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Replying To browncows: "I thought the better team won, but the Ref watched Harte being fouled throughout the game and ignored it. The Ref has always been poor (like a few more)" It was comical at times alright. There was one particular incident just before half time when Harte was trying to run by O'Sullivan and was being held back and both players were no more than 2 yards away from Deegan and he just looked at them and turned away. O'Sullivan must of thought he could get away with anything at that stage. Mobot (Donegal) - Posts: 459 - 12/08/2019 12:15:37 2224573 Link
I thought Kerry decided to 'start diving' for frees after the HT break, and it worked, Deegan gave them 2or3 'handy' ones just after HT, which got the scoreboard moving for Kerry at a better rate than it had all day up to that point. The next interesting development in the game imo was a Tyrone meltdown about 15mins into this period, when McShane missed horribly on a free, Donnelly & McShane missed routine efforts in open play, McShane missed another opportunity when deciding to set up an impossible goal chance for Harte, instead of trying to fist the only score available, and the meltdown was capped off with the costly turnover possession that O'Brien goaled spectacularly off. In that spell, Tyrone lost their grip on the game, and were never going to chase it down from 4 points back. It has to be a satisfying win for Kerry, with many young players on board, and after looking second best for the first 35mins. Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3421 - 12/08/2019 12:28:34 2224582 Link
Replying To Green_Gold: "This is very harsh, average players? Cathal McShane, Mattie Donnelly, Peter Harte, Colm Cavanagh, Naill Sludden & Ronan McNamee are really top players. Granted they could do with another couple of corner forwards but they are far from an average bunch of players. Mickey does have to shoulder some blame as well, for example Lee Brennan leaving the squad, again hardly an average player, has the making of a top class forward if faith was shown in him. I am not saying they have the same calibre of player as Dublin but sure who has." They're good intercounty footballers but do Tyrone have many players who would get into Mayo, Kerry, Dublin or even Donegal's starting 15? As I say Tyrone have good players but don't have very many players in the top bracket of inter county players. They benefit from being in a county with huge resources compared to about 27 others, the best training centre and a top class manager. Take these three benefits out and Tyrone would currently be a Div 2 team. If MH moves on we'll see just how good he was very quickly. sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 12/08/2019 12:36:04 2224588 Link
Messages slating Kerry against Tyrone for being too cynical are unbelievable. You play whatever way is needed to get the win, if the referee isn't punishing you then it's not their fault. I'd be telling them to push it to the limit which is what they done and I'm sure there'll be no regrets getting to the AI final. Stephen O'Brien was dead to take that black card at a crucial time liampatrick (Sligo) - Posts: 1 - 12/08/2019 14:50:26 2224676 Link
Well done to Kerry but the same old argument of ref decisions keep coming up and until the GAA punish refs for wrongful decisions this will always continue, yesterday Tyrone no 4 nearly took the head off the Kerry goalie with a high tackle, the ref indicated high tackle and produced a yellow card, a high tackle is a dangerous tackle and is a straight red card, yet again referees take the easy option and flash a yellow instead of a red card riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 12/08/2019 15:16:15 2224693 Link
Replying To Mobot: "It was comical at times alright. There was one particular incident just before half time when Harte was trying to run by O'Sullivan and was being held back and both players were no more than 2 yards away from Deegan and he just looked at them and turned away. O'Sullivan must of thought he could get away with anything at that stage." Anything that went on yesterday wasn't nearly as bad as the constant fouling of Seanie Shea when we played Donegal - that was so bad it was even highlighted on the TV that night. Teams learn quickly - if other teams are getting an advantage by pulling and dragging and getting away with it then all teams will be at it before long - even Kerry! If it was the other way round ye'd probably be commending the Donegal defender who spent all day hanging out of Shea - hypocrisy no? blacknamber (Kerry) - Posts: 267 - 12/08/2019 16:00:43 2224727 Link
Replying To riverboys: "Well done to Kerry but the same old argument of ref decisions keep coming up and until the GAA punish refs for wrongful decisions this will always continue, yesterday Tyrone no 4 nearly took the head off the Kerry goalie with a high tackle, the ref indicated high tackle and produced a yellow card, a high tackle is a dangerous tackle and is a straight red card, yet again referees take the easy option and flash a yellow instead of a red card" A high tackle all year has consistently been a yellow. To call for anything more is silly. kevin03 (Tyrone) - Posts: 276 - 12/08/2019 16:23:45 2224740 Link
