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Kilkenny and Tipp Give Us A Traditional All Ireland Hurling Final

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Commiserations to KK fans today; very tough day at both levels.

festinog (Galway) - Posts: 2748 - 18/08/2019 17:34:44    2227115

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Pitiful, to hear King Henry. Trying to put a spin on the sending-off. If your are a panelist, you have to take of your black and amber glasses
Harryo
Galway fan

HarryO (Galway) - Posts: 187 - 18/08/2019 17:44:09    2227121

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Tipperary always have class hurlers. Unfortunately they let themselves down in the interviews with their foul language. 2 separate channels and 2 separate foul language incidents.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1166 - 18/08/2019 17:46:19    2227124

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Replying To HarryO:  "Pitiful, to hear King Henry. Trying to put a spin on the sending-off. If your are a panelist, you have to take of your black and amber glasses
Harryo
Galway fan"
Yea I thought it was pitiful, why they don't they just have neutral panellists for the final.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 754 - 18/08/2019 17:49:10    2227127

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Replying To moc.dna:  "His shoulder makes contact not his elbow, terrible decision. Frustrating for Kilkenny as Barrett's Ronaldo dive to the ground was an embarrassment, added to the fact that Barrett burst Hogan's nose & no card. Terrible disappointing final ruined by a very harsh sending off."
He must have the longest shoulder in human history!

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 815 - 18/08/2019 17:50:26    2227129

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Replying To festinog:  "Congrats Tipp; ye can only play what's put on front of ye and ye did it in style.

Poor final. Having already been beaten twice this year, KK had no business being on that field today, and despite being the beaten finalists I don't think anyone could make a serious argument that they're the second best team in the country. Arguably, they're not even the second team in Leinster. Very poor final from a neutral perspective, but I don't think the Tipp fans will care!"
agree and the minor was the same, KK beaten 3 times and Galway never got out of 2nd gear, put Galway into Leinster to save the minor game, otherwise Leinster is in trouble.

maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 963 - 18/08/2019 17:50:37    2227130

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Replying To Canuck:  "Please stop talking about the ref. He made the least number of errors on the field. However Duignan needs to be taken off our air ways. He believes the rules should only be applied on dry days. Shameful analysis to make of a referees decision."
Couldn't agree more. Same on the radio with the post-game commentary. Completely focused on the sending-off, and no discussion of the game itself, or mention of the fact that Tipp had already taken control of the game before the sending off.

Then again, it has to be said that there's not much else to say about this final. Scoreline might have been tighter, but the victor was never in doubt. I don't see an AI vicotry in this KK team.

festinog (Galway) - Posts: 2748 - 18/08/2019 17:51:37    2227132

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Never a Red Card because...
1. It was the fault of the conditions.
2. King Henry has declared that it was ONLY dangerous and therefore a yellow was due.

where would we be without our knowledgable commentators?

BlueBeret (Dublin) - Posts: 16 - 18/08/2019 17:55:38    2227134

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Tipperary always have class hurlers. Unfortunately they let themselves down in the interviews with their foul language. 2 separate channels and 2 separate foul language incidents."
Stick a mic in the face of someone who has the adrenaline pumping and just won the AI, and that's what's going to happen, especially in a country where expletives are part of the common lexicon. Not the first time this has happened (step forward Johnny Glynn!) and won't be the last. I say that as someone living in the US and can go a whole week without hearing a single person ever swear; it's unnatural I tell ya.

festinog (Galway) - Posts: 2748 - 18/08/2019 17:55:56    2227135

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Replying To tearintom:  "He must have the longest shoulder in human history!"
Yeah Neutral panelists, Neutral Ref's all for it, but worth remember Bulls1t knows no boundaries

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4183 - 18/08/2019 18:15:47    2227144

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Replying To festinog:  "Couldn't agree more. Same on the radio with the post-game commentary. Completely focused on the sending-off, and no discussion of the game itself, or mention of the fact that Tipp had already taken control of the game before the sending off.

