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Replying To Crinigan: "Nor do feral parasites in social housing..." nor do neanderthal Hill Top dwellers.....Royal my ar*e
avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 15/09/2019 14:33:14
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Replying To WanPintWin: "A phenomenal achievement. Back to back All-Irelands were a much rarer achievement in the last 30 years than in previous decades, so to put 5 together is phenomenal.
I've seen a lot of comments about conditioning and athletes. For me Dublin's skill level stands out. So many of their forwards are very comfortable off both feet. Their kick passing was excellent yesterday for the most part yesterday.
While it's not fair to compare eras, I've seen comments saying the Kerry team of the 70s and 80s were a better 'footballing' team. They weren't in my opinion, and not even close. The skill levels in today's game are night and day compared to then.
Pat Spillane who would've been one of the most skillful players of that era, was predominantly one-footed.
Every sport evolves and it's only natural with the amount of time spent coaching young lads today that skills would improve.
Congrats to the Dubs. It's up to the rest of us to step up." Couldn't agree more. These Dublin lads are very skillful as well as being great athletes. Fenton,Howard,O'Callaghan in particular are savage strong and conditioned athletes. The power they have within themselves to push on and hold men off is unreal. They have lads who can kick of both feet,great runners,great fielders and passers by kick or hand pass. Yesterday's motm Ciaran Kilkenny has an engine that purrs on relentlessly and he can hand pass as far as some lads can kick!Diarmuid Connolly gave one of the sweetest long range kick passes that I've ever seen in my life yesterday,it was sublime. Add in there that they have the best goalie ever in football and you can "see" how they do it. The evolving skill level is there in Kerry too and other county teams. Clifford is a joy,scoring of both feet. I hope he can really be the player we know he has the potential to be. Oddly enough the boy left of the commentary panel was scoffing at the likes of Enda McNulty and others for trying to get lads to use their weaker foot etc. Its a great ability to have in Gaelic football and adds to a teams all round capabilities. If Tyrone had a few more like Frank Mc Guigan in the 80's we'd probably have won an all Ireland then. He had great skill with both feet. Anyway this is the era of the Dubs. They are the greatest team ever and have been a joy to watch if they're not tanking your own team :)
seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 15/09/2019 14:34:10
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Replying To realdub: "I believe Celtic can purchase players, is this correct?" Dublin are a lot more like PSG or Man City I'd have thought rather than Celtic. Same time of armchair republican fans on their terraces though...
Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1316 - 15/09/2019 14:36:12
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Great manager, great players, great attitude, great coaches, great funding......it all adds up folks, like it or not :-)
Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 15/09/2019 15:02:30
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No escaping the cesspit of negativity and begrudgery even on this thread :(
The five in a row is a combination of factors with funding being one of the them but it is certainly not the be all and end all.
Did money pay for Gavin and Cluxton's supreme leadership and drive? No
Did money coach Sherlock to be a top player across three sporting codes and pass on his basketball tactics to this team? No
Fenton was initially missed by the development squads and developed into the player he is by his own sheer drive and determination.
Money or no money this is a one in a generation/ lifetime set of Dublin players.
Teams who are closest to challenging Dublin (Kerry, Tyrone, Mayo) are superb at fundraising overseas. As the saying goes there's more than one way to skin a cat and the challenge is there for the other counties to figure out what they need to do.
Fair play to Dublin, not only are their a brilliant team, they are brilliant to watch in an era when football was very defence orientated and dull.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 15/09/2019 15:09:45
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Replying To Crinigan: "Nor do feral parasites in social housing..." Speaks volumes about you.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 15/09/2019 15:18:23
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Replying To Htaem: "Great manager, great players, great attitude, great coaches, great funding......it all adds up folks, like it or not :-)" This is hard to get away from.The AIG deal is unparalled in the history of the GAA. Massive money to essentially arrange a professional set up within the legal realms of the amateur game. Can Meath or Kildare or anyone outside Leinster get an AIG type deal? That's the next question. Canavan is right that other counties need to arrange this new model of preparing teams. The deal alone won't solve underlying issues and that's where credit is due to Dublin. They've wonderful players, a wonderful manager and a wonderful set-up which they take full advantage of and they just concentrate on becoming phenomenal footballers and a seamless collective. But in the background the money machine is making these things possible and when you see other counties sponsored by creameries and hotels... you really have to wonder where the equity of all this will come from. Is it the GAA's job to level the playing field? Is it up to the county boards to get similar deals to the AIG one? Dublin though were brilliant yesterday again and their insatiable resolve is admirable.
Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1319 - 15/09/2019 15:19:49
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Replying To Killarney.87: "No escaping the cesspit of negativity and begrudgery even on this thread :(
The five in a row is a combination of factors with funding being one of the them but it is certainly not the be all and end all.
Did money pay for Gavin and Cluxton's supreme leadership and drive? No
Did money coach Sherlock to be a top player across three sporting codes and pass on his basketball tactics to this team? No
Fenton was initially missed by the development squads and developed into the player he is by his own sheer drive and determination.
Money or no money this is a one in a generation/ lifetime set of Dublin players.
Teams who are closest to challenging Dublin (Kerry, Tyrone, Mayo) are superb at fundraising overseas. As the saying goes there's more than one way to skin a cat and the challenge is there for the other counties to figure out what they need to do.
Fair play to Dublin, not only are their a brilliant team, they are brilliant to watch in an era when football was very defence orientated and dull." Excellent post.
How this team and its achievement cannot be acknowledged by certain folk doesnt surprise me.
Even if we were losing they would still moan about Dublin...
Also, we would still be in a state of Puke Football were it not for Dublin's attacking style of football which after 2014, shattered that Defensive Puke Football once and for all.
Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3725 - 15/09/2019 15:28:45
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Replying To Donegal_abroad: "This is hard to get away from.The AIG deal is unparalled in the history of the GAA. Massive money to essentially arrange a professional set up within the legal realms of the amateur game. Can Meath or Kildare or anyone outside Leinster get an AIG type deal? That's the next question. Canavan is right that other counties need to arrange this new model of preparing teams. The deal alone won't solve underlying issues and that's where credit is due to Dublin. They've wonderful players, a wonderful manager and a wonderful set-up which they take full advantage of and they just concentrate on becoming phenomenal footballers and a seamless collective. But in the background the money machine is making these things possible and when you see other counties sponsored by creameries and hotels... you really have to wonder where the equity of all this will come from. Is it the GAA's job to level the playing field? Is it up to the county boards to get similar deals to the AIG one? Dublin though were brilliant yesterday again and their insatiable resolve is admirable." Look you can't take away from their desire and commitment, it's phenomenal and money can't buy a good attitude. All credit to them for that, I mean that sincerely, they seem like a great group of lads.
But money did play a significant role in this achievement, people will call that bitter and it's their right to do so, but you simply can't deny that money matters, it's foolish to say otherwise.
I think the Gaa have to do more to level the playing field, now I'm all for the free market so fairplay to Dublin for securing the AIG deal but the Gaa has to be careful not to allow a monopoly develop.
Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 15/09/2019 15:37:47
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Replying To Killarney.87: "No escaping the cesspit of negativity and begrudgery even on this thread :(
The five in a row is a combination of factors with funding being one of the them but it is certainly not the be all and end all.
Did money pay for Gavin and Cluxton's supreme leadership and drive? No
Did money coach Sherlock to be a top player across three sporting codes and pass on his basketball tactics to this team? No
Fenton was initially missed by the development squads and developed into the player he is by his own sheer drive and determination.
Money or no money this is a one in a generation/ lifetime set of Dublin players.
Teams who are closest to challenging Dublin (Kerry, Tyrone, Mayo) are superb at fundraising overseas. As the saying goes there's more than one way to skin a cat and the challenge is there for the other counties to figure out what they need to do.
Fair play to Dublin, not only are their a brilliant team, they are brilliant to watch in an era when football was very defence orientated and dull." I agree, good post.
Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 15/09/2019 15:39:07
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Replying To Fionn: "Excellent post.
How this team and its achievement cannot be acknowledged by certain folk doesnt surprise me.
Even if we were losing they would still moan about Dublin...
Also, we would still be in a state of Puke Football were it not for Dublin's attacking style of football which after 2014, shattered that Defensive Puke Football once and for all." Now don't be letting yourself down by posting negative terms that were applied begrudgingly to past teams by others in the past. It's not lost on most that there was noticeable booing at Dublin yesterday when they in fact wouldn't attack on 2/3 different occasions. Now I personally don't think the onus is solely on the team in possession to do this,the other team must fight for possession too. Enjoy your great moment as a Dublin fan.
seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 15/09/2019 15:43:44
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All counties who dream of winning an All Ireland must heed Peter Canavan's post match comments yesterday. For some time now it's apparent the main difference between Dublin and the other top teams is the physical condition. Having great players is just not enough anymore to win All Irelands. The physical conditioning needed to be able to play at that high intensity for 75 minutes, whether we like it or not, takes years to develope, apart from the obvious commitment of players and management and the also obvious financial support. Love it or despise it, thats the reality we are all in now.
michael (Cork) - Posts: 381 - 15/09/2019 15:52:45
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Replying To Htaem: "Look you can't take away from their desire and commitment, it's phenomenal and money can't buy a good attitude. All credit to them for that, I mean that sincerely, they seem like a great group of lads.
But money did play a significant role in this achievement, people will call that bitter and it's their right to do so, but you simply can't deny that money matters, it's foolish to say otherwise.
I think the Gaa have to do more to level the playing field, now I'm all for the free market so fairplay to Dublin for securing the AIG deal but the Gaa has to be careful not to allow a monopoly develop." Kerry Group are not short of a bob or two.... ;o)
Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3725 - 15/09/2019 16:14:32
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Replying To Joxer: "Not sure what Dublin team you're watching but as O'Rourke himself said, not only are you looking at the greatest team of all time you're looking at the greatest forwards of all time. Left foot, right foot, 20m out, 45m out it doesn't matter. Did we see this in the 60s? The athleticism and skill levels these days are unprecedented. Kerry and Dublin forwards are unreal. Dublin hit 10 from play in the first half, they had 1-11 from play by the 36m. Unheard of." The ironic thing is not one of these Dublin players would be able to lace Colm O'Rourke's boots in his heyday. He was out on his own in a star studded Meath team. Even with the knee strapped up he'd be better than Dublin's best forward in 2019, and that was with more aggressive tackling and more physical games than we have nowadays. And constant fast ball coming towards him. None of this tappy solo stuff and pass back to a lad 20 yards behind you like Dublin indulge in now.
This athleticism argument is painful now. Easy to be constantly in the gym when you don't have four hour round trips to training.
Halfdinnerandraspberrycheesecake (Leitrim) - Posts: 48 - 15/09/2019 16:46:16
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Replying To Htaem: "I agree, good post." Cheers, we need to move on as an nation and not always be begrudging anything good.
Of course you need a few bob to win an All Ireland. Running inter county teams now is like running a small business and the problem is there a well meaning old fellas involved with some county boards who are not cut out for what inter county hurling and football has evolved into.
Tipp and limerick wouldn't have won the last two hurling all Irelands without Teneo or JP. I'm sure Glanbia and Kerry Group aren't slow to help out Kilkenny and Kerry.
I'm not criticising any of these teams or their sponsors. I think Peter Canavan is bang on, its time to move with the times and get your own affairs in order.
In general any time Tipp do well there is a good county board in charge and the opposite when we struggle. Coincidence I think not.
