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Replying To Jack_Goff: "Dublin cork and kerry in football. Dublin, cork, Tipp, wexford, galway, Limerick and kilkenny in hurling." You're really going out on a limb your hurling predictions there. ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 03/09/2019 18:39:12 2232511 Link
Replying To Greenfield: "That would have something to do with it. The 2018 v 2017 figures for Mayo would back that up. As far as I can find it was 1,542,647 spend in 2017, against 1,194,510 in 2018 when there was no All Ireland series involvement. However the Mayo 2018 spend was still way above others. For example, Cavan had a good league campaign in 2018 and exited the qualifiers at the same stage as Mayo, but their spend was only 688,140." We also had an u20 team in an all Ireland final last year. A minor team in a semi final this year. All these expenses, travel, accommodation, food, all adds up. There are plenty of wealthy Cavan men, even Leitrim have wealthy ex pats in the US with deep pockets and fans who could donate. Counties need to organize instead of just blaming the dubs all the time. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11227 - 03/09/2019 18:53:59 2232515 Link
Replying To yew_tree: "We also had an u20 team in an all Ireland final last year. A minor team in a semi final this year. All these expenses, travel, accommodation, food, all adds up. There are plenty of wealthy Cavan men, even Leitrim have wealthy ex pats in the US with deep pockets and fans who could donate. Counties need to organize instead of just blaming the dubs all the time." Some of the numbers I have heard just recently that two counties are paying is unreal. Both cash payment and other benefits. The source close to both should be reliable but I will not give out numbers that cannot be verified. I also heard from a different source that Waterford have no money to pay anyone. The sponsorship is not enough and the supporters club is stretched to the limit doing their best. The disparity from county to county is going to influence who is successful in the future. Fine if we are all right with that. However those who are so again professionalism need to take the blinkers off because it already exists for some. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 03/09/2019 22:38:13 2232584 Link
Replying To yew_tree: "We also had an u20 team in an all Ireland final last year. A minor team in a semi final this year. All these expenses, travel, accommodation, food, all adds up. There are plenty of wealthy Cavan men, even Leitrim have wealthy ex pats in the US with deep pockets and fans who could donate. Counties need to organize instead of just blaming the dubs all the time." not sure an u20 team last year could have made that much difference but we won't fall out over it. Think your point about the Cavan/Leitrim men is what I was trying to say originally. You can't tell what teams are going to be successful anymore just based on who's winning underage now. The financial element is now the key and maybe the most important person in a co board set up now would be a commercial manager or similar to organize the ex pats to pony up. We are where we are anyway, but I do find it sad that that's how it's gone. I thought we were better than that. Greenfield (Meath) - Posts: 522 - 04/09/2019 00:19:01 2232602 Link
Replying To Greenfield: "not sure an u20 team last year could have made that much difference but we won't fall out over it. Think your point about the Cavan/Leitrim men is what I was trying to say originally. You can't tell what teams are going to be successful anymore just based on who's winning underage now. The financial element is now the key and maybe the most important person in a co board set up now would be a commercial manager or similar to organize the ex pats to pony up. We are where we are anyway, but I do find it sad that that's how it's gone. I thought we were better than that." Your own county and Kildare should have no excuse. Both huge populations, facilities, near Dublin etc. big supporter bases. I'm not having a dog but ye should be doing much better than ye have been recently. When you compare what the likes of Monaghan and Roscommon have done on limited playing population and resources yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11227 - 04/09/2019 12:43:45 2232710 Link
Replying To Stmunnsriver: "kerry will get even better in the coming years, cork could be the team of the future, kildare have the players and now have the manager, westmeath and laois are also improving but the question is how much scope is there for either, galway should be doing better to, donegal will get better as will armagh, my super 8 next year, kerry,cork kildare dublin, donegal,armagh,galway and mayo [maybe "]Cant see Tyrone not making the super 8s lad Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11725 - 04/09/2019 16:03:59 2232791 Link
Replying To Canuck: "Some of the numbers I have heard just recently that two counties are paying is unreal. Both cash payment and other benefits. The source close to both should be reliable but I will not give out numbers that cannot be verified. I also heard from a different source that Waterford have no money to pay anyone. The sponsorship is not enough and the supporters club is stretched to the limit doing their best. The disparity from county to county is going to influence who is successful in the future. Fine if we are all right with that. However those who are so again professionalism need to take the blinkers off because it already exists for some." Waterford has always been one of the wealthiest cities in Ireland. Why is Waterford GAA struggling for funding? Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11725 - 04/09/2019 16:10:11 2232795 Link
