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Replying To Malonemagic:  "You don't get it. If roscommon were in a province where they had to face the greatest team of all time in their back yard every year , they would soon tail off. Roscommon for example have a realistic shot at silverware. The rest of leinster didsnt.Galway won connacht last year and were embarrassed by Dublin, as were roscommon in the super 8s. They will face them again croke park this year And I predict it will be 10 to 15 points.And this is not an anti Dublin post. It's just a retaliation to the knocking the rest of Leinster gets."
Exactly. Roscommon wouldn't struggle big time to sign players up for the cause if Dublin were in Connaught. They'd have no hope of winning anything bar the league.

I heard the year mcentee took charge, roughly half the player's mcentee invited to turn up for trials refused. We've top talent like Nash off playing in the AFL. Defeats like today will turn even more lads off committing in future and if they do they won't hang around for long. We are trapped in our province. Meath would be better doing a galway in hurling and moving to connaught.

Now this could all be solved if Dublin played in a different province every year so we'd only get Hammered every 4. Or give them a bye to the super 8's or entered in round 1 of the all Ireland qualifiers.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 23/06/2019 21:20:12    2199410

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Replying To Malonemagic:  "You don't get it. If roscommon were in a province where they had to face the greatest team of all time in their back yard every year , they would soon tail off. Roscommon for example have a realistic shot at silverware. The rest of leinster didsnt.Galway won connacht last year and were embarrassed by Dublin, as were roscommon in the super 8s. They will face them again croke park this year And I predict it will be 10 to 15 points.And this is not an anti Dublin post. It's just a retaliation to the knocking the rest of Leinster gets."
That is the easy way out. If Laois or Meath were in Munster or Ulster, they wouldn't have a hope of winning those provinces either going back to even longer from when the Dubs took over Leinster in 2011. They wouldn't have a chance in Connacht either for years.

So what do the rest of Leinster do? Give up like Kilkenny?

Kerry (who are still the greatest team of all time btw until the Dubs win more All-Irelands! ) dominated Munster from 1975 to 1986 and won 8 All-Irelands in that time, but they were eventually beaten by Cork in 1987 and they went on to win 2 All-Ireland's in 1989 and 1990. If they gave up or moaned about the strength of Kerry destroying football, they would have gotten nowhere.

Dublin are the best in Ireland and would win any province obviously, but other Leinster counties need to improve, by first becoming competitive against the best of the rest of the country and try to get into the super 8's and then stay there for a few years. That is your only hope of catching the likes of Dublin. Kildare have some potential in doing that.

Dublin will win easily enough against Roscommon this year, but Roscommon won't get hammered like Meath were and the same with Galway. By getting in there every year a Leinster team will improve signifcantly and will at least give themselves a chance against the Dubs in the Leinster championship.

county man (Limerick) - Posts: 1102 - 23/06/2019 21:26:12    2199419

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Meath and Kildare are important counties. And they should be encouraged. That said it might be necessery for Dublin to field 2 teams in the future. One based in Parnell park and another based in Croke park. Or something along those lines.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2517 - 23/06/2019 21:27:17    2199423

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Replying To moc.dna:  "Throw on a Sky blue jersey there, I never saw a guy on here to be backing everything in relation to the Dubs, it's a laugh."
I'm not backing the Dubs a bit. They're a quality team, that's a fact. Just saying self-pity isn't helping anyone.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7324 - 23/06/2019 21:28:56    2199427

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Gavin and Cluxton will go soon, they wont always be unbeatable, ourselves and meath have no excuses after that not to make leinster competitive Feckin doomsday merchants

lilypad (Kildare) - Posts: 1363 - 23/06/2019 21:28:57    2199428

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Replying To centerfield:  "If the Meath team of the late 90s were in Leinster at the moment the Dubs would not have got to 3 in a row let alone aiming for 5 in a row.

Dublin are playing in one of the worst eras in football standard wise Kerry and Galway poor by their standards. Cork and Meath terrible since 2010. Ulster weaker than at any time since the 80s."
True about being a poor era. Not Dublins fault or anyone elses but when a single once in a lifetime team comes along coinciding with a poor spell for the rest its always a bad mix.

Schumacher was amazing but put alot off F1 cause he was so far ahead and for neutrals will never live up to Hunt/Lauda or Prost/Senna for drama.

Federer almost had the same problem till Nadal came along. Lance Armstrong too if You were not a fan of him and his BS story will never be as good as Coppi/Bartali or Anguitil/Poulidor and also Man.United vs ABU in the 90s up until Wenger

Sport needs narrative and if the Dubs had just 1 team who could take em on we would be looking at this era as being up there with Kerry/Dubs from the 70s80s

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 23/06/2019 22:02:40    2199466

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Replying To greysoil:  "Oh sorry you are right. Nothing to see. Move on."
Facts and figures. It's just too easy to excuse your own county's shortcomings. Monaghan's poor showing has nothing to do with Dublin "financial doling". Meath scoring 4 points in 78m and missing a tonne of chances has nothing to do with "financial doping". But sure if it helps you sleep at night.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 23/06/2019 22:04:43    2199468

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Replying To greysoil:  "I remember being at the replayed Leinster final in 2004, when Westmeath won their first Leinster title, The scenes on the day were amazing & will stay with me always.
How anyone could say that that spectacle in Croke Park was in anyway enjoyable. Seeing idiots in other threads speaking of a 'sweet victory' for Dublin. How can a victory be sweet when there is one team in the country that dominates because of years of financial doping.
I hope that the numbers continue to plummet & the GAA can finally see the harvest of chaff that they have sown."
And if the gates do plummet there will be less and less for everyone, except Dublin of course who financially are solid and self-financing. So yeah cut your nose off to spite your face, mad comment.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4893 - 23/06/2019 22:08:40    2199472

