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Ciaran Archer Is U20 Footballer Of The Year

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The Cork u20 manager won manager of the year and Archer got player of the year. I've seen quite a bit of Archer and he's going to be the next Clifford. Give him 2 years with the Dublin seniors and I think he'll surpass him.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 13/08/2019 17:00:39    2225187

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Hes doing well, not sure hes the next Clifford myself.

Think he has a fair chance of training with the seniors next year, but he has much still to develop, he has another year at U20 so id leave him there if im being honest.

POCB a different story, hopefully we see his breakthrough come January.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4443 - 13/08/2019 17:22:23    2225193

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "link

The Cork u20 manager won manager of the year and Archer got player of the year. I've seen quite a bit of Archer and he's going to be the next Clifford. Give him 2 years with the Dublin seniors and I think he'll surpass him."
here we go now...more grist to the mill.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 13/08/2019 17:23:42    2225194

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Only 18 is that correct? i seen him play in the All Ireland minor semi final two years ago so was only 16 then if true?

ispeakwisdom (Roscommon) - Posts: 2487 - 13/08/2019 17:30:03    2225198

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Hes doing well, not sure hes the next Clifford myself.

Think he has a fair chance of training with the seniors next year, but he has much still to develop, he has another year at U20 so id leave him there if im being honest.

POCB a different story, hopefully we see his breakthrough come January."
Same sense of awe surrounded Conor McHugh a few years ago but he hasn't managed to break in. I was speaking to a Maurs man on Sat after the game and he told me that Archer is obsessed with his free taking spending countless hours practicing outside of training sessions. A borderline Stephen Cluxton work rate and search for ball striking perfection. You can really see it bearing fruit. Very good soccer player as well. One to watch out for no doubt.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 13/08/2019 17:36:50    2225205

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Replying To Joxer:  "Same sense of awe surrounded Conor McHugh a few years ago but he hasn't managed to break in. I was speaking to a Maurs man on Sat after the game and he told me that Archer is obsessed with his free taking spending countless hours practicing outside of training sessions. A borderline Stephen Cluxton work rate and search for ball striking perfection. You can really see it bearing fruit. Very good soccer player as well. One to watch out for no doubt."
Always thought McHugh, would struggle a bit at senior, even when he was cracking in a lot of scores he was missing a lot as well and that underage team was a phenomenal team, Mannion, Byrne, Jack, Small, Scully, Costello, Fenton they created so much. You would have picked McHugh out though, to be fair on his scoring numbers, to maybe make more of an impact then he has. Think the ship may have sailed for him.

Ciaran is just gone 18, hes in a great spot, i heard he was class at soccer as well and maybe even went across the water to give it a whirl professionally. That is interesting about his work rate. He took of some wonderful frees for the U20's this year, ridiculous ones on any side, any distance, any foot.

But at 18 hes in the right spot at U20 and he clearly has a lot still to develop before he looks a Dublin Senior footballer in my opinion, he has an outstanding chance and i wouldn't be surprised to see him training with the seniors next year but play U20.

I was going to say i think it will be the POCB break out year next year, it probably will be but he made his championship debut already in the dead rubber up in Omagh. Im really excited about him.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4443 - 13/08/2019 17:56:11    2225217

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Who was on the running for this? And who decided archer was the player of the year?

Dublin beat Westmeath Laois and Galway, Cork beat Kerry Tyrone and Dublin, was there any Cork players nominated?

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 13/08/2019 17:58:02    2225219

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Hes doing well, not sure hes the next Clifford myself.

Think he has a fair chance of training with the seniors next year, but he has much still to develop, he has another year at U20 so id leave him there if im being honest.

POCB a different story, hopefully we see his breakthrough come January."
Who's POCB? What position does he play?

I didnt realise Archer had another year left. Scary to think how good he'll be next year.

Interesting piece from Joxer, he'll need to do a hell of a lot of practicing to take free taking duties odd Dean Rock. Maybe if he offers more from play he'll get his place.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 13/08/2019 18:10:33    2225224

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "link

The Cork u20 manager won manager of the year and Archer got player of the year. I've seen quite a bit of Archer and he's going to be the next Clifford. Give him 2 years with the Dublin seniors and I think he'll surpass him."
Ah come off it he'll be nowhere near Clifford's level. I think he's overrated myself, and no it's not just because he's from Dublin. He probably deserved the player of the year award alright though. Cork's Mark Cronin was probably his nearest challenger.

Kerry15 (Kerry) - Posts: 957 - 13/08/2019 18:53:04    2225238

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "Who's POCB? What position does he play?

I didnt realise Archer had another year left. Scary to think how good he'll be next year.