Replying To riverboys: "Well done to Kerry but the same old argument of ref decisions keep coming up and until the GAA punish refs for wrongful decisions this will always continue, yesterday Tyrone no 4 nearly took the head off the Kerry goalie with a high tackle, the ref indicated high tackle and produced a yellow card, a high tackle is a dangerous tackle and is a straight red card, yet again referees take the easy option and flash a yellow instead of a red card" Ref didn't have anywhere near the impact some are making out. I think some of the complaints are being framed by Dessie Dolan labelling every single Kerry free as 'soft' on the telly, even ones that were blatant fouls. The guy was a lovely player but he is a hopeless analyst / commentator. There were certainly a couple of questionable decisions that went Kerry's way in the second half, equally Tyrone got two advantages played that led to scores, one where the five seconds had elapsed and McShane missed yet it was called back, and a second that was let go when the Tyrone player had fouled the ball. Deegan had even blown the whistle but he then let the score stand. Never mind the reckless foul on Ryan that probably should have been a straight red. It was far from a perfect performance but some of the howling on here and asking for enquires in to the refereeing is OTT. We have all seen far worse. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 12/08/2019 16:43:50 2224753 Link
Replying To blacknamber: "Anything that went on yesterday wasn't nearly as bad as the constant fouling of Seanie Shea when we played Donegal - that was so bad it was even highlighted on the TV that night. Teams learn quickly - if other teams are getting an advantage by pulling and dragging and getting away with it then all teams will be at it before long - even Kerry! If it was the other way round ye'd probably be commending the Donegal defender who spent all day hanging out of Shea - hypocrisy no?" You may of missed my earlier post where I mentioned the treatment O'Shea got v Donegal. I mentioned how the sunday game felt the need to highlight it (which I had no issue in them doing) but they didn't balance it up by showing the treatment Murphy and Brennan got off the ball in the same game. There was 2 kerry men on the sunday game panel so not hard to see there was an agenda. If teams can get away with it then they should try as much as they can to reduce the impact of key players in the opposition's team. Kerry done that yesterday and despite what you think it was every bit as bad as what Donegal were doing to your golden boy O'Shea a few weeks ago. I would give Tom O'Sullivan a lot of credit for his displays yesterday and v Donegal a few weeks ago but the media narrative (mainly Kerry pundits) and that of Kerry supporters is very different when a defender on the opposition applies the same dark arts off the ball. So who are the hypocrites? Mobot (Donegal) - Posts: 459 - 12/08/2019 17:24:29 2224774 Link
Replying To GeniusGerry: "Ref didn't have anywhere near the impact some are making out. I think some of the complaints are being framed by Dessie Dolan labelling every single Kerry free as 'soft' on the telly, even ones that were blatant fouls. The guy was a lovely player but he is a hopeless analyst / commentator. There were certainly a couple of questionable decisions that went Kerry's way in the second half, equally Tyrone got two advantages played that led to scores, one where the five seconds had elapsed and McShane missed yet it was called back, and a second that was let go when the Tyrone player had fouled the ball. Deegan had even blown the whistle but he then let the score stand. Never mind the reckless foul on Ryan that probably should have been a straight red. It was far from a perfect performance but some of the howling on here and asking for enquires in to the refereeing is OTT. We have all seen far worse." Ah come on now. Kerry got anything that was going and Deegan was poor in general but most of the soft frees went to Kerry and no mistake about it. It's just not good enough at this stage of the proceedings. Kerry would probably still have won but you can't be doing that aul stuff in fairness. catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 12/08/2019 17:31:58 2224781 Link
