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Announced this morning.
Well deserved.
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Replying To BoynesideBlue: "Announced this morning.
Well deserved." Best man for the final. Great ref, will let the game flow.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7343 - 14/08/2019 12:23:29
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As it should be.
lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 14/08/2019 12:33:54
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I'm just going to say the below one last time and then leave it there because there's no point talking anymore now that the decision has been made. Kerry will just have to grin and bare it and move one.
However as a general principle:
How would Dublin react if the man in the middle was some fella from Cork or Limerick who lived in Tralee, was essentially a member of Strand Road having thought in the school connected and right next to that GAA club, had been previously photographed after an All-Ireland win with players of the team and the Cup and finally had been allegedly invited into Kerry training sessions that very summer to take charge of practice matches.
I mean if people can't see a conflict of interest there (unintentional as it might be on the part of the official) than you'd have to wonder! How can someone so heavily involved at club level in a competing county and working and living there be expected to be seen as impartial. For the next 3 weeks he will be in Dublin during the buildup and will face the consequences of his actions every day for months after in the capital. And you are telling me that, even at a subconscious level, that can't and won't have an impact?
In the run in to the 2015/16 Premiership title race a ref appointed to one of Leicester's games was stood down because he had, in a private capacity, attended one of their games as a spectator earlier on that season. That was the only link he had with the club and yet the Premier League felt the need to stand him down, he had absolutely no issues with it and neither had Leicester or any of the media. And yet in the GAA we have the above.
How far we have regressed in 90 years. In the early 1930s Cavan objected to playing Kerry because a Munster ref was appointed and the official was duly changed. That was a common enough back then and it was understood that ref's often needed to be changed depending on teams drawn to ensure impartiality.
Like I said, I'll say no more now on it as there's no point.
It's just another pothole placed in front of Kerry on the road to trying to stop an inevitable 5 in a Row.
TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 14/08/2019 12:54:23
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I see your point The hermit. very valid to be honest.
But let's stop all this now and let David Gough enjoy his few weeks at being appointed the AI final and no one should tarnish this for him.
This is his big game and no doubt he should have learnt from his mistake in 2016 which in all likelyhood has made him to be a better ref.
woops (Kerry) - Posts: 2073 - 14/08/2019 12:58:37
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It's a poor decision, if it was a Cork man living in Kerry appointed there wouldn't be a hope of him getting the game. Kerry should lodge an objection.
Thelonesomegoose (Leitrim) - Posts: 204 - 14/08/2019 13:05:07
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Replying To TheHermit: "I'm just going to say the below one last time and then leave it there because there's no point talking anymore now that the decision has been made. Kerry will just have to grin and bare it and move one.
However as a general principle:
How would Dublin react if the man in the middle was some fella from Cork or Limerick who lived in Tralee, was essentially a member of Strand Road having thought in the school connected and right next to that GAA club, had been previously photographed after an All-Ireland win with players of the team and the Cup and finally had been allegedly invited into Kerry training sessions that very summer to take charge of practice matches.
I mean if people can't see a conflict of interest there (unintentional as it might be on the part of the official) than you'd have to wonder! How can someone so heavily involved at club level in a competing county and working and living there be expected to be seen as impartial. For the next 3 weeks he will be in Dublin during the buildup and will face the consequences of his actions every day for months after in the capital. And you are telling me that, even at a subconscious level, that can't and won't have an impact?
In the run in to the 2015/16 Premiership title race a ref appointed to one of Leicester's games was stood down because he had, in a private capacity, attended one of their games as a spectator earlier on that season. That was the only link he had with the club and yet the Premier League felt the need to stand him down, he had absolutely no issues with it and neither had Leicester or any of the media. And yet in the GAA we have the above.
How far we have regressed in 90 years. In the early 1930s Cavan objected to playing Kerry because a Munster ref was appointed and the official was duly changed. That was a common enough back then and it was understood that ref's often needed to be changed depending on teams drawn to ensure impartiality.
Like I said, I'll say no more now on it as there's no point.