Take Galway, the county board seems to be all over the place and it must be soul destroying for the hurling and football teams.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 15/09/2019 16:54:30
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Replying To Donegal_abroad: "This is hard to get away from.The AIG deal is unparalled in the history of the GAA. Massive money to essentially arrange a professional set up within the legal realms of the amateur game. Can Meath or Kildare or anyone outside Leinster get an AIG type deal? That's the next question. Canavan is right that other counties need to arrange this new model of preparing teams. The deal alone won't solve underlying issues and that's where credit is due to Dublin. They've wonderful players, a wonderful manager and a wonderful set-up which they take full advantage of and they just concentrate on becoming phenomenal footballers and a seamless collective. But in the background the money machine is making these things possible and when you see other counties sponsored by creameries and hotels... you really have to wonder where the equity of all this will come from. Is it the GAA's job to level the playing field? Is it up to the county boards to get similar deals to the AIG one? Dublin though were brilliant yesterday again and their insatiable resolve is admirable." Kerry group, Kepak, Club Tyrone (A collection of very wealthly Tyrone business people), Elvery's are examples of companies who have been required to fund All Ireland winning teams. Also counties along the West coast in particular have huge money making machines overseas - so big they'd almost require a chief executive to deal with the input/output and logistics of the work they do.
There was very little complaint about the money these companies or ex pats provided over the years; Dublin certainly didn't complain during their 16 years without an All Ireland. The GAA was actually a very small sport in it's own county in comparsion to it's population and the role of funding is make the GAA part of small communities within the larger urban areas.
If the funding is an issue then we will have serious problems in the future. This current crop of players though were well into the system before this funding or sponsorship came about. Where the money from AIG is useful is preparing the team to be the best it can be but figures don't show Dublin as spending significantly more in preparing teams than the other big counties.
Kerry group is one of the biggest multi-national companies in Ireland, in it's day of sponsoring Meath Kepak weren't a small company and Elvery's have also deep pockets. Tyrone have a multi-million pound training centre and train in more comfort than Dublin do. Mickey Harte always dismisses funding and senior Kerry people are careful of what is said because they know over the years their own counties have operated on a significantly higher scale than counties around them. Brolly talked about Derry being able to at least compete with Tyrone in his day but now due to the vast sums of money; Tyrone have become a superpower.
Sponsorship differences is an issue in the GAA and we are having a situation where counties are pulling away from smaller/medium size counties.
However it's not the reason why Dublin have won 5 in a row because there is a number of superpowers in the football championship - Dublin's main challengers are not exactly searching down the back of the sofa; they have very deep pockets themselves to prepare teams and ensure strength and conditioning mirrors professional sports teams.
The Kerry's, Mayo's, Tyrone's and possibly Donegal are counties who are very wealthly and I'm convinced if they had the team to beat Dublin, money wouldn't an issue. The fact is this Dublin team are a very special group who would have won multiple All Ireland's in any era - jealousy is obvious but the true facts related to the likes of Kerry Group / ex pat groups are not mentioned because it doesn't suit the narrative.
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Replying To Joxer: "Speaks volumes about you." Poor Dub fans suddenly all sensitive...no problem referring to country people as farmers and boggers, get very sensitive suddenly when shoe on other foot.
Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1316 - 15/09/2019 17:15:17
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Replying To Halfdinnerandraspberrycheesecake: "The ironic thing is not one of these Dublin players would be able to lace Colm O'Rourke's boots in his heyday. He was out on his own in a star studded Meath team. Even with the knee strapped up he'd be better than Dublin's best forward in 2019, and that was with more aggressive tackling and more physical games than we have nowadays. And constant fast ball coming towards him. None of this tappy solo stuff and pass back to a lad 20 yards behind you like Dublin indulge in now.
This athleticism argument is painful now. Easy to be constantly in the gym when you don't have four hour round trips to training." I hope you winter well, Legend. You can always look back to the team of the early 80s if you need cheering up. Their achievements can never be taken away.
Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 15/09/2019 17:29:15
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Replying To sam1884: "Kerry group, Kepak, Club Tyrone (A collection of very wealthly Tyrone business people), Elvery's are examples of companies who have been required to fund All Ireland winning teams. Also counties along the West coast in particular have huge money making machines overseas - so big they'd almost require a chief executive to deal with the input/output and logistics of the work they do.
