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Population of Dublin 1.35 million people. Number of football teams 1. Population of rest of Leinster 1.15 million people. Number of football teams 11. That might give a clue as to why each of the 11 teams are having difficulty keeping up with the other 1. Or we can ignore the elephant in the room and say that Wicklow just need to train harder. tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 24/06/2019 17:56:55 2200106 Link
Replying To tyroneed: "Population of Dublin 1.35 million people. Number of football teams 1. Population of rest of Leinster 1.15 million people. Number of football teams 11. That might give a clue as to why each of the 11 teams are having difficulty keeping up with the other 1. Or we can ignore the elephant in the room and say that Wicklow just need to train harder." Why has population suddenly become an issue. Dublin always had the biggest population. Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 24/06/2019 17:58:26 2200107 Link
Replying To tyroneed: "Population of Dublin 1.35 million people. Number of football teams 1. Population of rest of Leinster 1.15 million people. Number of football teams 11. That might give a clue as to why each of the 11 teams are having difficulty keeping up with the other 1. Or we can ignore the elephant in the room and say that Wicklow just need to train harder." How come Antrim ar average in ulster? Clearly they have a population advantage, cork football is not as strong despite there numerical advantage in Munster. I could go on but what's the point. Monkeycatcher (Meath) - Posts: 155 - 24/06/2019 18:04:48 2200108 Link
Replying To Greengrass: "How many of those 11 are regular starters Joxer ?" Most of them. There are 12 in the squad but I have left Bernard out as looks unlikely to figure. Astonishing that the same 8 from 2011 are still the foundation of this team. Paddy could quite easily start when he is back to fitness giving 9 starters from 2011. Starters are... Cluxton ROC Cooper Philly Fitzy McCarthy O'Sullivan McCauley Coming off the bench... Paddy Andrews Kevin Mc Bernard Eoghan O'Gara Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 24/06/2019 18:21:12 2200127 Link
Replying To tyroneed: "Population of Dublin 1.35 million people. Number of football teams 1. Population of rest of Leinster 1.15 million people. Number of football teams 11. That might give a clue as to why each of the 11 teams are having difficulty keeping up with the other 1. Or we can ignore the elephant in the room and say that Wicklow just need to train harder." The problem with Dublin is there are too many country people living in Dublin! Let's say only 5th generation Dubs or older should be allowed play for Dublin, and you could really reduce the numbers available to Dublin by only allowing a pure Dub on both maternal and paternal lines. The nonsense around this is straight out of Father Ted. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 24/06/2019 18:25:31 2200130 Link
Disappointed but they have to move on quickly Its all about how you react and if they meet dublin again later this summer they might be better prepared for them. BeJasus (UK) - Posts: 383 - 24/06/2019 18:31:13 2200137 Link
Replying To tyroneed: "Population of Dublin 1.35 million people. Number of football teams 1. Population of rest of Leinster 1.15 million people. Number of football teams 11. That might give a clue as to why each of the 11 teams are having difficulty keeping up with the other 1. Or we can ignore the elephant in the room and say that Wicklow just need to train harder." Population of Kerry 147,707. Have won 37 titles to Dublins 28 Kilkenny population 99,232 All Irelands 36 Dublin All Irelands 6 Limerick population 194,899 All Irelands 8 As anyone from Dublin Limerick Cork Galway and Waterford will know yes the added population does have its advantages in the sense that you could possibly have more kids signing up and more sponsorship money if people are inspired to buy the jerseys and tickets You also have alot more competition from other sports. Just using Limerick as an example as its what I know best. We have a world renowned pro rugby team 10 well attended city rugby clubs and atop by Irish standards rugby league club, a strong junior soccer scene, a senior soccer club, strong rowing clubs over the years although not what they used to be, a whole class of people in the city who would see their kids play cricket hockey tennis or anything except GAA despite the main stadium being on their doorstep. Also a whole bunch of people who play nothing or follow nothing except what winning which is why for years Man United was a bigger draw for a Limerick pub than the Limerick hurlers. Also not all of the population of a city are fans of that city. I lived in Limerick with Laois, Offaly, Wexford, Armagh and Tipperary folk. Half my family and school friends were Clare people. Population helps but it aint everything. Well done Dublin and I say that as someone who would cheer for anyone they played against Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 24/06/2019 19:00:45 2200157 Link
Replying To Jackeen: "Why has population suddenly become an issue. Dublin always had the biggest population." Lots of red thumbs but no answers. Plus ça change. Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 24/06/2019 19:01:19 2200158 Link
Replying To Jackeen: "Why has population suddenly become an issue. Dublin always had the biggest population." It hasn't "suddenly" become an issue. It has gradually become an issue since 2004 when the GAA used Dublin's huge population as an excuse for backing them to the hilt financially. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 24/06/2019 19:03:32 2200160 Link
Replying To Joxer: "Most of them. There are 12 in the squad but I have left Bernard out as looks unlikely to figure. Astonishing that the same 8 from 2011 are still the foundation of this team. Paddy could quite easily start when he is back to fitness giving 9 starters from 2011. Starters are... Cluxton ROC Cooper Philly Fitzy McCarthy O'Sullivan McCauley Coming off the bench... Paddy Andrews Kevin Mc Bernard Eoghan O'Gara" So Jack McCaffrey doesn't start if everyone is fit?? Right. . cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 24/06/2019 19:11:57 2200165 Link
