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Replying To jonjon:  "It's actually a laughable claim, and a clear attempt to deflect from the nasty element of Dublins supporters in the hill. Just going to add that it's obviously a minority so as not to tar all fans with the same brush, but the reality is it's an element that is not found in any other ground in Ireland."
you have just let yourself and mayo fans down with your silly statements

Tarismelting22 (Roscommon) - Posts: 760 - 17/09/2019 12:16:40    2236562

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Replying To Wally:  "You're right Seanie.

These lads need to catch themselves on.

Its getting embarrassing now.

But you and I both know that they are prone to a bit of wild exaggeration.

Could you imagine what this thread would be like if Tyrone had of been involved :-)

I still find it shocking though that RTE have not featured this story anywhere."
The only embarressing one in this whole thread us yourself and you as you say would want to catch yourself on. The guards were there they would have dealt with the incident how they saw fit why would the national broadcaster report on this there are bigger rows outside chippers on a night out and i dont see rte rushing to report.

And stop with your everyone is against tyrone your embarressing

Tarismelting22 (Roscommon) - Posts: 760 - 17/09/2019 12:20:05    2236565

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Replying To MesAmis:  "But opposition fans are not segregated on the Hill when Dublin play.

Why are you making up lies? I'd genuinely be interested to know why you like to lie.

I watch most games from the hill and have seen very few incidents over the years. I was there on Saturday with my teenage daughter, and there was a a Kerry father and son beside us, not a bother.

The incident that happened was deplorable from all concerned but let's not pretend it is a regular occurrence.

Again I've no idea why you'd decide to lie like above, especially when it is such an obvious lie that everyone knows isn't true! Very strange behaviour from you to be honest."
It is not a lie.

Obviously it is much harder to separate fans on the Hill than it is in say a premier league game, as tickets to the hill are just general admission and you can stand whereever, so it is not a 100% separation of fans.

However, stewards have clearly been directed to separate opposition fans from Dublin fans.

Take a look at the highlights from from 2019 All Ireland final, or the 2017 All Ireland final or the 2016 replay.

Notice how the majority of the Mayo and Kerry fans have been directed up to the side of the hill near the cusack stand.

I didn't stand on the hill on those days but I heard from my friends straight after the match how stewards were separating Mayo fans from Dubs and directing them up to that section of the hill.

It was also clear as day when looking at the hill from the cusack stand where I was sitting, and it's still clear as day today when you look at the highlights on YouTube, it's especially obvious in the 2017 final due to the numbers of Mayo fans who had tickets for the hill.

Someone in this thread posted a similar story. I'll quote it for you:

"2 weeks ago a couple of Kerry young lads were in the hill for the minor game (cork and Galway) and they situated themselves behind the goals when the stewards came down and told them move up to the back corner, when the 2 lads asked why they had to move they were told it was for their own safety"

I hope you'll take this on board, and apologise for calling me a liar.

jonjon (Mayo) - Posts: 99 - 17/09/2019 12:31:53    2236571

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Replying To Tarismelting22:  "you have just let yourself and mayo fans down with your silly statements"
No he hasn't.

There is a large and very nasty element to Hill16 and if the GAA had any balls (and impartiality which they certainly don't when it comes to Dublin) they'd insert seating and ensure it is a mixed area. Really don't see why this unsporting yob (the deafening jeers for Kerry's wides were an absolute disgrace and an affront to the sport) should be accommodated in this way.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1316 - 17/09/2019 12:33:14    2236573

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Replying To Tarismelting22:  "The only embarressing one in this whole thread us yourself and you as you say would want to catch yourself on. The guards were there they would have dealt with the incident how they saw fit why would the national broadcaster report on this there are bigger rows outside chippers on a night out and i dont see rte rushing to report.

And stop with your everyone is against tyrone your embarressing"
Your spelling and grammar is atrocious.

Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 912 - 17/09/2019 12:34:20    2236574

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Replying To Tarismelting22:  "you have just let yourself and mayo fans down with your silly statements"
I pointed out that

1) The stewards separate opposition fans from Dublin fans on the Hill. This doesn't happen in any other ground with any other supporters. I have even given evidence of this, and someone else posted about it too.

2) That there is a nasty element to Dublin support in behind the goal in hill 16.