Replying To GeniusGerry: "Ref didn't have anywhere near the impact some are making out. I think some of the complaints are being framed by Dessie Dolan labelling every single Kerry free as 'soft' on the telly, even ones that were blatant fouls. The guy was a lovely player but he is a hopeless analyst / commentator. There were certainly a couple of questionable decisions that went Kerry's way in the second half, equally Tyrone got two advantages played that led to scores, one where the five seconds had elapsed and McShane missed yet it was called back, and a second that was let go when the Tyrone player had fouled the ball. Deegan had even blown the whistle but he then let the score stand. Never mind the reckless foul on Ryan that probably should have been a straight red. It was far from a perfect performance but some of the howling on here and asking for enquires in to the refereeing is OTT. We have all seen far worse." We have all seen far worse. Yep, 2011, 2015 and 2016 spring to mind ;D TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 12/08/2019 17:37:27 2224784 Link
If anyone in the country outside of Dublin had any doubts left about special treatment for Dublin from the GAA then it was quashed on Saturday. First we had Dublin Joe then Dublin John and now Dublin Michael D. Its a slap in the face to all the other counties. I hope it comes back to haunt them. But of course not a word said on any TV programme. Has there ever before been a red carpet and a Presidential meet and greet for the teams at a semi final? Apparently Michael D told CP he was turning up and they then felt obliged to do the full formalities. But why? It was almost sending out the message that this was the real final. Stinks from high heavens alright. Dubs still in their own private dressingroom, still warming up under the hill, still being the aggressors in the handshake and still marching stand-side in the parade. Maybe it was an illusion but was the parade in the second semi final a shorter circuit also? Read more: http://kerrygaa.proboards.com/thread/7071/kerry-dublin-ireland-final-2019?page=2#ixzz5wOxzk5Ml The above from the Kerry GAA blog! Tin foil hat stuff lads! Who is Dublin John though? lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 12/08/2019 17:42:14 2224788 Link
Replying To catch22: "Ah come on now. Kerry got anything that was going and Deegan was poor in general but most of the soft frees went to Kerry and no mistake about it. It's just not good enough at this stage of the proceedings. Kerry would probably still have won but you can't be doing that aul stuff in fairness." I have pointed to three incidents above where Tyrone got significant breaks as well so no I won't come on. I don't think the performance was any worse than what we normally see in inter county football which must be one of the hardest games on the planet to officiate. Folks going on about O'Sullivan and Harte conveniently didn't see David Moran getting pulled and dragged all over the place all day long it seems. Happens in every single game at this level regardless of who is playing. Yes it should be stamped out but while it isn't you can't blame teams for taking any advantage they can get. Wait until the final and you'll see Dublin at it too. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 12/08/2019 17:52:44 2224798 Link
Replying To lilylanger: "If anyone in the country outside of Dublin had any doubts left about special treatment for Dublin from the GAA then it was quashed on Saturday. First we had Dublin Joe then Dublin John and now Dublin Michael D. Its a slap in the face to all the other counties. I hope it comes back to haunt them. But of course not a word said on any TV programme. Has there ever before been a red carpet and a Presidential meet and greet for the teams at a semi final? Apparently Michael D told CP he was turning up and they then felt obliged to do the full formalities. But why? It was almost sending out the message that this was the real final. Stinks from high heavens alright. Dubs still in their own private dressingroom, still warming up under the hill, still being the aggressors in the handshake and still marching stand-side in the parade. Maybe it was an illusion but was the parade in the second semi final a shorter circuit also? Read more: http://kerrygaa.proboards.com/thread/7071/kerry-dublin-ireland-final-2019?page=2#ixzz5wOxzk5Ml The above from the Kerry GAA blog! Tin foil hat stuff lads! Who is Dublin John though?" Your fascinated by Kerry, I think you might have to be sent to Looney Bin if we manage the impossible in 3 weeks ;D TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 12/08/2019 18:37:42 2224825 Link
Replying To lilylanger: "If anyone in the country outside of Dublin had any doubts left about special treatment for Dublin from the GAA then it was quashed on Saturday. First we had Dublin Joe then Dublin John and now Dublin Michael D. Its a slap in the face to all the other counties. I hope it comes back to haunt them. But of course not a word said on any TV programme. Has there ever before been a red carpet and a Presidential meet and greet for the teams at a semi final? Apparently Michael D told CP he was turning up and they then felt obliged to do the full formalities. But why? It was almost sending out the message that this was the real final. Stinks from high heavens alright. Dubs still in their own private dressingroom, still warming up under the hill, still being the aggressors in the handshake and still marching stand-side in the parade. Maybe it was an illusion but was the parade in the second semi final a shorter circuit also? Read more: http://kerrygaa.proboards.com/thread/7071/kerry-dublin-ireland-final-2019?page=2#ixzz5wOxzk5Ml The above from the Kerry GAA blog! Tin foil hat stuff lads! Who is Dublin John though?" Lily if you went out and tried to train an underage football team instead of stalking Kerry forums then Kildare football might not be any better but at least you'd be getting out of the house. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 12/08/2019 18:43:38 2224832 Link
