate Horgan's performance this year to try make a point is nonsensical......Hoggie and Callanan two outstanding forwards this year, Callanan should get HoY to make up for the one was robbed of a couple of years ago but Hoggie had an outstanding year.....
PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 738 - 30/09/2019 14:39:01 2240332 Link 0 |
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Not really my point - I wasnt trying to get into bashing Horgan but the point stands - If he hadnt scored 3-10 v Kilkenny would he be an automatic all star? Cork were knocked out in the quarter final, if he didnt play as well as he did v Kilkenny he would be nominated and not on the final team, almost guaranteed.
McFan88 (Limerick) - Posts: 447 - 30/09/2019 15:30:13 2240354 Link 0 |
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I would like Enda Rowland of Laois get the goalkeeper award. He has been consistently good for Laois, although operating below the radar, in the McDonagh Cup. Laois hurlers had a good season under Eddie Brennan, and Rowland was one their outstanding players. Have to wish the neighbours well. thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1735 - 30/09/2019 19:27:19 2240440 Link 1 |
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Horgan is well worth an All star this year but he is not HOTY. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 02/10/2019 15:01:16 2240955 Link 1 |
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Can't believe this post?? What would your team be if you were leaving out Horgan?
LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 409 - 11/10/2019 09:39:37 2242736 Link 0 |
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My point was that Enda Rowland should at least be in the conversation to get an all star and that Eoin Murphy is a lazy pick, thats all. I'm not debating Horgans quality, just pointing out the fact that he would've been unlikely to win an all star if he hadn't played incredibly well v Kilkenny in the quarter final. If he had scored his frees and chipped in with his usual few from play he wouldnt have gotten an all star with Cork knocked out at that early stage. Mullen, Callinan, Gillane, John O'Dwyer, Rory O'Connor, John McGrath, Peter Casey, Graeme Mulcahy, Colin Fennelly, Paul Morris would've all had as good a chance as Horgan if you ignored his performance v Kilkenny.
McFan88 (Limerick) - Posts: 447 - 14/10/2019 16:14:03 2243453 Link 0 |
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But he did play that well, and that's why he's going to get an All Star??
LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 409 - 14/10/2019 16:36:12 2243463 Link 0 |
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isnt a vintage era? when we have keepers of the calibre of nash,eoin murphy and the role of the keeper has gone from driving down the field to having to put the ball in the corner backs hand? the keepers role has changed and they are as good as anything that has gone before perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 14/10/2019 16:36:59 2243464 Link 0 |
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When are the official All Stars being announced? PortInFaithful (Offaly) - Posts: 472 - 18/10/2019 11:34:17 2244206 Link 0 |
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In 2 weeks time
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 19/10/2019 00:04:26 2244324 Link 0 |