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This thread has it all..... Anti Tyrone bias, Palestinian flags, the demon drink, 1913 lock out, Anglo Irish aristocracy, wrap the green flag round me, false user accounts, grammar correction. Just another Hogan stand day.
The crying in a Palestinian flag comment was a cracker it must be said
himachechy (Donegal) - Posts: 293 - 17/09/2019 15:00:02
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Replying To Crinigan: "I did hear booing for when Dublin held onto the ball. This is due to the fact that such tactics is generally seen as being against the spirit of the game although personally I don't have an issue with holding possession in order to drag the oppositions shape around.
But this is not necessarily unsporting (its more frustration, similar to Dublin fans booing Donegal for camping in their own half) and is definitely nowhere close to the realm of loudly jeering young players on the opposition team kicking wides.
I've been to a lot of championship games this year, in Mayo, in Donegal, in Kildare and it is a uniquely Dublin phenomenon to jeer opposition wides." It happens in every ground around the country a certain times of the game its all part of the atmosphere in my opinion and i can gurantee you that the players do not pass one bit of heed. From what i can remember there was some jeering from the mayo fans as rock kicked the free to win it
Tarismelting22 (Roscommon) - Posts: 760 - 17/09/2019 15:05:48
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Replying To Crinigan: "I did hear booing for when Dublin held onto the ball. This is due to the fact that such tactics is generally seen as being against the spirit of the game although personally I don't have an issue with holding possession in order to drag the oppositions shape around.
But this is not necessarily unsporting (its more frustration, similar to Dublin fans booing Donegal for camping in their own half) and is definitely nowhere close to the realm of loudly jeering young players on the opposition team kicking wides.
I've been to a lot of championship games this year, in Mayo, in Donegal, in Kildare and it is a uniquely Dublin phenomenon to jeer opposition wides." Oh my God. That is an unbelievable fudge. Well ok. Check out the footage of Dean Rock's last free against Kerry. The camera pans the crowd. Check out the Kerry fans roaring and shouting at him as he runs up to take it. What will the excuse be this time? He hadn't even taken the kick. There is an audible collective jeer/ cheer when he misses.
All fans do it. It's wrong and unsporting to boo players whether out of frustration or spite it's just wrong.
By the way, the Dublin players are young lads too.
avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 17/09/2019 15:11:20
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I think everyone is being a bit precious here.
If I was a guest in a different county , I'd show some respect as a guest. If I visited Mayo and Kerry and went into the home end of their ground and I started spitting, throwing insults, I'd expect a hiding and in truth deserve it.
It's just good man manners not to do it.
If I am at a game or anywhere really and someone is spitting, threatening or being insulting, there getting a thump doesn't matter if they are from Dublin or any other county.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 17/09/2019 15:12:50
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Replying To avonali: "Your anti-Dublin bias is blinding you- and making you deaf too apparently.
1. Did you not hear the deafening Kerry booing when Dublin withheld possession. Is that acceptable? I suppose you'#ll say it is because it's only the Dubs. Were those that booed Dublin also 'unsporting yobs'?? I'd be interested in your answer.
2. Go onto the Kerry proBoards GAA forum and check out what decent Kerry fans have to say about the trouble on the HIll. The consensus is that is was started by a group of Kerry lads who spat atand thrtew things at Kerry fans. I saw the same group coming up Clonliffe Road and their language and carry on was as bad as I've ever seen from any Dublin fan." Yes - I heard those bucko's received more of a hero's welcome back to kerry than the players did....
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Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3725 - 17/09/2019 15:23:17
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Replying To himachechy: "This thread has it all..... Anti Tyrone bias, Palestinian flags, the demon drink, 1913 lock out, Anglo Irish aristocracy, wrap the green flag round me, false user accounts, grammar correction. Just another Hogan stand day.
The crying in a Palestinian flag comment was a cracker it must be said" Your welcome :-)
Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 17/09/2019 15:34:46
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Replying To Crinigan: "I did hear booing for when Dublin held onto the ball. This is due to the fact that such tactics is generally seen as being against the spirit of the game although personally I don't have an issue with holding possession in order to drag the oppositions shape around.
But this is not necessarily unsporting (its more frustration, similar to Dublin fans booing Donegal for camping in their own half) and is definitely nowhere close to the realm of loudly jeering young players on the opposition team kicking wides.
