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Stephen Cluxton

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Replying To farneygael:  "he is a legend and a class player and changed the game thats for sure. just wish he had more of a character though lol
that dont take away from his greatness though . fair play"
He does have a character, it's just different to other people and he ain't looking to be a star.

In fact he has a very strong character as he bows to no-ones pressure and sets his own norms

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1495 - 18/09/2019 09:21:46    2236970

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An absolute icon of a man..his longevity is also something to marvel at..I was only a young boy in primary school watching this man play in goal for Dublin..I'm now a full grown man watching him more less get better and better and his achievements are simply astonishing..should he call it a day and hang up his boots this year he should be celebrated as the greatest goalkeeper of all time in our game..his coolness in 2011 slotting that free over as if it was a Tuesday night training session for the club..his kickouts and revolutionizing of the game..even 5 years ago sticking a fella in goal was nearly seen as an insult..now it's near the most important position on the field all down to clucko..he's an absolute legend who owes nothing to Dublin or the GAA..Dublin and the GAA owe an awful lot back to him tho..what a man

pidge (Cork) - Posts: 528 - 18/09/2019 22:58:47    2237388

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Cluxton is a great goalkeeper, a great footballer, a great captain, a "future hall of famer" as they say in US sports. Never met the man but seems like a thoroughly decent fella. All that stuff, I get it.

I'm going to get shot down for this but here goes - I've always thought that he should have let different teammates lift the cup and give the victory speeches for different titles the Dubs have won this decade (Leagues, Leinsters, All Irelands​). I get that he's the captain, but I don't think there's a rule saying the captain HAS to give the victory speech ALL the time! And it's not just that he's not a great orator (which doesn't help admittedly). He could be Martin Luther King, but people wouldn't be able to listen to even MLK giving the same speech for the 20th time!

I think it would have been a nice gesture to allow others players (and their families and clubs) the pride and glory of lifting at least some of the cups. Even those victory posters with the montage of the different years would be more interesting with different players lifting the cup.

I guess debating about which player lifts the cup is what most counties would call a first world problem! Not trying to be goady, just a genuine bugbear of mine!

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1082 - 21/09/2019 06:40:02    2237986

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Oh Captain, My Captain.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 2933 - 21/09/2019 10:18:46    2238002

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Replying To ballydalane:  "Cluxton is a great goalkeeper, a great footballer, a great captain, a "future hall of famer" as they say in US sports. Never met the man but seems like a thoroughly decent fella. All that stuff, I get it.

I'm going to get shot down for this but here goes - I've always thought that he should have let different teammates lift the cup and give the victory speeches for different titles the Dubs have won this decade (Leagues, Leinsters, All Irelands​). I get that he's the captain, but I don't think there's a rule saying the captain HAS to give the victory speech ALL the time! And it's not just that he's not a great orator (which doesn't help admittedly). He could be Martin Luther King, but people wouldn't be able to listen to even MLK giving the same speech for the 20th time!

I think it would have been a nice gesture to allow others players (and their families and clubs) the pride and glory of lifting at least some of the cups. Even those victory posters with the montage of the different years would be more interesting with different players lifting the cup.

I guess debating about which player lifts the cup is what most counties would call a first world problem! Not trying to be goady, just a genuine bugbear of mine!"
To be honest I'd do away with speeches alltogether, majority of them are cringworthy, 3 cheers and all that. I suppose the captain is the teams representative and no better man than Cluxton. A true leader of men.
What I don't agree with it is where the county champions nominate the captain, that's just wrong. Even in your own counties case JJ or Tommy never got a chance to captain the cats because of that.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 754 - 21/09/2019 13:06:24    2238048

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Replying To ballydalane:  "Cluxton is a great goalkeeper, a great footballer, a great captain, a "future hall of famer" as they say in US sports. Never met the man but seems like a thoroughly decent fella. All that stuff, I get it.

I'm going to get shot down for this but here goes - I've always thought that he should have let different teammates lift the cup and give the victory speeches for different titles the Dubs have won this decade (Leagues, Leinsters, All Irelands​). I get that he's the captain, but I don't think there's a rule saying the captain HAS to give the victory speech ALL the time! And it's not just that he's not a great orator (which doesn't help admittedly). He could be Martin Luther King, but people wouldn't be able to listen to even MLK giving the same speech for the 20th time!

I think it would have been a nice gesture to allow others players (and their families and clubs) the pride and glory of lifting at least some of the cups. Even those victory posters with the montage of the different years would be more interesting with different players lifting the cup.

I guess debating about which player lifts the cup is what most counties would call a first world problem! Not trying to be goady, just a genuine bugbear of mine!"
Could you imagine the whinging though if he did he did that though?!

The Dubs would be accused of disrespect to competition by the rest of the country!

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 12724 - 21/09/2019 15:20:20    2238067

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What a man!

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13502 - 21/09/2019 17:51:09    2238095

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Replying To MesAmis:  "Could you imagine the whinging though if he did he did that though?!

The Dubs would be accused of disrespect to competition by the rest of the country!"
Haha you're probably right - "arrogant Dubs draw lots to see who'll lift Sam!"

TheImmortal (USA) - Posts: 4 - 21/09/2019 20:40:57    2238128

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Replying To Bon:  "To be honest I'd do away with speeches alltogether, majority of them are cringworthy, 3 cheers and all that. I suppose the captain is the teams representative and no better man than Cluxton. A true leader of men.
What I don't agree with it is where the county champions nominate the captain, that's just wrong. Even in your own counties case JJ or Tommy never got a chance to captain the cats because of that."
Most people in Kilkenny support the tradition, it's a great honour for the club who wins the county championship. Although it led to some unheralded captains lifting Liam (Joey Holden, Lester Ryan etc.) it didn't change the fact that JJ, Tommy, Shefflin and others were still the leaders on the field.

Thinking on it though, I reckon even if Cluxton said to Gavin, "can such-and-such a player lift the cup this year", Gavin would probably knock the idea on the head as it might put other players' noses out of joint - "why is that b*llix lifting the cup, I've been on the panel longer than him?!"

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1082 - 22/09/2019 10:32:26    2238205

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Dont like captains giving speech. If they want to talk after do it to press immediate. dont see why has to be at mic on stage

Players in county squad and coaching team should be picking the captain as well not county champions nominating the captain.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 285 - 22/09/2019 11:29:56    2238214

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Replying To ballydalane:  "Most people in Kilkenny support the tradition, it's a great honour for the club who wins the county championship. Although it led to some unheralded captains lifting Liam (Joey Holden, Lester Ryan etc.) it didn't change the fact that JJ, Tommy, Shefflin and others were still the leaders on the field.

Thinking on it though, I reckon even if Cluxton said to Gavin, "can such-and-such a player lift the cup this year", Gavin would probably knock the idea on the head as it might put other players' noses out of joint - "why is that b*llix lifting the cup, I've been on the panel longer than him?!""
Yeah couldn't you just imagine Jim Gavin if Cluxton said he wanted one of the lads to lift it!
It is a massive honour for any club to have one of their own captain the county team as you said, but you would imagine that the captaincy would have done more for hurling in the likes Johnstown or Tullaroan than it would have done for some of the big guns like ballyhale or O'Loughlins, the village etc.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 754 - 23/09/2019 07:41:39    2238417

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