3) A Dublin family I was talking to on the hill even admitted that.

Which of those points exactly let's myself and other Mayo supporters down? Genuinely curious.

jonjon (Mayo) - Posts: 99 - 17/09/2019 12:38:53    2236577

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Replying To Crinigan:  "No he hasn't.

There is a large and very nasty element to Hill16 and if the GAA had any balls (and impartiality which they certainly don't when it comes to Dublin) they'd insert seating and ensure it is a mixed area. Really don't see why this unsporting yob (the deafening jeers for Kerry's wides were an absolute disgrace and an affront to the sport) should be accommodated in this way."
Wow - you really dont like the Dubs....

Unsporting yob now eh...

It is gas all this talk about the booing - TG4 recently showed the Kerry v Dublin game in Thurles from years ago, and to my absolute horror - the boos from the unsporting yobs in green & gold was deafening, even all these years later....
Go check out the late Dublin free to win the game for yourself if you dont believe me.......

As for unsporting - did you not notice the meath player from Kilmainham pushing against the post and causing the upright to move in advance of a Dublin free for a point this Summer... nah, maybe you were not there and only watch from home eh....

I doubt if we referred to other fans in such a derogatory way it would get posted.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3725 - 17/09/2019 12:55:27    2236581

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Replying To avonali:  "Well, well, well. So you're from Kilkenny and you're posting here under an assortment of names. What does that say about you? Caught out because you were in such a rage you forgot to change aliases Hahahaha. You have zero credibility.
You haven't the courage to post under one name but you have to pretend you're from another county. Pathetic childish carry on.

But you know what. You let yourself down badly when you purporting to quote me and altered my words a while back.The post was taken down because you amended my words to mean something disgusingt. You sir are a troll. No credibility and no class."
Busted. Leg End.

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 17/09/2019 13:00:59    2236583

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It is not a lie.

Obviously it is much harder to separate fans on the Hill than it is in say a premier league game, as tickets to the hill are just general admission and you can stand whereever, so it is not a 100% separation of fans.

However, stewards have clearly been directed to separate opposition fans from Dublin fans.

Take a look at the highlights from from 2019 All Ireland final, or the 2017 All Ireland final or the 2016 replay.

Notice how the majority of the Mayo and Kerry fans have been directed up to the side of the hill near the cusack stand.

I didn't stand on the hill on those days but I heard from my friends straight after the match how stewards were separating Mayo fans from Dubs and directing them up to that section of the hill.

It was also clear as day when looking at the hill from the cusack stand where I was sitting, and it's still clear as day today when you look at the highlights on YouTube, it's especially obvious in the 2017 final due to the numbers of Mayo fans who had tickets for the hill.

Someone in this thread posted a similar story. I'll quote it for you:

"2 weeks ago a couple of Kerry young lads were in the hill for the minor game (cork and Galway) and they situated themselves behind the goals when the stewards came down and told them move up to the back corner, when the 2 lads asked why they had to move they were told it was for their own safety"

I hope you'll take this on board, and apologise for calling me a liar.
jonjon (Mayo) - Posts: 17 - 17/09/2019 12:31:53

You have lied though, I don't know if you are a habitual liar or not but you've certainly lied here.

I've been on the hill for all those games and there was no attempt to stop people from standing in any particular section according to what county they were from.

There were Kerry people in all different sections of the Hill on Saturday, as there had been for the drawn game. They were there beside me, directly behind the goals.

Stewards ask people to move if they are in a section that is over full or if they are blocking the steps. And that is of course for their own safety and the safety of all others on the terrace, and quite right too.

I can't apologise for calling you a liar because you are clearly telling lies.

There is no attempt to separate fans on Hill 16. Otherwise how do you explain the fact that there were Kerry and Dublin fans in all corners of the hill last Saturday as well as at the drawn match. The same in the recent finals against Mayo, there were Dublin and Mayo fans in all sections of the hill, there were Tyrone and Dublin fans in all sections of the hill last year.

Your lie is quite so obviously a lie that it is staggering that you are so committed to your lie.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13705 - 17/09/2019 13:28:51    2236592

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It's simply to do with drink and heightened tensions. You always see it - winners elated and the others left deflated. Pour in a few pints and you will always get those reactions. Best not to take a few pints if you cant behave yourself and take the disappointment of losing. That works equally for both teams in any game.

