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What's this "style of play" you refer to, and what bit of Kilkenny had Padraig Walsh playing as a sweeper on Saturday don't you understand?
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 29/07/2019 16:34:16 2218317 Link 0 |
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Wouldn't pay the slightest bit of attention to any 'analysis' on the sunday game and haven't done in years. If you have sky+ then just record it, skip through the mouthing and enjoy the action, makes life a lot easier. Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 29/07/2019 16:45:21 2218328 Link 0 |
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The SG has been in trouble for a while now but last night was surely one of the low points and shouldn't have been tolerated. It is poor quality analysis a lot of the time and when there is some quality discussion, it is often not possible to hear it as the person is being interrupted and talked over; the type of discussion that would take place in a bar. It is unprofessional and unfair to some pundits who do want to talk in a constructive way about the games. There need to be ground rules laid down as to what the public want and if you don't abide by these guidelines or come up to scratch then you should be replaced. The two boys last night should have been pulled up after 30 secs and the discussion brought back to the match in question. wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1909 - 29/07/2019 17:00:17 2218337 Link 1 |
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The Sunday game shot from behind the goal showed Kilkenny with 6 backs. Yes they pulled up a graphic of 5 forwards tackling 1 player to suit their own agenda. What I would class as a sweeper is a man that is standing on the square for the whole game. Not someone tracking back to make a tackle and then going back out to his position. Donal og made a comment that Kilkenny had 2 sweepers which was incorrect, the picture cleared showed only 4 Limerick forwards in the frame. Faithfull (Offaly) - Posts: 573 - 29/07/2019 17:01:15 2218338 Link 1 |
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does kevin foley stand on the edge of the square for the whole match faithfull? perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 29/07/2019 17:53:06 2218366 Link 0 |
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for 1 shot...what about the rest of the match?
perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 29/07/2019 17:59:26 2218370 Link 0 |
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I think a tiered rounders championship would be a real gamechanger for the Sunday Game. Obviously the lack of competitive games is the reason why they rarely broadcast rounders. Imagine the opportunity for the so-called weaker rounders county to see the stars of the game in meaningful competitive games.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7337 - 29/07/2019 18:19:00 2218376 Link 8 |
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I know the bizarre Brit bashing by Donal Og was the most notable aspect of last night's show, but wtf did the panelists and Des just ignore all the red card incidents from Sunday's minor match? It was like they wanted to maintain a perception that young lads are prone to losing their cool, they don't know any better and any disgraceful behaviour is ok as long as they grow out of it by the prestige senior matches. eoghan6688 (Galway) - Posts: 154 - 29/07/2019 18:20:02 2218377 Link 2 |
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Given the potential sensitive nature of the incident the Sunday Game were wise not to comment as they were not up dated on the medical status of young Morgan. Safer to babble on about Jackie Charlton.
maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1196 - 29/07/2019 19:40:51 2218407 Link 0 |
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could someone explain to me if a team have 4/5 forwards and the other team leave 6 backs how can you say they are playing a sweeper?sure if he has no player to mark he can go where he likes,how many times when the ball came into the KK back line there was 3 to 1 backs to forwards,the kk backs didnt follow the lk forwards out the field,thats not playing a sweeper,thats the opposition leaving the backs unmarked
mooncat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 533 - 29/07/2019 20:07:50 2218427 Link 1 |
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Exactly. Why would any team leave 5 defenders on 5 forwards, it would be madness with the space it would leave open.
Dec82 (Clare) - Posts: 242 - 29/07/2019 20:48:42 2218466 Link 0 |
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The presenters set the agenda, and Cahill and Cantwell are not up to the standard required. Thelonesomegoose (Leitrim) - Posts: 204 - 29/07/2019 23:13:38 2218540 Link 1 |
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I watched TSG back again last night to see if it was as bad the second time round. The first couple of minutes of analysis of the Wexford-Tipp match was quite good I thought. Then Des Cahill asks McGrath "were you hurt or offended by the criticism when you played a sweeper?" and off goes McGrath closely followed by Cusack. You could tell McGrath had been bottling it up for a while, he brought up Waterford's trouncing by Tipp in 2016 being mentioned as one of the highlights of the year on the last Sunday Game of that year (ie being heralded as the end of the sweeper system). Then Cusack went into his stream of consciousness rant about "the last remnants of British imperialism". ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 30/07/2019 18:23:12 2218843 Link 0 |
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No! no! no! it is called sitting back in the pocket now by the ones who lambasted Derek McGrath and Davy. I will name them again Brennan, Tyrell, Duignan and Cummins. Wexford might not have won on Sunday but it was a joy to see them break from defence and turn it into an attack with a score tagged on. None more beautiful than Liam Ryan's point.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 30/07/2019 23:17:58 2218948 Link 0 |
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Yeah it was beautiful. And yeah, they were shattered after 50 minutes even with Tipp a man down. Having your backs bomb forward into the opponents HF and FF lines to set up and take scores like they do in football is all very well. The problem is you get a breather in football, when everyone can funnel back and the team in possession are passing it back-and-forth across the pitch for a couple of minutes at a time. You don't get a breather in hurling. Wexford could barely pass the ball to each other towards the end they were so spent, several handpasses went straight to Tipp men. Sometimes it really is better to "let the ball do the work".
ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 31/07/2019 13:44:37 2219090 Link 1 |
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A very astute post. I couldn't believe how dead on their feet Wexford were with 10 minutes to go. I noted that inability to handpass to a team mate. Even in football the old mantra Mick O'Dwyer had about his players shouldn't have time to read the O'Neills on the football rings true. There's a lot to be said for accurate foot passing in gaelic and striking in hurling. This running throughout the field 'being all over the place but not all over the place' as Derek Ryan 'waxed lyrical' about on the Sunday Game takes massive reserves of energy. BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 31/07/2019 15:27:52 2219133 Link 1 |
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The issue with the 'sweeper' is when they drop in behind the full back line and hence are not involved in the game. They are not preventing an easy ball to the inside forward line. And this is what happened on Sunday with Wexford after the sending off and going 5 up. Whether this is to do with a lack of legs or a fear of getting of the line no one know. Did this come from the side line? I would doubt it as a change that was made was to bring Aidan Nolan on for Shaun Murphy. This would be considered an attacking change in my opinion. juicy (Meath) - Posts: 399 - 31/07/2019 16:35:02 2219157 Link 0 |
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[chuckle]
lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 475 - 31/07/2019 17:12:14 2219176 Link 0 |
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Wexford were tired on Sunday for the last 15-20 minutes but I don't think the game plan was why we lost it. We didn't have good enough subs to bring in to replace Jacko and Rory in particular. Shaun Murphy going off injured was a crucial loss. This is all down to a lack of blooding players during the league and early rounds of the championship. We were out on our feet yes but if we had better subs, and but for a few critical mistakes, we still could have won it. StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 31/07/2019 18:34:25 2219201 Link 0 |