There was very little complaint about the money these companies or ex pats provided over the years; Dublin certainly didn't complain during their 16 years without an All Ireland. The GAA was actually a very small sport in it's own county in comparsion to it's population and the role of funding is make the GAA part of small communities within the larger urban areas.
If the funding is an issue then we will have serious problems in the future. This current crop of players though were well into the system before this funding or sponsorship came about. Where the money from AIG is useful is preparing the team to be the best it can be but figures don't show Dublin as spending significantly more in preparing teams than the other big counties.
Kerry group is one of the biggest multi-national companies in Ireland, in it's day of sponsoring Meath Kepak weren't a small company and Elvery's have also deep pockets. Tyrone have a multi-million pound training centre and train in more comfort than Dublin do. Mickey Harte always dismisses funding and senior Kerry people are careful of what is said because they know over the years their own counties have operated on a significantly higher scale than counties around them. Brolly talked about Derry being able to at least compete with Tyrone in his day but now due to the vast sums of money; Tyrone have become a superpower.
Sponsorship differences is an issue in the GAA and we are having a situation where counties are pulling away from smaller/medium size counties.
However it's not the reason why Dublin have won 5 in a row because there is a number of superpowers in the football championship - Dublin's main challengers are not exactly searching down the back of the sofa; they have very deep pockets themselves to prepare teams and ensure strength and conditioning mirrors professional sports teams.
The Kerry's, Mayo's, Tyrone's and possibly Donegal are counties who are very wealthly and I'm convinced if they had the team to beat Dublin, money wouldn't an issue. The fact is this Dublin team are a very special group who would have won multiple All Ireland's in any era - jealousy is obvious but the true facts related to the likes of Kerry Group / ex pat groups are not mentioned because it doesn't suit the narrative." Some of the Dublin squad were through underage etc and system before the money came in but a lot have come through the very recent under 20s winning sides...
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3499 - 15/09/2019 17:42:39
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Replying To sam1884: "Kerry group, Kepak, Club Tyrone (A collection of very wealthly Tyrone business people), Elvery's are examples of companies who have been required to fund All Ireland winning teams. Also counties along the West coast in particular have huge money making machines overseas - so big they'd almost require a chief executive to deal with the input/output and logistics of the work they do.
There was very little complaint about the money these companies or ex pats provided over the years; Dublin certainly didn't complain during their 16 years without an All Ireland. The GAA was actually a very small sport in it's own county in comparsion to it's population and the role of funding is make the GAA part of small communities within the larger urban areas.
If the funding is an issue then we will have serious problems in the future. This current crop of players though were well into the system before this funding or sponsorship came about. Where the money from AIG is useful is preparing the team to be the best it can be but figures don't show Dublin as spending significantly more in preparing teams than the other big counties.
Kerry group is one of the biggest multi-national companies in Ireland, in it's day of sponsoring Meath Kepak weren't a small company and Elvery's have also deep pockets. Tyrone have a multi-million pound training centre and train in more comfort than Dublin do. Mickey Harte always dismisses funding and senior Kerry people are careful of what is said because they know over the years their own counties have operated on a significantly higher scale than counties around them. Brolly talked about Derry being able to at least compete with Tyrone in his day but now due to the vast sums of money; Tyrone have become a superpower.
Sponsorship differences is an issue in the GAA and we are having a situation where counties are pulling away from smaller/medium size counties.
However it's not the reason why Dublin have won 5 in a row because there is a number of superpowers in the football championship - Dublin's main challengers are not exactly searching down the back of the sofa; they have very deep pockets themselves to prepare teams and ensure strength and conditioning mirrors professional sports teams.
The Kerry's, Mayo's, Tyrone's and possibly Donegal are counties who are very wealthly and I'm convinced if they had the team to beat Dublin, money wouldn't an issue. The fact is this Dublin team are a very special group who would have won multiple All Ireland's in any era - jealousy is obvious but the true facts related to the likes of Kerry Group / ex pat groups are not mentioned because it doesn't suit the narrative." Good post - people in glasshouses, come to mind....
Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3725 - 15/09/2019 17:44:06
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