It's just another pothole placed in front of Kerry on the road to trying to stop an inevitable 5 in a Row." Only a pothole in your own mind imo. If the Kerry players have it as a pothole in their minds too they'll definitely get beaten and probably soundly. I think he is a good choice and the best ref available.
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 14/08/2019 13:06:11
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Replying To TheHermit: "I'm just going to say the below one last time and then leave it there because there's no point talking anymore now that the decision has been made. Kerry will just have to grin and bare it and move one.
However as a general principle:
How would Dublin react if the man in the middle was some fella from Cork or Limerick who lived in Tralee, was essentially a member of Strand Road having thought in the school connected and right next to that GAA club, had been previously photographed after an All-Ireland win with players of the team and the Cup and finally had been allegedly invited into Kerry training sessions that very summer to take charge of practice matches.
I mean if people can't see a conflict of interest there (unintentional as it might be on the part of the official) than you'd have to wonder! How can someone so heavily involved at club level in a competing county and working and living there be expected to be seen as impartial. For the next 3 weeks he will be in Dublin during the buildup and will face the consequences of his actions every day for months after in the capital. And you are telling me that, even at a subconscious level, that can't and won't have an impact?
In the run in to the 2015/16 Premiership title race a ref appointed to one of Leicester's games was stood down because he had, in a private capacity, attended one of their games as a spectator earlier on that season. That was the only link he had with the club and yet the Premier League felt the need to stand him down, he had absolutely no issues with it and neither had Leicester or any of the media. And yet in the GAA we have the above.
How far we have regressed in 90 years. In the early 1930s Cavan objected to playing Kerry because a Munster ref was appointed and the official was duly changed. That was a common enough back then and it was understood that ref's often needed to be changed depending on teams drawn to ensure impartiality.
Like I said, I'll say no more now on it as there's no point.
It's just another pothole placed in front of Kerry on the road to trying to stop an inevitable 5 in a Row." Could work in our favour in a perverse way - given the conflict of interest and noise its going to generate he's naturally going to be slow to give anything soft to the dubs.
In all likelihood if the dubs win at a canter as expected they'll be no talk about it after but if its tight the GAA really will have created a problem for the individual ref and the association.
blacknamber (Kerry) - Posts: 267 - 14/08/2019 13:06:24
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Replying To TheHermit: "I'm just going to say the below one last time and then leave it there because there's no point talking anymore now that the decision has been made. Kerry will just have to grin and bare it and move one.
However as a general principle:
How would Dublin react if the man in the middle was some fella from Cork or Limerick who lived in Tralee, was essentially a member of Strand Road having thought in the school connected and right next to that GAA club, had been previously photographed after an All-Ireland win with players of the team and the Cup and finally had been allegedly invited into Kerry training sessions that very summer to take charge of practice matches.
I mean if people can't see a conflict of interest there (unintentional as it might be on the part of the official) than you'd have to wonder! How can someone so heavily involved at club level in a competing county and working and living there be expected to be seen as impartial. For the next 3 weeks he will be in Dublin during the buildup and will face the consequences of his actions every day for months after in the capital. And you are telling me that, even at a subconscious level, that can't and won't have an impact?
In the run in to the 2015/16 Premiership title race a ref appointed to one of Leicester's games was stood down because he had, in a private capacity, attended one of their games as a spectator earlier on that season. That was the only link he had with the club and yet the Premier League felt the need to stand him down, he had absolutely no issues with it and neither had Leicester or any of the media. And yet in the GAA we have the above.
How far we have regressed in 90 years. In the early 1930s Cavan objected to playing Kerry because a Munster ref was appointed and the official was duly changed. That was a common enough back then and it was understood that ref's often needed to be changed depending on teams drawn to ensure impartiality.
Like I said, I'll say no more now on it as there's no point.
It's just another pothole placed in front of Kerry on the road to trying to stop an inevitable 5 in a Row." He's a fantastic ref but out of fairness he shouldn't be allowed to ref the game. Although Kerry will have to come up with a better excuse for not winning.