The Leinster Championship is gone. Its not coming back. In saying that it does not mean the teams are poor. We are now in the last-16 of the championship, effectively. The knockout stages so to speak. There are Dublin obviously, who are a force of nature, there's Meath in the Super 8 play-off, and in the Rd.3 qualifiers we have Kildare, Westmeath, Offaly, and Laois. Id also say Longford would be there if they had a more favourable draw in the last round. Yes, the Leinster championship is over, a dead rubber, but there's life in the counties. It's gotten to a stage for me personally where I'd gladly cheer on any Leinster county, forget about the old county tribalism, its a different championship now. Work needs to be done in the province, no doubt about it but all of the above teams are good sides. Are they top 8 material? Apart from Dublin and maybe Meath/Kildare at a real (fluky) stretch I don't think so. The thing is; at the current championship structure none of the above teams can ever actually win anything. As I said twice, the Leinster championship isnt a competition. They can of course win a Division 3 or Division 2 title etc, but nothing in championship football. An added incentive of a restructured championship would be fantastic to create a buzz around the province again. There's 6 teams mentioned above and aside from the Dubs there's not a lot between them... throw in Louth who've had very strong teams in the past and Carlow who have made strides and you've a province where there's real competition. The issue is that Dublin arent in it anymore in one form or another. Just food for thought. Young_gael (Meath) - Posts: 587 - 24/06/2019 19:27:54 2200177 Link
Replying To Joxer: "Most of them. There are 12 in the squad but I have left Bernard out as looks unlikely to figure. Astonishing that the same 8 from 2011 are still the foundation of this team. Paddy could quite easily start when he is back to fitness giving 9 starters from 2011. Starters are... Cluxton ROC Cooper Philly Fitzy McCarthy O'Sullivan McCauley Coming off the bench... Paddy Andrews Kevin Mc Bernard Eoghan O'Gara" Astonishing that you believe a team that won 6 out of 8 all irelands with a player turnover of over half the team are once in a generation outfit and not indicative of a larger player advantage. Fact is Dublins seconds would be probably the second best team in the country. joeteor (Donegal) - Posts: 217 - 24/06/2019 19:35:44 2200185 Link
I think the reality is that Dublin are by far the best team in Leinster. After that the 'cluchies' have no idea if what's going on in the ground so everything is but down to money as the easy option. How much did Longford get....and do not tell me it wasn't Games Development money so doesn't count. witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 24/06/2019 19:36:50 2200186 Link
Replying To Monkeycatcher: "How come Antrim ar average in ulster? Clearly they have a population advantage, cork football is not as strong despite there numerical advantage in Munster. I could go on but what's the point." Of course numbers count and especially when you have good organisation/coaching- Ask Leitrim. Dublin in the 60's and 70's had few senior teams in the south side but that has all changed. Well done to Dublin they had good organisation over the last 20 years. Now Antrim is different with all that has gone on there with the troubles and the once fine Casement Park that is now in a shambles. Antrim no longer leads the way, but did win an AI U21 in 1969 or around that time. browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 24/06/2019 19:37:15 2200187 Link
I think the reality is that Dublin are by far the best team in Leinster. After that the 'cluchies' have no idea if what's going on in the ground so everything is but down to money as the easy option. How much did Longford get....and do not tell me it wasn't Games Development money so doesn't count. witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 24/06/2019 19:50:39 2200200 Link
"underage success has been scare since". Are you trained by the same PR team as Jim Gavin? Since 2010 you've won 4 all Ireland u21's. That's the underage grade that counts the most. Since 2010 you've won 6 u21 leinster titles. Yeah lads I'm sure this won't last forever. Keep telling yourselves that. I've been saying it for years you'd dominate and I was right. I'm saying now you'll be lucky to lose 1 AI in the next 5 years and 2 in the next 10. You'll be lucky to lose 1 Leinster in that time. The football championship is well and truly in the midst of it's darkest ever era. Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 24/06/2019 19:51:48 2200201 Link
Replying To cavanman47: "It hasn't "suddenly" become an issue. It has gradually become an issue since 2004 when the GAA used Dublin's huge population as an excuse for backing them to the hilt financially." The OP was talking about pick unless I read it wrong. And our pick was always bigger. Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 24/06/2019 20:01:11 2200212 Link
I think the reality is that Dublin are by far the best team in Leinster. After that the 'cluchies' have no idea if what's going on in the ground so everything is but down to money as the easy option. How much did Longford get....and do not tell me it wasn't Games Development money so doesn't count. witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 24/06/2019 20:03:00 2200213 Link
Maybe the GAA should ban condoms outside of Dublin to even things up Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 24/06/2019 20:04:51 2200214 Link
Right Dublin success has nothing to do with money nothing to do with population. They still have won the last 14 out of 15 leinster championships. How many more do they need to win before somebody says enough is enough ? why continue with this farce ? All-right Meath are possibly under achieving. We need to get to Dublin level right ? Dublin are as close as you can get to a professional setup. The GAA is amateur organization. teams like Meath are never going to be able to get to that professional level. And players dont want it either as players are walking away from inter county teams all the time because the commitment it to great. Supporters are now not attending matches its a mess. bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 24/06/2019 20:09:18 2200220 Link