Kildare30 (Kildare) - Posts: 603 - 17/09/2019 13:40:44    2236600

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Replying To jonjon:  "I pointed out that

1) The stewards separate opposition fans from Dublin fans on the Hill. This doesn't happen in any other ground with any other supporters. I have even given evidence of this, and someone else posted about it too.

2) That there is a nasty element to Dublin support in behind the goal in hill 16.

3) A Dublin family I was talking to on the hill even admitted that.

Which of those points exactly let's myself and other Mayo supporters down? Genuinely curious."
If there was segregation there would be no kerry fans mixed in with the dubs which was not the case therefore your point is not valid

Tarismelting22 (Roscommon) - Posts: 760 - 17/09/2019 14:10:38    2236610

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Replying To Wally:  "Your spelling and grammar is atrocious."
And if you are going to bring up my argument i think that says it all really.

Tarismelting22 (Roscommon) - Posts: 760 - 17/09/2019 14:11:58    2236611

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Replying To Crinigan:  "No he hasn't.

There is a large and very nasty element to Hill16 and if the GAA had any balls (and impartiality which they certainly don't when it comes to Dublin) they'd insert seating and ensure it is a mixed area. Really don't see why this unsporting yob (the deafening jeers for Kerry's wides were an absolute disgrace and an affront to the sport) should be accommodated in this way."
Your anti-Dublin bias is blinding you- and making you deaf too apparently.
1. Did you not hear the deafening Kerry booing when Dublin withheld possession. Is that acceptable? I suppose you'#ll say it is because it's only the Dubs. Were those that booed Dublin also 'unsporting yobs'?? I'd be interested in your answer.
2. Go onto the Kerry proBoards GAA forum and check out what decent Kerry fans have to say about the trouble on the HIll. The consensus is that is was started by a group of Kerry lads who spat atand thrtew things at Kerry fans. I saw the same group coming up Clonliffe Road and their language and carry on was as bad as I've ever seen from any Dublin fan.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 17/09/2019 14:17:18    2236614

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Replying To Kildare30:  "It's simply to do with drink and heightened tensions. You always see it - winners elated and the others left deflated. Pour in a few pints and you will always get those reactions. Best not to take a few pints if you cant behave yourself and take the disappointment of losing. That works equally for both teams in any game."
Hear hear.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 17/09/2019 14:18:15    2236616

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Replying To avonali:  "Your anti-Dublin bias is blinding you- and making you deaf too apparently.
1. Did you not hear the deafening Kerry booing when Dublin withheld possession. Is that acceptable? I suppose you'#ll say it is because it's only the Dubs. Were those that booed Dublin also 'unsporting yobs'?? I'd be interested in your answer.
2. Go onto the Kerry proBoards GAA forum and check out what decent Kerry fans have to say about the trouble on the HIll. The consensus is that is was started by a group of Kerry lads who spat atand thrtew things at Kerry fans. I saw the same group coming up Clonliffe Road and their language and carry on was as bad as I've ever seen from any Dublin fan."
apologies...threw things at Dublin fans.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 17/09/2019 14:21:53    2236618

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Replying To Tarismelting22:  "And if you are going to bring up my argument i think that says it all really."
What?

Please use the grammar checker on your phone or computer. Then come back to me with a coherent argument and I will gladly debate it with you.

I am not going to waste my time reading gibberish.

Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 912 - 17/09/2019 14:24:27    2236619

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Replying To Wally:  "Your spelling and grammar is atrocious."
If the subject is plural, (spelling & grammar in this instance), then the verb (are) should be plural.
So the correct grammar for your statement should read 'Your spelling & grammar are atrocious.'
Wouldn't normally point such trivia out but just as a FYI

greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 965 - 17/09/2019 14:42:13    2236627

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Replying To MesAmis:  "It is not a lie.

Obviously it is much harder to separate fans on the Hill than it is in say a premier league game, as tickets to the hill are just general admission and you can stand whereever, so it is not a 100% separation of fans.

However, stewards have clearly been directed to separate opposition fans from Dublin fans.