I've been to a lot of championship games this year, in Mayo, in Donegal, in Kildare and it is a uniquely Dublin phenomenon to jeer opposition wides." What nonsense.... it happens in club games in meath ffs
Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3725 - 17/09/2019 15:41:02
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Replying To Richieq: "Your welcome :-)" I second that.
One of the all time classic lines on Hoganstand forum. Genuinely made me laugh out loud.
Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1316 - 17/09/2019 15:44:00
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Replying To TheUsername: "I think everyone is being a bit precious here.
If I was a guest in a different county , I'd show some respect as a guest. If I visited Mayo and Kerry and went into the home end of their ground and I started spitting, throwing insults, I'd expect a hiding and in truth deserve it.
It's just good man manners not to do it.
If I am at a game or anywhere really and someone is spitting, threatening or being insulting, there getting a thump doesn't matter if they are from Dublin or any other county." Someone delete this quick we're not supposed to know that Croke Park is Dublin's home ground.
jonjon (Mayo) - Posts: 99 - 17/09/2019 15:45:07
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Replying To jonjon: "Someone delete this quick we're not supposed to know that Croke Park is Dublin's home ground." It is Dublin's home ground, absolutely.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 17/09/2019 15:50:33
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Replying To TheFlaker: "You have seen worse in Castlebar? Joxer I am not sure what happened in the Hill but to mention Casltebar? You have seen something like this in McHale Park?" He hasn't, he made it up to deflect attention from their own gents
whiterbannnas (Mayo) - Posts: 2441 - 17/09/2019 15:50:50
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Replying To Crinigan: "No he hasn't.
There is a large and very nasty element to Hill16 and if the GAA had any balls (and impartiality which they certainly don't when it comes to Dublin) they'd insert seating and ensure it is a mixed area. Really don't see why this unsporting yob (the deafening jeers for Kerry's wides were an absolute disgrace and an affront to the sport) should be accommodated in this way." What about the even louder boos when Dublin wouldn't hand the ball to Kerry?
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8586 - 17/09/2019 16:09:20
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Replying To Fionn: "What nonsense.... it happens in club games in meath ffs" I attended a lot of Meath county finals, especially in the 80/90s and I witnessed some serious nastiness both on the field and in the terraces and that ain't no lie!
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8586 - 17/09/2019 16:16:02
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Amazing thread. Time to move on already. The championship is now over and the club championships are on, which are well worth getting into.
Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 17/09/2019 16:20:22
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Replying To TheUsername: "It is Dublin's home ground, absolutely." Rare to get a Dub who admits that. Time we built a truly neutral venue to host All-Irelands, or time for Dublin to get a different home ground that can host them and leave Croke Park for All-Ireland semis and finals.
jonjon (Mayo) - Posts: 99 - 17/09/2019 16:24:31
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Replying To jonjon: " Replying To MesAmis: "It is not a lie.
Obviously it is much harder to separate fans on the Hill than it is in say a premier league game, as tickets to the hill are just general admission and you can stand whereever, so it is not a 100% separation of fans.
However, stewards have clearly been directed to separate opposition fans from Dublin fans.
Take a look at the highlights from from 2019 All Ireland final, or the 2017 All Ireland final or the 2016 replay.
Notice how the majority of the Mayo and Kerry fans have been directed up to the side of the hill near the cusack stand.
I didn't stand on the hill on those days but I heard from my friends straight after the match how stewards were separating Mayo fans from Dubs and directing them up to that section of the hill.
It was also clear as day when looking at the hill from the cusack stand where I was sitting, and it's still clear as day today when you look at the highlights on YouTube, it's especially obvious in the 2017 final due to the numbers of Mayo fans who had tickets for the hill.
Someone in this thread posted a similar story. I'll quote it for you:
"2 weeks ago a couple of Kerry young lads were in the hill for the minor game (cork and Galway) and they situated themselves behind the goals when the stewards came down and told them move up to the back corner, when the 2 lads asked why they had to move they were told it was for their own safety"
I hope you'll take this on board, and apologise for calling me a liar.
jonjon (Mayo) - Posts: 17 - 17/09/2019 12:31:53
You have lied though, I don't know if you are a habitual liar or not but you've certainly lied here.
I've been on the hill for all those games and there was no attempt to stop people from standing in any particular section according to what county they were from.
There were Kerry people in all different sections of the Hill on Saturday, as there had been for the drawn game. They were there beside me, directly behind the goals.
Stewards ask people to move if they are in a section that is over full or if they are blocking the steps. And that is of course for their own safety and the safety of all others on the terrace, and quite right too.
