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Basquel is no longer in the squad. Davey Byrne and Lowndes would not be first choice over the 2011 players like Philly, ROC, Cooper, McCarthy and Cian. The real finds have been Kilkenny, Mannion, Jack and Fenton. I think Howard will come good and may be the new Flynn but don't forget that the following players will likely go next year... Cluxton Philly Cooper McCarthy Cian Michael DM Brogan Andrews Kevin Mc Fitzy ... all from 2011. We have come nowhere near to replacing these lads in the last 5-7 years so I don't know where this production line nonsense is coming from. In fact I don't think there are any new additions this year. Couple this with the loss of Flynn and Connolly and the void is very evident. Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4698 - 25/06/2019 13:44:44 2200602 Link 6 |
They just have a golden generation of volunteers right now.....so they have
WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 872 - 25/06/2019 13:51:23 2200606 Link 7 |
This does not tell the full story. Potentially this era is very different to anything previous for football (and we could potentially move to the All Ireland becoming a formality every year) because (1) This is not a natural continuation of Dublin success from what went before. Up to this era Dublin's high number of All Ireland wins was down to an anomaly of non Dublin people playing with Dublin teams in their early successful years as they could not easily travel home to play with their own counties. This is the reason Dublin won so many All Irelands in the early years (many when clubs were representing counties, Dublin had won 8 before Kerry won their first in 1903, had won 11 all Ireland's before 1908). Taking out the early years of the GAA when the Dublin team was kind of a team of country exiles Dublin have never consistently come any way close to matching Kerry's record until recently. This is not just a natural follow on from what went before. (2) As time has moved on the level of preparation has grown to where it is more and more important. Having the resources to prepare teams in a more professional manner is now much more important than ever before. This is not to put down Dublin, it's more to point out why people are worried that the way things are going current inter county structures may become unviable if these trends continue. To be honest I am not sure myself if this is just a great era for Dublin football or if their current advantages makes/ will make fair competition in impossible. In truth I don't think anyone is sure about this at the moment. There is a danger that the All Ireland will, in a few years be viewed like the Leinster football championship is now and no interest will be attached to it. If that happens it is bad for Dublin and bad for counties outside Dublin. bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1298 - 25/06/2019 13:59:18 2200610 Link 2 |
I forgot to mention Kilkenny . Of the ten you mention four are more bench players now . I don't see those ten all going at one time Joxer . They will all go in their own time . The age profile of the team is getting younger and the average winning margin is getting ever greater . In Leinster this year it was 19 points . All that without Connolly, Flynn and Johnny Cooper . Like I said Leinster is dead . The All Ireland will go the same way .
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6029 - 25/06/2019 14:26:37 2200629 Link 0 |
My explanation is the same today as it was on Sunday, I just like to keep on top of the news... Its simple , no team county should be getting an advantage over another in funding, or even playing all their games at home or the majority, Sorry about my two day delay, i was volunteering at my club...
Belclare (Galway) - Posts: 904 - 25/06/2019 14:43:25 2200643 Link 2 |
Yes certainly dead. All of above 2011 are 29+ years old. If they do the 5 why would they continue with the life sacrifices and punishing training regime? I just don't seem them staying on. Hopefully I'm wrong but it's a massive sacrifice for these guys.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4698 - 25/06/2019 14:56:33 2200651 Link 5 |
My explanation is the same today as it was on Sunday, I just like to keep on top of the news... Its simple , no team county should be getting an advantage over another in funding, or even playing all their games at home or the majority, Sorry about my two day delay, i was volunteering at my club... KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3480 - 25/06/2019 14:57:53 2200652 Link 1 |
So does this just pertain to Dublin or would you be ok with cutting funding to Galway so that they are in line with smaller populated county funding? Would you divide the money up per person or per registered player? Would you take into consideration a county like Antrim where they are more likely to struggle to get kids interested over say a Kerry kid who's born with a ball in his hand? Would you reward the county boards doing a good job over the county boards that aren't. Would you give more funding to counties decimated by emigration over areas that aren't as affected? Playing at home I completely agree with btw.
Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 25/06/2019 15:09:27 2200659 Link 6 |
So does this just pertain to Dublin or would you be ok with cutting funding to Galway so that they are in line with smaller populated county funding? Would you divide the money up per person or per registered player? Would you take into consideration a county like Antrim where they are more likely to struggle to get kids interested over say a Kerry kid who's born with a ball in his hand? Would you reward the county boards doing a good job over the county boards that aren't. Would you give more funding to counties decimated by emigration over areas that aren't as affected? Playing at home I completely agree with btw."]This is a very valid point.
Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 25/06/2019 15:55:45 2200701 Link 0 |
I have a question and maybe one of the Dublin supporters who post here can answer it for me; ye are always saying that the funding ye are getting from the GAA has played no part in yere success. It is repeated like a mantra by Dublin supporters. Anytime someone says the money has helped ye win All-Ireland's they are shot down by ye straight away. Dubs just don't want to hear it, not for a second. If that is the case then why do ye keep taking this funding from the GAA every year? Because after all ye obviously don't need it (as ye keep saying). Ye say ye would have won all those All-Ireland's without that money. It is a well known fact that the Dublin county board have strongly opposed all attempts by the GAA to cut their funding. Why doesn't the Dublin county board go to Croke Park and say "Thanks very much lads but it's OK we don't need all this extra moolah so just give us the same as everyone else". It seems to me ye want it both ways; ye want to keep getting all this funding but then the minute someone says "That is giving Dublin an advantage over every other county", they are up in arms with indignation and outrage. I don't get that; maybe someone can explain it to me. madfeen (Cork) - Posts: 7 - 25/06/2019 18:52:01 2200804 Link 2 |
So does this just pertain to Dublin or would you be ok with cutting funding to Galway so that they are in line with smaller populated county funding? Would you divide the money up per person or per registered player? Would you take into consideration a county like Antrim where they are more likely to struggle to get kids interested over say a Kerry kid who's born with a ball in his hand? Would you reward the county boards doing a good job over the county boards that aren't. Would you give more funding to counties decimated by emigration over areas that aren't as affected? Playing at home I completely agree with btw."]This is a very valid point."]I think it warrants debate instead of the usual rhetoric spouted on here yes.
Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 25/06/2019 19:16:07 2200813 Link 6 |
Oh hello new "Cork" poster yerrah! I'll bite. Nobody on here can answer that question. You would have to ask the County board why they are taking money that is given to them. As would any county. You say its repeated like a mantra by Dublin supporters that the money played no part in this teams success. I counter that by saying its repeated ad nauseam here and across multiple media platforms that money is the reason for the success. It cannot be quantified one way or the other.
Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 25/06/2019 19:21:57 2200820 Link 7 |
The funding has been vital in getting kids playing GAA in Dublin. Some people dont realise that there were and still are many large areas in Dublin with no GAA clubs. Of course the more kids playing GAA games the more chance of adult success down the road. I think its the disrespect shown to the senior county players by suggesting its 'funding' responsible for winning these All Irelands rather than their hard work, commitment and skill which people object to. Hope that helps. bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 25/06/2019 19:28:18 2200825 Link 3 |
I've never said we don't have advantages, and money is an issue that should be looked at on a national level. But the problem I have is there is more outcry about money than praise for a brilliant set of players. An unfair financial advantage would help Dublin stay at the top for the years to come but money did not buy our recent success, skill, commitment, bravery and great management did that. realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8571 - 25/06/2019 19:28:45 2200827 Link 9 |
Leinster is doing okay. Dublin are just very good. skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 245 - 25/06/2019 19:46:06 2200836 Link 2 |
It most certainly did. Take away the 5 odd million a year your county spends and you'd still be in the doldrums, especially hurling. By your lofty standards of course because even at your lowest you were still decent. I believe you are entitled to a lot of this money including your sponsorship but there's no doubt money equals more success. It's like saying if you'd the same number of clubs as Louth with the same number of players you'd be just as good. You wouldn't and all your many advantages aid your success. Otherwise they're not advantages. Yeah man City dominate England with skill and hard work but without the advantages they have over say Everton they'd be at a much lower level. Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 25/06/2019 19:52:39 2200840 Link 6 |
A bit worse? Nobody can get with 10 points of them and usually not within 15.
joeteor (Donegal) - Posts: 214 - 25/06/2019 19:56:17 2200845 Link 1 |
Plenty of time for a review in the winter. The funding model was designed in 2003 to deal with issues at the time no harm to review and amend accordingly. 5mins after a final it just seems a bitter time to argue about it Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 25/06/2019 20:07:59 2200852 Link 1 |
And I think it's going to be the exact same in the super 8s. At the moment only Donegal look like they will get near. skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 245 - 25/06/2019 20:17:09 2200859 Link 0 |
I don't know what "media platforms" you are referring to there but they definitely aren't the same ones I have been reading. I can guarantee you that if you went on Facebook or Twitter tomorrow and said that finance had played a part in Dublin's success you would be absolutely savaged straight away. I have never once seen in print or online a Dublin supporter agree with anyone who put this to him. Quite the opposite in fact. They go absolutely mental when you say it. It's "good coaching structures", "hard-working volunteers", "better organisation" but not money, oh no. I am not saying that the finance on it's own is the reason for the Dubs success, of course it isn't. However only a fool would say it hasn't played a part. But no Dub will agree with you when you say it. If the GAA were stupid enough to give to Cork what they have been giving to Dublin I have no doubt it would be wasted and probably not result in a single All-Ireland. Dublin have spent the money well, that seems clear. But it still doesn't make it right. madfeen (Cork) - Posts: 7 - 25/06/2019 20:48:23 2200884 Link 0 |