Interesting piece from Joxer, he'll need to do a hell of a lot of practicing to take free taking duties odd Dean Rock. Maybe if he offers more from play he'll get his place."
POCB is a midfielder, 6'7" and has shown real potential. He came on up in Omagh, got a black card against Cork and was overrun by pace in that game I thought. Archer won't displace Rock anytime soon. He needs to work hard in the gym also, like Con has, to bulk up. Interesting comment from Sean C on the SG about Fenton running miles on the thread-mill in Dubai and the fitness work ethic that has been instilled in some of these players.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 13/08/2019 18:59:13    2225241

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Replying To Kerry15:  "
Replying To Jack_Goff:  "link

The Cork u20 manager won manager of the year and Archer got player of the year. I've seen quite a bit of Archer and he's going to be the next Clifford. Give him 2 years with the Dublin seniors and I think he'll surpass him."
Ah come off it he'll be nowhere near Clifford's level. I think he's overrated myself, and no it's not just because he's from Dublin. He probably deserved the player of the year award alright though. Cork's Mark Cronin was probably his nearest challenger."
An over rated player of year :) and nor just that dismissing his potential of all things ........do u have lotto numbers by any chance??

Hitnhurl (Cork) - Posts: 92 - 13/08/2019 19:15:48    2225249

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Well done to young Archer

He was very good but no doubt Cork were unlucky not to have a player get the nod but maybe it was hard to look past Archer's individual tally which was remarkable in fairness to him

... or perhaps Horan had a word

That's probably it.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20598 - 13/08/2019 19:31:12    2225251

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Who was on the running for this? And who decided archer was the player of the year?

Dublin beat Westmeath Laois and Galway, Cork beat Kerry Tyrone and Dublin, was there any Cork players nominated?"
No it's in the rules that it has to go to a Dub.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13703 - 13/08/2019 19:54:07    2225255

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He deserved it to be fair. We didn't have one 'outstanding' candidate but had a great team. Same with minors. Be very happy if we have two All Irelands and no player of year awards

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 13/08/2019 23:30:53    2225351

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Replying To Joxer:  "POCB is a midfielder, 6'7" and has shown real potential. He came on up in Omagh, got a black card against Cork and was overrun by pace in that game I thought. Archer won't displace Rock anytime soon. He needs to work hard in the gym also, like Con has, to bulk up. Interesting comment from Sean C on the SG about Fenton running miles on the thread-mill in Dubai and the fitness work ethic that has been instilled in some of these players."
I still don't know who POCB is! What's his name. Considering Archer has another year at u20 Gavin is probably not too bother about fast tracking him. I assume he'll train with the seniors and play mostly with the u20. That will bring him up to scratch and he'll hit the ground running in 2021.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 14/08/2019 01:17:55    2225369

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "I still don't know who POCB is! What's his name. Considering Archer has another year at u20 Gavin is probably not too bother about fast tracking him. I assume he'll train with the seniors and play mostly with the u20. That will bring him up to scratch and he'll hit the ground running in 2021."
His name is Peadar Ó Cofaigh Byrne. Plays for Cuala and UCD at college level. Used to be a corner back, has sprung up and now plays midfield for U20s. Has made the senior panel once or twice this year, got a few mins in Omagh. Was named on the 2017 minor team of the year. Decent prospect.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 14/08/2019 09:40:46    2225415

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Archer reminds me of Ray Cosgrave in 2002. Don't think he'll be consistent. No COC.

IfPOCB makes it that will bring his mam back into the limelight.. heaven forbid.

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 14/08/2019 15:23:33    2225645

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Replying To Hitnhurl:  "
Replying To Kerry15:  "[quote=Jack_Goff:  "link

The Cork u20 manager won manager of the year and Archer got player of the year. I've seen quite a bit of Archer and he's going to be the next Clifford. Give him 2 years with the Dublin seniors and I think he'll surpass him."
Ah come off it he'll be nowhere near Clifford's level. I think he's overrated myself, and no it's not just because he's from Dublin. He probably deserved the player of the year award alright though. Cork's Mark Cronin was probably his nearest challenger."
An over rated player of year :) and nor just that dismissing his potential of all things ........do u have lotto numbers by any chance??"]Numbers are 2, 27, 3, 18
See if you get that one ;)

dakid (Australia) - Posts: 284 - 14/08/2019 16:29:38    2225690

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Replying To Joxer:  "POCB is a midfielder, 6'7" and has shown real potential. He came on up in Omagh, got a black card against Cork and was overrun by pace in that game I thought. Archer won't displace Rock anytime soon. He needs to work hard in the gym also, like Con has, to bulk up. Interesting comment from Sean C on the SG about Fenton running miles on the thread-mill in Dubai and the fitness work ethic that has been instilled in some of these players."
It was mentioned on the panel show that evening that his black card was harsh. Only saw it the once, but didn't he trip an opponent clear as day?

m_the_d (None) - Posts: 1099 - 14/08/2019 21:36:22    2225821

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Replying To m_the_d:  "It was mentioned on the panel show that evening that his black card was harsh. Only saw it the once, but didn't he trip an opponent clear as day?"
Whelan blamed the ref saying it was very harsh. Looked a clear black I thought. Dublin lad fell and as the Cork lad ran past he was hand tripped. None of the other panelists commented on it and they didn't show it back which was kind of odd. Usually if they are complaining about an incident they highlight the incident in question.

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 14/08/2019 23:05:49    2225861

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