I can't apologise for calling you a liar because you are clearly telling lies.
There is no attempt to separate fans on Hill 16. Otherwise how do you explain the fact that there were Kerry and Dublin fans in all corners of the hill last Saturday as well as at the drawn match. The same in the recent finals against Mayo, there were Dublin and Mayo fans in all sections of the hill, there were Tyrone and Dublin fans in all sections of the hill last year.
Your lie is quite so obviously a lie that it is staggering that you are so committed to your lie." As I have already said, separating fans in the hill is not an exact science as there are not separate tickets for separate sections. Obviously you end up with a mix of supporters, the stewards cannot do a perfect job. you have just latched onto this and wrote a whole post about it, even though I've already addressed it. Why haven't you addressed any of the actual points I wrote? Did you actually look at the YouTube video of the 2017 All Ireland final? Are you calling the other poster who spoke about the exact same thing a liar as well? You can personally insult me and question whether I am a habitual liar and if I like to lie, but you are not attacking my points, you are attacking me as a person. Considering that you clearly didn't bother watch any videos on YouTube I am going to make that job a little bit easier for you. I am going to provide you now with a link to fan footage of the parade before the 2017 final. Tell me why do you think that the section of the hill beside the cusack stand is made up of almost entirely Mayo supporters? Whilst the seciton behind the goal is almost entirely made up of Dublin supporters? That is so so weird. You'd almost swear they were all directed there by stewards. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TF0eKIMk-kk Now I'll direct you to the 2013 final, where you can see what a natural mix of supporters in the Hill looks like. Skip to 7:37 in the video when Stephen Cluxton is taking a free kick. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozlTHAYAvJc&t=459s Now that you've watched those videos, coupled with the anecdotal evidence myself and another poster have provided, can I finally have that apology?"
There is no seperation of supporters on the Hill. You can anywhere you like, I've stood beside big groups of Mayo /Kerry/Tyrone fans at all the finals of late.
I've looked at your videos and you can see that supporters congregate with their own but there is still clearly blue mixed with red and green and vice versa. There is no clear dividing line, just areas with less Dubs and areas with less Mayo. Not seperation between them all and yet you think it proves your point! Very strange, that you just keep doubling down with your lies when it's clear as day that you're telling a lie.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13705 - 17/09/2019 17:14:04
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Replying To jonjon: "Rare to get a Dub who admits that. Time we built a truly neutral venue to host All-Irelands, or time for Dublin to get a different home ground that can host them and leave Croke Park for All-Ireland semis and finals." Here's a crazy idea. Tell this to your county board on those of other counties who dictate these matters. Dublin don't make these rules. Incredible to think, isn't it?
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 17/09/2019 18:01:05
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Replying To MesAmis: " Replying To jonjon: "[quote=MesAmis: "It is not a lie.
Obviously it is much harder to separate fans on the Hill than it is in say a premier league game, as tickets to the hill are just general admission and you can stand whereever, so it is not a 100% separation of fans.
However, stewards have clearly been directed to separate opposition fans from Dublin fans.
Take a look at the highlights from from 2019 All Ireland final, or the 2017 All Ireland final or the 2016 replay.
Notice how the majority of the Mayo and Kerry fans have been directed up to the side of the hill near the cusack stand.
I didn't stand on the hill on those days but I heard from my friends straight after the match how stewards were separating Mayo fans from Dubs and directing them up to that section of the hill.
It was also clear as day when looking at the hill from the cusack stand where I was sitting, and it's still clear as day today when you look at the highlights on YouTube, it's especially obvious in the 2017 final due to the numbers of Mayo fans who had tickets for the hill.
Someone in this thread posted a similar story. I'll quote it for you:
"2 weeks ago a couple of Kerry young lads were in the hill for the minor game (cork and Galway) and they situated themselves behind the goals when the stewards came down and told them move up to the back corner, when the 2 lads asked why they had to move they were told it was for their own safety"
I hope you'll take this on board, and apologise for calling me a liar.
jonjon (Mayo) - Posts: 17 - 17/09/2019 12:31:53
You have lied though, I don't know if you are a habitual liar or not but you've certainly lied here.
I've been on the hill for all those games and there was no attempt to stop people from standing in any particular section according to what county they were from.
There were Kerry people in all different sections of the Hill on Saturday, as there had been for the drawn game. They were there beside me, directly behind the goals.