Then again, it has to be said that there's not much else to say about this final. Scoreline might have been tighter, but the victor was never in doubt. I don't see an AI vicotry in this KK team."
Lets be honest about it. Bad final and heading that way before the sending off. It looked like a puck around in the second half and that does not happen usually, inspite of a numerical disadvantage.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 637 - 18/08/2019 18:17:13    2227146

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Tipperary always have class hurlers. Unfortunately they let themselves down in the interviews with their foul language. 2 separate channels and 2 separate foul language incidents."
To be fair to Callanan it was a total slip of the tongue, you could see by his reaction. Couldn't fault a Lad for that.
Compare that to a colleague of his a few years ago who fully intended to swear on air.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 754 - 18/08/2019 18:30:57    2227154

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Replying To HarryO:  "Pitiful, to hear King Henry. Trying to put a spin on the sending-off. If your are a panelist, you have to take of your black and amber glasses
Harryo
Galway fan"
I would have a lot of respect for Henry but he did suggest that the decision should have been made not to send Richie off in the interest of having a better game. Is that how we want refs to operate ? You can take someone's head off knowing the ref will take no action (or just give yellow) so it will be a good game ? This nonsense from analysts and commentators needs to stop. All the players on the field decided today's winner. Especially Richie Hogan, Noel O' Dwyer, Ronan Maher and Sheamus Callanan. Not James Owen. Feel bad for Richie but a spit second bad decision and this is the result.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 637 - 18/08/2019 18:31:51    2227156

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Clonmel is not a hurling stronghold in Tipp but I thought Seamus Kennedy of St. Mary's Clonmel was absolutely outstanding for Tipperary today.Kilkenny were the better team for the first 20 minutes but didn't score enough.Always felt after the Niall O'Meara goal that Tipp were going to win sending off or not.The Tipp full forward line is total class.It'll be interesting to see if Tipp can retain their title next year,something they haven't done since way back in 1965.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 1149 - 18/08/2019 18:38:54    2227158

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It was a red card. 100% correct decision, the ref handled it very well, he went to his linesman to discuss it, took their time and got the right decision. Well done all.

Instead of being praised for some excellent officiating he's being castigated.

Who'd be a referee?

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 12723 - 18/08/2019 18:51:37    2227164

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Tipp ran away with it in 2nd half, I felt KK just couldnt bring the intesity like they did for semi final, I felt that had more to do with Tipps tactics more than then sending off. Before tipp got their 1st goal, it was looking like KK might pull it off. They couldnt make the ball stick in the forwards in the 2nd half and their tactic of lumping high ball in to the forwards played into tipps hands. Tipp did a great job of nullyfying tj too.
I felt sending off was the right call, why would would you stick an elbow out when going to shoulder a guy, its because he knew barret had side stepped him and hogan wanted to make sure he wouldnt deliver a quality ball, so good call by owens and his performance in general was good. Hogan was doing well too before this, its a shame his day ended like that.
Callinan probably hoty. His pass to bubbles i think it was for tipps goal was excellant, only hurlers like callinan, tj, canning, etc would see this and execute it.
Anyways well done to tipp, well deserved win, hard luck to kk.
Lastly well done to Galway minors, great achievement to do 3 in a row, it was a great performance and a fully deserved win.

fireinthebelly (Galway) - Posts: 89 - 18/08/2019 18:59:02    2227168

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Tipperary always have class hurlers. Unfortunately they let themselves down in the interviews with their foul language. 2 separate channels and 2 separate foul language incidents."
I tend not to trust people who don't use 'foul' language, the holier than thou crew are usually more false.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8275 - 18/08/2019 19:09:33    2227171

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Well done Tipp great win pity about the red card but the ref had no choice , I don't think Richie ment to do him but it was high into the helmet. I thought the ref had a great game in very difficult conditions all Tipp's players played well but my motm was Heffernan at full back outstanding.


Hopefully the Dublin massive back room team slagging is put to bed after Seamie spent ten minutes thanking a million people on the back room team today , every big county has the same amount of back room team.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 18/08/2019 19:26:41    2227176

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Poor final but Tipp won't care about that and rightly so.
Sending off was 100% correct.
Tipp would have won anyway.
Henry what were you thinking?

Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 18/08/2019 19:26:56    2227177

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "Exactly, Hogan barely caught his visor. The reason he got a red was because of the simulation from Barrett. It;s hard to blame the ref, he doesn't get to see any replays. If he had, it would have been a yellow at the most for Hogan, and a yellow for Barrett for simulation But as in professional soccer, refs tend to judge a foul more by the reactions then the actual foul. That's why players dive and exaggerate; it works. It's a shame to see it creeping in to the GAA."
Cockney cat suck it up kid and take your medicine. Tipp the better team by a country mile and as for the red if you live to be a 100 you will never see a more clear cut red, 110 pc red. There is always next year

blackrockeddie (Cork) - Posts: 160 - 18/08/2019 19:35:40    2227180

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