Replying To Viking66: " Replying To Stmunnsriver: "kerry will get even better in the coming years, cork could be the team of the future, kildare have the players and now have the manager, westmeath and laois are also improving but the question is how much scope is there for either, galway should be doing better to, donegal will get better as will armagh, my super 8 next year, kerry,cork kildare dublin, donegal,armagh,galway and mayo [maybe " Cant see Tyrone not making the super 8s lad"]He wishes essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 04/09/2019 17:34:31 2232823 Link
Replying To yew_tree: "Your own county and Kildare should have no excuse. Both huge populations, facilities, near Dublin etc. big supporter bases. I'm not having a dog but ye should be doing much better than ye have been recently. When you compare what the likes of Monaghan and Roscommon have done on limited playing population and resources" Is this guy genuine or a WUM or are folks outside of Leinster really still this ignorant to what teams in Leinster face every year in the champ? Its hard to comprehend someone still thinking Leinster is not fixed massively in favour for one team to win. The mind boggles.. cuttothebone (Kildare) - Posts: 163 - 04/09/2019 17:53:03 2232829 Link
If Galway can find the right manager who understands the championship, I would posit that the Galway footballers are on the cusp of becoming top four contenders. festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3097 - 04/09/2019 18:47:23 2232843 Link
Replying To festinog: "If Galway can find the right manager who understands the championship, I would posit that the Galway footballers are on the cusp of becoming top four contenders." Would Stephen Rochford fit the bill? GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7335 - 04/09/2019 19:16:38 2232849 Link
Replying To yew_tree: "Your own county and Kildare should have no excuse. Both huge populations, facilities, near Dublin etc. big supporter bases. I'm not having a dog but ye should be doing much better than ye have been recently. When you compare what the likes of Monaghan and Roscommon have done on limited playing population and resources" I can't speak for Kildare but Meath should be doing better no doubt. Just on the population though, it's worth noting that both Meath and Kildare have huge populations of non natives (primarily Dubs) so the figure can be a little deceiving. But I'd put Meath's lack of success since 2001 down to these 4 main issues (largely caused by very poor decision making at County Board level). 1. Poor underage structures. We fell way behind the top teams in this regard, however things started to change 5-6 years ago and we're getting up to speed. 2. In 2003 we made a complete mess of our county championship, changing it from 4 groups of 4 (top 2 in each group quality for QFs), to 2 groups of 8 (top 4 teams in each group qualify for QFs). Sean Boylan was staunchly against the change as he argued you could now lose too many games and still win the Meath championship hence making players less competitive. It since changed to 3 groups of 6 but this has made little difference. Thankfully, starting in 2020 we're changing back to 4 groups of 4 (well fingers crossed, this is Meath afterall, so wait and see!). 3. Poor managerial decisions since Boylan left, notably, axing Eamon O'Brien after only 2 seasons when he'd brought us to an AI QF and SF, appointing Banty and leaving Mick O'Dowd incharge for 4 years even though we were going backwards. However I believe our current manager Andy McEntee is the best we've had since Boylan and he's signed up for another 3 years. 4. Just the way it goes. We produced 2 great generations of players back to back in the 80s and 90s, unfortunately your luck has to run out sometime. Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 04/09/2019 20:55:54 2232871 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Waterford has always been one of the wealthiest cities in Ireland. Why is Waterford GAA struggling for funding?" Viking66 I don't know the answer to that. Some big name companies are gone. Waterford Glass, Clover Meats, Waterford Iron Foundry. National Board & Paper MIlls, Cherries Brewery, etc. Some new company for sure but none like the numbers these places employed. Not taking a dig at anyone but a huge amount of earnings garnished in Waterford are spent across the bridge and help to support neighbouring counties. That is just the reality of where people live. Maybe the supporters are not engaged. However I know all my family contribute to the Deise draws etc. Also a small junior team village that I know most if not all contribute. The stubbornness of continuing with an East and West board probably does not help. You can see also the ambivalence of Government in approving the money for Walsh Part that is supposed to be underway since the Limerick game. No political clout. If this was any where else the politicians would be screaming indifference to their community. One thing I know for sure is Waterford will not be able to pay the type of money supposedly been given to managers, coaches, back room staff in some counties. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 04/09/2019 21:03:30 2232873 Link
Replying To GreenandRed: "Would Stephen Rochford fit the bill?" Definitely; but I don't think he'll walk from Donegal. festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3097 - 04/09/2019 21:17:48 2232878 Link
