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With all the talk of the demise of Leinster football it's great to see that over a third of the teams remaining in the championship are from Leinster.
Six Leinster teams: Dublin, Meath,Kildare, Offaly , Laois and Westmeath. Come on Leinster!

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2990 - 24/06/2019 12:10:06    2199803

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Replying To Miami305:  "I'm glad people have started to notice the Mayo Dublin love in that goes on here. Dublin people " oh mayo ye were so great and ye should have beat us, ye were the only team that could ever put it up to us"

Mayo people " lads leave dublin alone and forgot the financial help they have. they are the greatest team of all time and by virtue we were the second best team of all time but we have nothing to show for it unless you count moral victories!?""
I'm sure you'll be able to provide a few quotes from on here backing up your nonsense.

the_walls (Mayo) - Posts: 495 - 24/06/2019 12:10:11    2199804

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Replying To lilywhite1:  "With all the talk of the demise of Leinster football it's great to see that over a third of the teams remaining in the championship are from Leinster.
Six Leinster teams: Dublin, Meath,Kildare, Offaly , Laois and Westmeath. Come on Leinster!"
50% of the Leinster teams are already out of the championship!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1794 - 24/06/2019 12:32:48    2199829

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Replying To Joxer:  "A voice of reason at last. Some think that throwing millions at Meath, Kildare and Monaghan will make them AI champions. This Dublin panel has been 2 decades in the making. It's once in a generation stuff."
Obviously this is hard to prove but I don't believe so. I think in 5-10 years time your team will be even better then it is now and jim gavin could well be still in charge. In these 10 years I can see you losing at most 2 all ireland's but not losing in Leinster once.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 24/06/2019 12:34:43    2199831

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Replying To lilywhite1:  "With all the talk of the demise of Leinster football it's great to see that over a third of the teams remaining in the championship are from Leinster.
Six Leinster teams: Dublin, Meath,Kildare, Offaly , Laois and Westmeath. Come on Leinster!"
Spillane thought it was 50% yesterday evening, and I think he was a teacher by profession.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3421 - 24/06/2019 12:46:02    2199843

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "For info.
The last time a (non Dublin) Leinster team reached an all Ireland was 2001.
Connacht have had one county reach finals since then (Mayo)
Munster have had two (Cork and Kerry)
Ulster have had 4 (Down, Armagh, Tyrone and Donegal)
Down was a freak year, Armagh was in 2002 and nowhere near after 2003.

Hardly a great imbalance compared to others.

Bar Dublin and Meath Leinster has been crap since 1983.
That's no different to Connacht.
Bar Cork and Kerry Munster has been crap for 100 years or so.
Ulster was crap from 1949 to 1990.

The reality is it's always been Kerry or Dublin with the odd special team coming from elsewhere.

It will be nothing different for the next 20 yrs unless the GAA get serious about evening the standard"
If you're counting 2001 then its two for Connacht....Galway won it.

Fair enough on the rest but I am more looking at best of the rest. Kerry and Dublin have been dominant but not in my lifetime (and i am the wrong side of 35!) and certainly not the extent that I see with Dublin now. I dont think a Leinster team thats not Dublin have challenged in a semi final since 2010. Its not much better for quarter finals either....thinking about it League 1 has rarely seen more than two Leinster teams in the last 10 years if at all. No team has won sam more than twice in a row in nearly 40 years. All due respect to Kerry back then it was win 4 games and job done.

Gator (Monaghan) - Posts: 238 - 24/06/2019 13:18:55    2199879

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "Obviously this is hard to prove but I don't believe so. I think in 5-10 years time your team will be even better then it is now and jim gavin could well be still in charge. In these 10 years I can see you losing at most 2 all ireland's but not losing in Leinster once."
As much as I don't dispute your clairvoyance abilities there is absolutely nothing to back it up. Dublin are carrying 11 2011 AI winners in this panel around 30yo each with their best years behind them. Should they reach the magic 5 a lot of these lads will forego the punishing Dublin football training regime for normal family life. If they still win an AI then that could only be down to other counties incompetence.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 24/06/2019 13:59:37    2199921

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I'm sick of everyone being jealous of Dublin, get over it they are a great team, it's up to the rest of us to reach that level, so stop complaining

PyatPree (Cork) - Posts: 376 - 24/06/2019 14:20:01    2199947

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Replying To Joxer:  "As much as I don't dispute your clairvoyance abilities there is absolutely nothing to back it up. Dublin are carrying 11 2011 AI winners in this panel around 30yo each with their best years behind them. Should they reach the magic 5 a lot of these lads will forego the punishing Dublin football training regime for normal family life. If they still win an AI then that could only be down to other counties incompetence."
How many of those 11 are regular starters Joxer ?

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 24/06/2019 14:30:49    2199954

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Spillane thought it was 50% yesterday evening, and I think he was a teacher by profession."
Teacher and publican.Maybe the latter has clouded his judgement

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 24/06/2019 14:45:37    2199967

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Replying To Joxer:  "As much as I don't dispute your clairvoyance abilities there is absolutely nothing to back it up. Dublin are carrying 11 2011 AI winners in this panel around 30yo each with their best years behind them. Should they reach the magic 5 a lot of these lads will forego the punishing Dublin football training regime for normal family life. If they still win an AI then that could only be down to other counties incompetence."
Of your starting team vs meath 10 of them are relatively young. There are 5 older lads with vital experience but they'll be phased out and easily replaced over the next few years when better talent comes through. Even the 10 younger lads are not safe. There won't be any shortage of key players coming through this unprecedented development system Dublin have.

