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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "Exactly my thoughts. I'm actually happy for connaught GAA fans because for years they abused us Leinster counties. The reality is if Dublin were hammering everyone in any of the other 3 provinces the standards would deteriorate.

I'd be very surprised if Roscommon don't regress. That squad know they'll never be within a country mile of Dublin and would be better off putting their time and energy into something more productive.

Maybe the connaught win will keep them going. They'd be better off targeting the league as their All Ireland and the Connaught championship too."
How many Connacht GAA fans actually 'abused' Leinster counties?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5498 - 20/07/2019 21:12:42    2213697

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Should the dubs be rotated on a yearly basis to the other provinces? Would that breath new life into the whole thing? Provincials in hurling mean nothing with Galway in Leinster. Antrim have been there and Kerry can also go into Leinster due to Munster ignorance.
Dubin would walk every other province too.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 3683 - 20/07/2019 21:23:29    2213705

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "How many Connacht GAA fans actually 'abused' Leinster counties?"
Over the years we've been the laughing stock for ulster, connaught and munster gaels. The reality is not one of you would be in a good place if you were in Leinster every year.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2899 - 20/07/2019 21:33:23    2213708

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Replying To Greengrass:  "Did any of the other three provinces ever have a team winning 14 out of 15 provincial titles with no end to the dominance in sight ? Dublin won this year's title by an average margin of 19 points . Leinster is your largest province with 11 counties involved . The majority of those counties are primarily football counties . Munster has only six counties and five of those are hurling counties first. You are not comparing like with like. The Leinster football championship is dead."
No Leinster football is not dead. However the idea of carving up the country for a modern sport based on ancient mythological and medieval adminstrations while quaint has had its day. The provincial system is an obstacle to the modern game it has facilitated the dominence by a few. We are in the current state because the structures of the games allow it. So are we prepared to make the required changes to Games? No, so suck it up

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4181 - 20/07/2019 21:40:28    2213716

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Replying To daytona11:  "Should the dubs be rotated on a yearly basis to the other provinces? Would that breath new life into the whole thing? Provincials in hurling mean nothing with Galway in Leinster. Antrim have been there and Kerry can also go into Leinster due to Munster ignorance.
Dubin would walk every other province too."
I've been saying this for years. I actually think I made a thread back in 2013 or thereabouts calling for Dublin to be rotated. I remember for 2 years after I made likewise threads. I was laughed at back then and told leinster counties are just crap and need to up their game. Since then Dublin have won 5 in a row and now heads are turning in my direction.

Currently non leinster counties have a provincial title to play for. Us leinster counties don't. Dublin are going to win the AI regardless so why not shake things up and rotate them annually.

They beat Louth by 26, Kildare by 15 and Meath by 16. Why not give other counties the honor of being Hammered every 4 years when they Dubs come to town?

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2899 - 20/07/2019 21:41:29    2213717

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "I've been saying this for years. I actually think I made a thread back in 2013 or thereabouts calling for Dublin to be rotated. I remember for 2 years after I made likewise threads. I was laughed at back then and told leinster counties are just crap and need to up their game. Since then Dublin have won 5 in a row and now heads are turning in my direction.

Currently non leinster counties have a provincial title to play for. Us leinster counties don't. Dublin are going to win the AI regardless so why not shake things up and rotate them annually.

They beat Louth by 26, Kildare by 15 and Meath by 16. Why not give other counties the honor of being Hammered every 4 years when they Dubs come to town?"
Im on your level Jack. Theres just no joy or any realistic optimism supporting a leinster team who arent the dubs at the moment.id argue that even the dubs have had enough of the LFC at this stage.jayo and the rest of the lads might back this up. Its tough. If Kildare / Meath and even westmeath and laois were in ulster / connaught and munster we would have something to aim for. At the moment we are just regressing and the GAA are behind it.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 3683 - 21/07/2019 00:32:26    2213806

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "I've been saying this for years. I actually think I made a thread back in 2013 or thereabouts calling for Dublin to be rotated. I remember for 2 years after I made likewise threads. I was laughed at back then and told leinster counties are just crap and need to up their game. Since then Dublin have won 5 in a row and now heads are turning in my direction.

Currently non leinster counties have a provincial title to play for. Us leinster counties don't. Dublin are going to win the AI regardless so why not shake things up and rotate them annually.

They beat Louth by 26, Kildare by 15 and Meath by 16. Why not give other counties the honor of being Hammered every 4 years when they Dubs come to town?"
Here we go again , Jesus wept

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 1869 - 21/07/2019 08:27:03    2213832

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Replying To daytona11:  "Im on your level Jack. Theres just no joy or any realistic optimism supporting a leinster team who arent the dubs at the moment.id argue that even the dubs have had enough of the LFC at this stage.jayo and the rest of the lads might back this up. Its tough. If Kildare / Meath and even westmeath and laois were in ulster / connaught and munster we would have something to aim for. At the moment we are just regressing and the GAA are behind it."
Yeah it's much better viewing for Meath fans being beaten by 9 points by Donegal and Kildare fans must hav really enjoyed being hammered by 10 points by Tyrone. This isn't about Dublin, you're being hammered outside of Leinster as well. Maybe look to your county board for the answer instead of moaning about the province you are in. Neither Meath nor Kildare would get past any of Mayo, Galway, Kerry, Cork, Donegal, Tyrone to win another province. It's a simple as that at the moment.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4033 - 21/07/2019 09:09:44    2213846