Replying To Htaem: "I can't speak for Kildare but Meath should be doing better no doubt. Just on the population though, it's worth noting that both Meath and Kildare have huge populations of non natives (primarily Dubs) so the figure can be a little deceiving. But I'd put Meath's lack of success since 2001 down to these 4 main issues (largely caused by very poor decision making at County Board level). 1. Poor underage structures. We fell way behind the top teams in this regard, however things started to change 5-6 years ago and we're getting up to speed. 2. In 2003 we made a complete mess of our county championship, changing it from 4 groups of 4 (top 2 in each group quality for QFs), to 2 groups of 8 (top 4 teams in each group qualify for QFs). Sean Boylan was staunchly against the change as he argued you could now lose too many games and still win the Meath championship hence making players less competitive. It since changed to 3 groups of 6 but this has made little difference. Thankfully, starting in 2020 we're changing back to 4 groups of 4 (well fingers crossed, this is Meath afterall, so wait and see!). 3. Poor managerial decisions since Boylan left, notably, axing Eamon O'Brien after only 2 seasons when he'd brought us to an AI QF and SF, appointing Banty and leaving Mick O'Dowd incharge for 4 years even though we were going backwards. However I believe our current manager Andy McEntee is the best we've had since Boylan and he's signed up for another 3 years. 4. Just the way it goes. We produced 2 great generations of players back to back in the 80s and 90s, unfortunately your luck has to run out sometime." Can't disagree with that. Better put than I would have put it. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 05/09/2019 08:35:37 2232924 Link
Galway seem to be doing a lot right in both codes at underage level but it is not always transferring to senior. Michael Donahue got a S&C guy in and and hit the country board to agree to put him over all ages from minor up. This is the first bit of long term thinking I've seen and hopefully will lead to a bit more integration of teams. I think we could be on the verge of challenging in big ball but our next appointment is crucial. Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1826 - 05/09/2019 23:06:53 2233182 Link
Replying To Htaem: "I can't speak for Kildare but Meath should be doing better no doubt. Just on the population though, it's worth noting that both Meath and Kildare have huge populations of non natives (primarily Dubs) so the figure can be a little deceiving. But I'd put Meath's lack of success since 2001 down to these 4 main issues (largely caused by very poor decision making at County Board level). 1. Poor underage structures. We fell way behind the top teams in this regard, however things started to change 5-6 years ago and we're getting up to speed. 2. In 2003 we made a complete mess of our county championship, changing it from 4 groups of 4 (top 2 in each group quality for QFs), to 2 groups of 8 (top 4 teams in each group qualify for QFs). Sean Boylan was staunchly against the change as he argued you could now lose too many games and still win the Meath championship hence making players less competitive. It since changed to 3 groups of 6 but this has made little difference. Thankfully, starting in 2020 we're changing back to 4 groups of 4 (well fingers crossed, this is Meath afterall, so wait and see!). 3. Poor managerial decisions since Boylan left, notably, axing Eamon O'Brien after only 2 seasons when he'd brought us to an AI QF and SF, appointing Banty and leaving Mick O'Dowd incharge for 4 years even though we were going backwards. However I believe our current manager Andy McEntee is the best we've had since Boylan and he's signed up for another 3 years. 4. Just the way it goes. We produced 2 great generations of players back to back in the 80s and 90s, unfortunately your luck has to run out sometime." Yea banty cleaned ye out alright. All that said about Meaths problems they still always look like they are capable of causing teams a headache, great fighting spirit in meath teams and you can't coach that, you have it or you don't. Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1898 - 06/09/2019 09:26:00 2233221 Link
Replying To cuttothebone: "Is this guy genuine or a WUM or are folks outside of Leinster really still this ignorant to what teams in Leinster face every year in the champ? Its hard to comprehend someone still thinking Leinster is not fixed massively in favour for one team to win. The mind boggles.." Not a WUM. Kildare are a big county. I view the GAO between say Mayo/Galway to Leitrim as bigger than Kildare or Meath to Dublin, on paper at least. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11227 - 06/09/2019 09:49:27 2233228 Link
Its a great old time, of players breaking thorough and emerging teams. Kerry will be confident, they have a few key players that are that bit older, but have the underage to be confident in replacing them. Time on their side with marquee players. Dublin i imagine will regress this winter or next, depending on the retirements, but a core of a good 5 or 6 warriors will go. We will go into a bit of transition, we have done that well in the past and hopefully can be competitive. An U20 finalist team i expect to get at least two off. Couple of minor payers this year will be stars as well. Dont think we will be the force on nature we have been though. Donegal, coming on every year and some of the best young players in the country for my money have been massively unlucky in the last two S8 campaigns. Cork, minor and U21 success this year after a terrific year atr senior bodes very well. Kildare, new management and many great players to kick on from their U20 success 12 months ago. Mayo had a horrible year with injuries but a big transition is going on their as well. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 06/09/2019 10:37:51 2233242 Link
Forgot to mention Galway, all the potential in the world under the right system their is an All Ireland in that team. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 06/09/2019 10:39:03 2233243 Link