You're fooling nobody pretending you won't be around forever.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 24/06/2019 14:47:15    2199970

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Replying To Greengrass:  "How many of those 11 are regular starters Joxer ?"
Or play in the league

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 24/06/2019 14:51:51    2199975

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Spillane thought it was 50% yesterday evening, and I think he was a teacher by profession."
50% of Leinster teams remain and they account for over 1/3 of the 16 remaining teams. Simple maths.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2990 - 24/06/2019 14:55:28    2199978

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "You're right joxer millions a lone might not get those teams you mention over the line but if they got to play all their games at home and got home town reffs that might get them over the promise land."
Home town refs? Sure you got an away one in cork on Saturday. Please tell me you played for the KY gel , be the least ye could have done . Cork got some roasted by the ref.

Monkeycatcher (Meath) - Posts: 155 - 24/06/2019 15:22:01    2199994

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Replying To baire:  "50% of the Leinster teams are already out of the championship!"
As are 50% of the Munster and Connacht teams too, and more than 50% of the Ulster teams. This tends to happen halfway through the championship.

iarmhi_an_mhaith (Westmeath) - Posts: 268 - 24/06/2019 15:30:04    2199999

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Replying To lilywhite1:  "50% of Leinster teams remain and they account for over 1/3 of the 16 remaining teams. Simple maths."
Leinster counties account for 1/3 of the teams that start in the championship .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 24/06/2019 15:40:37    2200009

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This next round is Leinsters big test. Laois/Offaly guarantees 1 Leinster team to join Meath in round 4. But if Westmeath and Kildare win it will really shine our province in a different light.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 24/06/2019 16:16:49    2200023

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "Of your starting team vs meath 10 of them are relatively young. There are 5 older lads with vital experience but they'll be phased out and easily replaced over the next few years when better talent comes through. Even the 10 younger lads are not safe. There won't be any shortage of key players coming through this unprecedented development system Dublin have.

You're fooling nobody pretending you won't be around forever."
Of course Dublin will be around forever. Dublin were always around. 41 All Ireland final appearances winning 28. The real anomaly was the 16 year gap between final appearances in 1995 and 2011. That had never happened in the history of the GAA for Dublin. And over that span they were still one of the top teams in the country most years.

What we are seeing today is the same as Kerry in the 80s who won 4 in a row and 7 out of 9. Kilkenny in the 2000s won 4 in a row and 7 out of 10. A group of great players all came along around the same time and formed the greatest teams we have seen. The great players retire, and Kerry and Kilkenny came back to the pack. But same as Dublin they will always be around.

The current all conquering Dubs came to prominence and were complimented by a fantastic minor team at the same time that produced Mannion, Kilkenny, McCaffrey, Costello. Underage success has been scarce since then. It is laughable to suggest the current crop of all time great Dubs will be "easily replaced". Already you hear people saying that Dublin are not as strong as they used to be. And that is before the heap of retirements that are coming in the next few years (possibly this year if the 5 in a row gets done) particularly on the defensive side of the ball. Philly, JC, COS, Mick Fitz. Irreplaceable. The squad players like Kev Mc, MDMA, O'Gara, Andrews, Daly all coming to the end of their careers. Suddenly the bench is not looking so fearsome.

I'll enjoy every second of the current success while we have it. Here's hoping Cluxton stays on until he's 50.

Pantani (Dublin) - Posts: 48 - 24/06/2019 16:39:33    2200044

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Former Kildare player tweeted this.

"Probably at the stage now where teams should boycott the Leinster championship. It's a joke. County boards are as much to blame as
@officialgaa
for allowing this to happen."

One of the replies raises a good point. No wonder Meath and Kildare county boards are silent.

"The two biggest Leinster counties outside Dublin are cap in hand to GAA looking for stadium funding, Leper. While it should happen, it won't."

I feel like Meath and Kildare CB would love to make a big deal of finding but unlike Dublin our home stadiums are falling apart and we need to come cap in hand asking for money. It's probably the same with the likes of Cork and Louth. We are at the mercy of the GAA and we all know they think the Dublin model is great and shouldn't change.

Already most GAA fans from Leinster counties are effectively exercising a boycott by not attending matches anymore, particularly vs Dublin but you could make a case for players too. Leinster counties can't get their best 25/30 players to commit.

The show goes on but for how long. Clubs in my own county are concerned with club affairs. They've lost interest in the county scene and there are no calls for change from the administrators that represent the outcry from supporters. It will be interesting to see if this culture changes with the issue gaining support on social media and in the traditional media. Time will tell.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 24/06/2019 17:00:17    2200064

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Replying To iarmhi_an_mhaith:  "As are 50% of the Munster and Connacht teams too, and more than 50% of the Ulster teams. This tends to happen halfway through the championship."
I blame all the money that Dublin get for the fact that Limerick are out. Its all cause of Dublin and their money that Limerick havnt wone more Sam more : )

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 24/06/2019 17:54:43    2200105

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