Stewards ask people to move if they are in a section that is over full or if they are blocking the steps. And that is of course for their own safety and the safety of all others on the terrace, and quite right too.
I can't apologise for calling you a liar because you are clearly telling lies.
There is no attempt to separate fans on Hill 16. Otherwise how do you explain the fact that there were Kerry and Dublin fans in all corners of the hill last Saturday as well as at the drawn match. The same in the recent finals against Mayo, there were Dublin and Mayo fans in all sections of the hill, there were Tyrone and Dublin fans in all sections of the hill last year.
Your lie is quite so obviously a lie that it is staggering that you are so committed to your lie." As I have already said, separating fans in the hill is not an exact science as there are not separate tickets for separate sections. Obviously you end up with a mix of supporters, the stewards cannot do a perfect job. you have just latched onto this and wrote a whole post about it, even though I've already addressed it. Why haven't you addressed any of the actual points I wrote? Did you actually look at the YouTube video of the 2017 All Ireland final? Are you calling the other poster who spoke about the exact same thing a liar as well? You can personally insult me and question whether I am a habitual liar and if I like to lie, but you are not attacking my points, you are attacking me as a person. Considering that you clearly didn't bother watch any videos on YouTube I am going to make that job a little bit easier for you. I am going to provide you now with a link to fan footage of the parade before the 2017 final. Tell me why do you think that the section of the hill beside the cusack stand is made up of almost entirely Mayo supporters? Whilst the seciton behind the goal is almost entirely made up of Dublin supporters? That is so so weird. You'd almost swear they were all directed there by stewards. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TF0eKIMk-kk Now I'll direct you to the 2013 final, where you can see what a natural mix of supporters in the Hill looks like. Skip to 7:37 in the video when Stephen Cluxton is taking a free kick. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozlTHAYAvJc&t=459s Now that you've watched those videos, coupled with the anecdotal evidence myself and another poster have provided, can I finally have that apology?"
There is no seperation of supporters on the Hill. You can anywhere you like, I've stood beside big groups of Mayo /Kerry/Tyrone fans at all the finals of late.
I've looked at your videos and you can see that supporters congregate with their own but there is still clearly blue mixed with red and green and vice versa. There is no clear dividing line, just areas with less Dubs and areas with less Mayo. Not seperation between them all and yet you think it proves your point! Very strange, that you just keep doubling down with your lies when it's clear as day that you're telling a lie."]So how woud you explain the difference between the random, natural, congregation of supporters in the 2013 final, and the fact that the majority of Mayo supporters are at the sides of the Hill in the 2017 final?
jonjon (Mayo) - Posts: 99 - 17/09/2019 18:11:12
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Replying To jonjon: "Ironic that you ask for evidence in your post and then write a bare faced lie about Mayo and Kerry fans.
Why would you think I have evidence? Do you think I go into the hill when Dublin play and take footage of certain fans behaviour?
The reality is no where in any other ground in the country are fans separated, and in no other ground would you be fearful of your personal safety and have to avoid certain areas of the ground.
Why do you think they started separating fans when Dublin play?
We've all heard the stories of opposition fans getting in early and standing behind the goal, only for a certain type of Dubs fan to arrive shortly before throw in and become aggressive telling them that their standing in their spot.
I was on the Hill for the 13 final, up on the top corner of it near the cusack stand, and we were discussing the break down of Mayo to Dublin fans in the hill with a Dublin family beside us. Even they said that Mayo fans wouldn't want to be standing behind the goal before throw in because of certain Dubs fans who will be arriving.
That is a Hill-16 only thing when Dublin play." Yes but we all know that you are telling lies. No fans are perfect. I saw two Mayo fans beating the lard out of each other before a league game in Castlebar. I've seen a Mayo fan run onto the pitch to attack opposing players and officials in Limerick, I've seen a Mayo player throw a GPS at a Dublin player. No county is without its problems. You only seem to have started posting since the final and your county had no involvement in it. All of your posts attempt to be antagonistic. It does make you wonder. Is that you TheMaster or Legend even?
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 17/09/2019 18:21:04
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Also Jonjon, I have not attacked you as a person.
I've attacked the fact that you've told a lie.
Don't compound your original lie with yet more lies.
An attack on your posts is not an attack on you personally.
Just so we're clear, your post was a lie and I don't know if your a habitual liar or not but find it strange that you double down on your lie when it's clear that you're telling a lie.
I don't think anything above is an unreasonable thing to think.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13705 - 17/09/2019 18:47:24
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