Not even a ball kicked yet and you are making excuses already.
It was due to deegan that you got to the final so let's not forget refs have benefited use in the past
kevin03 (Tyrone) - Posts: 276 - 14/08/2019 13:10:17
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Replying To Thelonesomegoose: "It's a poor decision, if it was a Cork man living in Kerry appointed there wouldn't be a hope of him getting the game. Kerry should lodge an objection." Living in Dublin is completely different to anywhere else In Ireland , it's funny that folks don't get this at all , listen to Joe Molloy on off the ball gaa podcast last night he'll put you all at ease.
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 14/08/2019 13:13:08
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Replying To TheHermit: "I'm just going to say the below one last time and then leave it there because there's no point talking anymore now that the decision has been made. Kerry will just have to grin and bare it and move one.
However as a general principle:
How would Dublin react if the man in the middle was some fella from Cork or Limerick who lived in Tralee, was essentially a member of Strand Road having thought in the school connected and right next to that GAA club, had been previously photographed after an All-Ireland win with players of the team and the Cup and finally had been allegedly invited into Kerry training sessions that very summer to take charge of practice matches.
I mean if people can't see a conflict of interest there (unintentional as it might be on the part of the official) than you'd have to wonder! How can someone so heavily involved at club level in a competing county and working and living there be expected to be seen as impartial. For the next 3 weeks he will be in Dublin during the buildup and will face the consequences of his actions every day for months after in the capital. And you are telling me that, even at a subconscious level, that can't and won't have an impact?
In the run in to the 2015/16 Premiership title race a ref appointed to one of Leicester's games was stood down because he had, in a private capacity, attended one of their games as a spectator earlier on that season. That was the only link he had with the club and yet the Premier League felt the need to stand him down, he had absolutely no issues with it and neither had Leicester or any of the media. And yet in the GAA we have the above.
How far we have regressed in 90 years. In the early 1930s Cavan objected to playing Kerry because a Munster ref was appointed and the official was duly changed. That was a common enough back then and it was understood that ref's often needed to be changed depending on teams drawn to ensure impartiality.
Like I said, I'll say no more now on it as there's no point.
It's just another pothole placed in front of Kerry on the road to trying to stop an inevitable 5 in a Row." There was opposition from Kerry this week to Gough.Kerry got their retaliation in first.Putting psychological pressure on Gough to bend over backwards to be fair to Kerry.No ref goes out to deliberately favour one team in my view but the standard of refereeing in gaa is not good and players and supporters get frustrated..Hope David Gough has a good Final.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2160 - 14/08/2019 13:15:04
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It's just another pothole placed in front of Kerry on the road to trying to stop an inevitable 5 in a Row.
There you have you're readymade excuse if you loose. Kerry have never accepted defeat from a Dublin team. Ref is a handy one. A favorite with kids. AOM on Twitter last week still bellyaching about McQuillan. He's selective memory. Beaten in '11 by a team that wanted it more. And since then yous haven't been good enough. Can only wonder what excuse you'll have Sept 2nd facing into another long Winter.
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Aido69 (Dublin) - Posts: 381 - 14/08/2019 13:15:13
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Replying To BoynesideBlue: "Announced this morning.
Well deserved." A proud day for your club I'm sure.
westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 14/08/2019 13:15:58
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Dublin will win this game in all likelihood regardless of the Ref but I hope he watches his 2016 performance and learns from it.
westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 14/08/2019 13:17:08
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Replying To westkerry: "Dublin will win this game in all likelihood regardless of the Ref but I hope he watches his 2016 performance and learns from it." Exactly, we don't want anyone getting away with late hits like O'Mahony for away with that day.....
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 14/08/2019 13:19:29
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Replying To TheHermit: "I'm just going to say the below one last time and then leave it there because there's no point talking anymore now that the decision has been made. Kerry will just have to grin and bare it and move one.
However as a general principle:
How would Dublin react if the man in the middle was some fella from Cork or Limerick who lived in Tralee, was essentially a member of Strand Road having thought in the school connected and right next to that GAA club, had been previously photographed after an All-Ireland win with players of the team and the Cup and finally had been allegedly invited into Kerry training sessions that very summer to take charge of practice matches.