Take a look at the highlights from from 2019 All Ireland final, or the 2017 All Ireland final or the 2016 replay.

Notice how the majority of the Mayo and Kerry fans have been directed up to the side of the hill near the cusack stand.

I didn't stand on the hill on those days but I heard from my friends straight after the match how stewards were separating Mayo fans from Dubs and directing them up to that section of the hill.

It was also clear as day when looking at the hill from the cusack stand where I was sitting, and it's still clear as day today when you look at the highlights on YouTube, it's especially obvious in the 2017 final due to the numbers of Mayo fans who had tickets for the hill.

Someone in this thread posted a similar story. I'll quote it for you:

"2 weeks ago a couple of Kerry young lads were in the hill for the minor game (cork and Galway) and they situated themselves behind the goals when the stewards came down and told them move up to the back corner, when the 2 lads asked why they had to move they were told it was for their own safety"

I hope you'll take this on board, and apologise for calling me a liar.
jonjon (Mayo) - Posts: 17 - 17/09/2019 12:31:53

You have lied though, I don't know if you are a habitual liar or not but you've certainly lied here.

I've been on the hill for all those games and there was no attempt to stop people from standing in any particular section according to what county they were from.

There were Kerry people in all different sections of the Hill on Saturday, as there had been for the drawn game. They were there beside me, directly behind the goals.

Stewards ask people to move if they are in a section that is over full or if they are blocking the steps. And that is of course for their own safety and the safety of all others on the terrace, and quite right too.

I can't apologise for calling you a liar because you are clearly telling lies.

There is no attempt to separate fans on Hill 16. Otherwise how do you explain the fact that there were Kerry and Dublin fans in all corners of the hill last Saturday as well as at the drawn match. The same in the recent finals against Mayo, there were Dublin and Mayo fans in all sections of the hill, there were Tyrone and Dublin fans in all sections of the hill last year.

Your lie is quite so obviously a lie that it is staggering that you are so committed to your lie."
As I have already said, separating fans in the hill is not an exact science as there are not separate tickets for separate sections. Obviously you end up with a mix of supporters, the stewards cannot do a perfect job. you have just latched onto this and wrote a whole post about it, even though I've already addressed it.

Why haven't you addressed any of the actual points I wrote?

Did you actually look at the YouTube video of the 2017 All Ireland final?

Are you calling the other poster who spoke about the exact same thing a liar as well?

You can personally insult me and question whether I am a habitual liar and if I like to lie, but you are not attacking my points, you are attacking me as a person.




Considering that you clearly didn't bother watch any videos on YouTube I am going to make that job a little bit easier for you. I am going to provide you now with a link to fan footage of the parade before the 2017 final. Tell me why do you think that the section of the hill beside the cusack stand is made up of almost entirely Mayo supporters? Whilst the seciton behind the goal is almost entirely made up of Dublin supporters? That is so so weird. You'd almost swear they were all directed there by stewards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TF0eKIMk-kk




Now I'll direct you to the 2013 final, where you can see what a natural mix of supporters in the Hill looks like. Skip to 7:37 in the video when Stephen Cluxton is taking a free kick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozlTHAYAvJc&t=459s





Now that you've watched those videos, coupled with the anecdotal evidence myself and another poster have provided, can I finally have that apology?

jonjon (Mayo) - Posts: 99 - 17/09/2019 14:49:54    2236637

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Replying To avonali:  "apologies...threw things at Dublin fans."
I did hear booing for when Dublin held onto the ball. This is due to the fact that such tactics is generally seen as being against the spirit of the game although personally I don't have an issue with holding possession in order to drag the oppositions shape around.
But this is not necessarily unsporting (its more frustration, similar to Dublin fans booing Donegal for camping in their own half) and is definitely nowhere close to the realm of loudly jeering young players on the opposition team kicking wides.

I've been to a lot of championship games this year, in Mayo, in Donegal, in Kildare and it is a uniquely Dublin phenomenon to jeer opposition wides.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1316 - 17/09/2019 14:50:57    2236638

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-BfTKAWDFw&t=1074s

Here's a link to the 2016 final. Skip to 17:55. Does that look like a normal mix of supporters on the hill?

jonjon (Mayo) - Posts: 99 - 17/09/2019 14:58:51    2236643

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