Replying To GeniusGerry: "I have pointed to three incidents above where Tyrone got significant breaks as well so no I won't come on. I don't think the performance was any worse than what we normally see in inter county football which must be one of the hardest games on the planet to officiate. Folks going on about O'Sullivan and Harte conveniently didn't see David Moran getting pulled and dragged all over the place all day long it seems. Happens in every single game at this level regardless of who is playing. Yes it should be stamped out but while it isn't you can't blame teams for taking any advantage they can get. Wait until the final and you'll see Dublin at it too." I won't be going up near the final thank you. What makes it worse is a lot of ye are the first to point this sort of stuff out when ye get bet but it is alright when ye won. It's double standards is all it is and nothing else. Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 12/08/2019 19:18:21 2224845 Link
Replying To GeniusGerry: "I have pointed to three incidents above where Tyrone got significant breaks as well so no I won't come on. I don't think the performance was any worse than what we normally see in inter county football which must be one of the hardest games on the planet to officiate. Folks going on about O'Sullivan and Harte conveniently didn't see David Moran getting pulled and dragged all over the place all day long it seems. Happens in every single game at this level regardless of who is playing. Yes it should be stamped out but while it isn't you can't blame teams for taking any advantage they can get. Wait until the final and you'll see Dublin at it too." Of course it should be stamped out but it's all a matter and two wrongs don't make a right. Whataboutery is the go to for any fella that wants to avoid the bald headed facts and Kerry are up there when it comes to the blocking and dragging so let's not be codding anyone. catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 12/08/2019 20:23:22 2224880 Link
Replying To Dubh_linn: "I won't be going up near the final thank you. What makes it worse is a lot of ye are the first to point this sort of stuff out when ye get bet but it is alright when ye won. It's double standards is all it is and nothing else." I'm not the first to point anything out. I was responding to several pages of howling and whingeing about the ref, who wasn't great but wasn't terrible either. Most of it coming from posters of non competing counties it should be said, including your own. No idea what your first sentence is about? GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 12/08/2019 20:52:20 2224891 Link
Replying To Dubh_linn: "I won't be going up near the final thank you. What makes it worse is a lot of ye are the first to point this sort of stuff out when ye get bet but it is alright when ye won. It's double standards is all it is and nothing else." Given the post you made last week about Phillys incident in 2015 final I wouldn't pay any heed to you. westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 12/08/2019 21:18:38 2224906 Link
Replying To lilylanger: "If anyone in the country outside of Dublin had any doubts left about special treatment for Dublin from the GAA then it was quashed on Saturday. First we had Dublin Joe then Dublin John and now Dublin Michael D. Its a slap in the face to all the other counties. I hope it comes back to haunt them. But of course not a word said on any TV programme. Has there ever before been a red carpet and a Presidential meet and greet for the teams at a semi final? Apparently Michael D told CP he was turning up and they then felt obliged to do the full formalities. But why? It was almost sending out the message that this was the real final. Stinks from high heavens alright. Dubs still in their own private dressingroom, still warming up under the hill, still being the aggressors in the handshake and still marching stand-side in the parade. Maybe it was an illusion but was the parade in the second semi final a shorter circuit also? Read more: http://kerrygaa.proboards.com/thread/7071/kerry-dublin-ireland-final-2019?page=2#ixzz5wOxzk5Ml The above from the Kerry GAA blog! Tin foil hat stuff lads! Who is Dublin John though?" You were put in your place last week and went very quiet. westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 12/08/2019 21:20:07 2224908 Link