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Replying To daytona11:  "Im on your level Jack. Theres just no joy or any realistic optimism supporting a leinster team who arent the dubs at the moment.id argue that even the dubs have had enough of the LFC at this stage.jayo and the rest of the lads might back this up. Its tough. If Kildare / Meath and even westmeath and laois were in ulster / connaught and munster we would have something to aim for. At the moment we are just regressing and the GAA are behind it."
The reality is since 1970 Dublin has won 33 Leinster senior football titles the rest of Leicester has shared the remaining 16, I'm open to correction though.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 1949 - 21/07/2019 09:55:47    2213852

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Replying To Joxer:  "Yeah it's much better viewing for Meath fans being beaten by 9 points by Donegal and Kildare fans must hav really enjoyed being hammered by 10 points by Tyrone. This isn't about Dublin, you're being hammered outside of Leinster as well. Maybe look to your county board for the answer instead of moaning about the province you are in. Neither Meath nor Kildare would get past any of Mayo, Galway, Kerry, Cork, Donegal, Tyrone to win another province. It's a simple as that at the moment."
Meath and Kildare would be better teams then they currently are if playing in Ulster. They are deteriorating because they must play a province every year.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2899 - 21/07/2019 10:11:45    2213856

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "Meath and Kildare would be better teams then they currently are if playing in Ulster. They are deteriorating because they must play a province every year."
Evidence? But sure Meath would be hammered every year by Donegal or Tyrone in Ulster. They'd be hammered by Kerry in Munster. They may get to a final in Connaught if they avoided Mayo or Galway in a semi but sorry, blaming an exceptional team in your province for your own shortcomings and lack of development is a complete cop out. Great facilities, large population, great footballing tradition, proximity to the capital, centre of excellence and the excuse for being hammered by Donegal is that you're in the same province as Dublin. Good Lord!

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4033 - 21/07/2019 10:28:39    2213862

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Replying To Joxer:  "Evidence? But sure Meath would be hammered every year by Donegal or Tyrone in Ulster. They'd be hammered by Kerry in Munster. They may get to a final in Connaught if they avoided Mayo or Galway in a semi but sorry, blaming an exceptional team in your province for your own shortcomings and lack of development is a complete cop out. Great facilities, large population, great footballing tradition, proximity to the capital, centre of excellence and the excuse for being hammered by Donegal is that you're in the same province as Dublin. Good Lord!"
You are talking rubbish Joxer. Meath took Tyrone to extra time last year. Kildare beat mayo. Laois lost to monaghan by 4 and monaghan were probably the second best team in the country.

Malonemagic (Laois) - Posts: 630 - 21/07/2019 11:12:13    2213884

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Replying To Malonemagic:  "You are talking rubbish Joxer. Meath took Tyrone to extra time last year. Kildare beat mayo. Laois lost to monaghan by 4 and monaghan were probably the second best team in the country."
Tyrone v Meath tomorrow and Tyrone wins pulling up. Donegal v Kildare tomorrow, same story. Full strength Mayo would steamroll Kildare. The rankings don't lie. Both counties' supporters, or not in Jack Goff's case as he won't attend their big matches, trying to blame Dublin's presence in Leinster for their regression. When was the last time they played Dublin in a league match? So they play Dublin once a year in the LSFC, if even as sometimes don't meet, and this is the reason why they are poor? I don't think so.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4033 - 21/07/2019 13:08:32    2213923

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Replying To Joxer:  "Tyrone v Meath tomorrow and Tyrone wins pulling up. Donegal v Kildare tomorrow, same story. Full strength Mayo would steamroll Kildare. The rankings don't lie. Both counties' supporters, or not in Jack Goff's case as he won't attend their big matches, trying to blame Dublin's presence in Leinster for their regression. When was the last time they played Dublin in a league match? So they play Dublin once a year in the LSFC, if even as sometimes don't meet, and this is the reason why they are poor? I don't think so."
But Meath aren't poor. They are division 1. Laois Kildare Westmeath are division 2. It's just that Dublin s greatness make these teams look worse than they are and it's nice to see other counties getting a taste of that medicine

Malonemagic (Laois) - Posts: 630 - 21/07/2019 13:43:38    2213935

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Replying To Joxer:  "Tyrone v Meath tomorrow and Tyrone wins pulling up. Donegal v Kildare tomorrow, same story. Full strength Mayo would steamroll Kildare. The rankings don't lie. Both counties' supporters, or not in Jack Goff's case as he won't attend their big matches, trying to blame Dublin's presence in Leinster for their regression. When was the last time they played Dublin in a league match? So they play Dublin once a year in the LSFC, if even as sometimes don't meet, and this is the reason why they are poor? I don't think so."
Joxer we bet a full strength Mayo team in the championship last year. Does that not count?

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 3683 - 21/07/2019 16:52:27    2214052

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "Meath and Kildare would be better teams then they currently are if playing in Ulster. They are deteriorating because they must play a province every year."
Jack, I'm sure it has often been brought to your attention but you have chosen a really apt name.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1213 - 21/07/2019 18:08:21    2214118

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Leinster Championship Solution 2020:
1. Dublin
2. Meath
3. Kildare

Leinster Qualifier Group:
Westmeath
Laois
Louth
Longford

Leinster Championship 2:
Offaly
Carlow
Wicklow
Wexford

Qualifier group winner home against defending Leinster champions in the semi-final.
Meath v Kildare in the other semi-final.

Semi-final losers playoff with the loser starting off in the qualifier group in the following year.

Leinster Qualifier Group bottom team relegated. Top 2 in Championship 2 into a final with the winner promoted to the Qualifier group of the next year.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 6233 - 24/07/2019 22:26:05    2216042

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