I mean if people can't see a conflict of interest there (unintentional as it might be on the part of the official) than you'd have to wonder! How can someone so heavily involved at club level in a competing county and working and living there be expected to be seen as impartial. For the next 3 weeks he will be in Dublin during the buildup and will face the consequences of his actions every day for months after in the capital. And you are telling me that, even at a subconscious level, that can't and won't have an impact?
In the run in to the 2015/16 Premiership title race a ref appointed to one of Leicester's games was stood down because he had, in a private capacity, attended one of their games as a spectator earlier on that season. That was the only link he had with the club and yet the Premier League felt the need to stand him down, he had absolutely no issues with it and neither had Leicester or any of the media. And yet in the GAA we have the above.
How far we have regressed in 90 years. In the early 1930s Cavan objected to playing Kerry because a Munster ref was appointed and the official was duly changed. That was a common enough back then and it was understood that ref's often needed to be changed depending on teams drawn to ensure impartiality.
Like I said, I'll say no more now on it as there's no point.
It's just another pothole placed in front of Kerry on the road to trying to stop an inevitable 5 in a Row." Poor Kerry lads getting the excuses in early. They know they are on a hiding to nothing. Dublin by 10 points plus and thw whingers to be sent back to Healy Rae country with the tail between their legs.
summerof09 (Meath) - Posts: 315 - 14/08/2019 13:22:52
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Replying To MesAmis: "Exactly, we don't want anyone getting away with late hits like O'Mahony for away with that day....." This is the type of stuff I am talking about with Kerry. They only ever go on about refs decisions they think didnt go their way. That incident with O'Mahony could have easily been red from memory? They are not doing themselves any favours in the build up to this final so far. Peter Keane must be going mad.
lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 14/08/2019 13:24:17
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Find the whole thing a bit disturbing to be honest, i think its a poor reflection on people finding out where someone works, lives and then puts them under scrutiny in the national media, i mean this man has family and a right to privacy etc. How easy would it be for a disgruntled supporter to find out where he or his family lives given the public information thats been put out there and been whipped up by some in the media. beyond a game of football for me. Its just wrong. This is an ammeter guy after is all.
I will say this, though, Kerry have gathered a reputation for cynical stuff given their poor defense and their disciplinary record isnt one to be admired, i think if any county needs a strong ref and objective ref its Dublin.
Additionally the perceived pressure, many of the Kerry lads work, study and live in Dublin will they not be subject to the same pressure not to try their best in their chosen filed for fear of having to live in the county going forward, of course not.
The mans from Meath, not a county well know for their deep affection of the Dubs, i can imagine the reaction on here if a Kerry rival was adversary was given the job, it would be victim this victim that.
Anyway as per my first paragraph its a debate that doesn't deserve oxygen, i find the whole thing particularity sad and pitiful to be honest.
Some should be ashamed of themselves.
Best of luck on the big day Mr Gough, i genuinely hope you remain safe, both after the game from projectiles programmes given the protagonists and after.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 14/08/2019 13:27:14
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Replying To clondalkindub: "Living in Dublin is completely different to anywhere else In Ireland , it's funny that folks don't get this at all , listen to Joe Molloy on off the ball gaa podcast last night he'll put you all at ease." How is it different? Lots of people from one county live in a neighbouring one. You may be sure a Mayo ref living in Galway wouldn't get to ref a Galway in a final.
Thelonesomegoose (Leitrim) - Posts: 204 - 14/08/2019 13:29:24
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Wrong decision again, the GAA very consistent with those. Hurling ref. Owens is from the Kilkenny metro area and shops and socialises there surely and refused to use hawkeye in 2015 final, GAA don't care. Refs must be from neutral area, nothing against Gough he is a good ref. I agree with Eamon Fitz on this one. Obviously, Dublin are the better side, but that is not important.
suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1669 - 14/08/2019 13:37:07
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