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Replying To greysoil:  "Oh sorry you are right. Nothing to see. Move on."
Facts and figures. It's just too easy to excuse your own county's shortcomings. Monaghan's poor showing has nothing to do with Dublin "financial doling". Meath scoring 4 points in 78m and missing a tonne of chances has nothing to do with "financial doping". But sure if it helps you sleep at night.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 23/06/2019 22:17:15    2199480

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Ohhh dear the collective amnesia brigade are back...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20598 - 23/06/2019 22:36:48    2199497

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Replying To Joxer:  "Facts and figures. It's just too easy to excuse your own county's shortcomings. Monaghan's poor showing has nothing to do with Dublin "financial doling". Meath scoring 4 points in 78m and missing a tonne of chances has nothing to do with "financial doping". But sure if it helps you sleep at night."
Dublin winning 9 Leinster finals in a row by an average margin of 14.5 points does. As does the fact they're the first team to win 6 All Irelands in a decade, probably 7.

joeteor (Donegal) - Posts: 214 - 23/06/2019 22:38:44    2199500

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It is great to see Dublin playing entertaining football but it is time to look at spreading the money out to other counties for a period of 5-10 years to see if it would close the golf. Not sure it will, as.with Kk in hurling it isn't just money that makes them great.

Brian_Coyote (Antrim) - Posts: 346 - 23/06/2019 22:59:03    2199516

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Explain your comment."
Football as a neutral spectator sport is on its last legs .......and needs the kiss of life.

lowandhard (Galway) - Posts: 33 - 23/06/2019 23:10:24    2199523

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Replying To lilypad:  "Gavin and Cluxton will go soon, they wont always be unbeatable, ourselves and meath have no excuses after that not to make leinster competitive Feckin doomsday merchants"
Why would Gavin or Cuxton leave while they are winning? Cody and Mickey Harte are still managing. Why won't Gavin be in 10 years time? He's certainly young enough.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 23/06/2019 23:59:31    2199543

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Replying To Joxer:  "Facts and figures. It's just too easy to excuse your own county's shortcomings. Monaghan's poor showing has nothing to do with Dublin "financial doling". Meath scoring 4 points in 78m and missing a tonne of chances has nothing to do with "financial doping". But sure if it helps you sleep at night."
It's funny. When you speak to dubs and ask them do/did they play football 90% of the time the answer will be along the lines of "I used to when I was a kid or in school". They'll then lecture you on the game using all this expertise they picked up as children. So I can generally forgive their ignorance on stuff like this.

For Meath's shooting today, sometimes games go like that and the harder you try to force it the worse it gets. Playing against the top funded team in the country you need everything to go right for you and to take your chances. Today unfortunately everything our forwards did turned to junk. Some dubs may not have seen this in their careers as juvenile footballers.

Don't know much about Monaghan. Maybe their excellent team has just reached the end of the road. Hard to keep a squad going so long without a constant churn of talent from expensive academies.

Greenfield (Meath) - Posts: 522 - 24/06/2019 00:07:42    2199545

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Dublin haven't killed the Leinster championship, it's up to other Leinster counties to give them more to think about and improve and eventually beat them. Look at Cork last night putting Kerry to the pin of their collar. As you say the other teams are doing well in the qualifiers. They need to keep improving and strive to beat Dublin.Dublin have a psychological advantage over some counties who get to games with a 'sure we'll do our best' atitude rather than self-belief that they'll win. Now definitely they are formidable opponents with a great manger but some teams are affectively starting games against them three or four points down. Donegal and Kerry won All Irelands recently so a whole load of positivity in the head might reduce that big gap a bit and it might breed the confidence needed to knock the off their perch."
This is like politicians blaming journalists in 2008 for talking the country into a recession.

Donegal won 7 years ago, not exactly recently. Kerry won in 2014 most likely because they didn't have to play the dubs that year. Everything else you are trying to say is either irrelevant or clutching at straws.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 24/06/2019 01:00:12    2199560

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Replying To county man:  "That is the easy way out. If Laois or Meath were in Munster or Ulster, they wouldn't have a hope of winning those provinces either going back to even longer from when the Dubs took over Leinster in 2011. They wouldn't have a chance in Connacht either for years.

So what do the rest of Leinster do? Give up like Kilkenny?

Kerry (who are still the greatest team of all time btw until the Dubs win more All-Irelands! ) dominated Munster from 1975 to 1986 and won 8 All-Irelands in that time, but they were eventually beaten by Cork in 1987 and they went on to win 2 All-Ireland's in 1989 and 1990. If they gave up or moaned about the strength of Kerry destroying football, they would have gotten nowhere.

Dublin are the best in Ireland and would win any province obviously, but other Leinster counties need to improve, by first becoming competitive against the best of the rest of the country and try to get into the super 8's and then stay there for a few years. That is your only hope of catching the likes of Dublin. Kildare have some potential in doing that.

Dublin will win easily enough against Roscommon this year, but Roscommon won't get hammered like Meath were and the same with Galway. By getting in there every year a Leinster team will improve signifcantly and will at least give themselves a chance against the Dubs in the Leinster championship."
There's a good chance that Roscommon will take a bad beating. It's a soul destroying thing that teams outside Leinster don't appreciate.

HighKings (Meath) - Posts: 271 - 24/06/2019 06:57:20    2199579

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Replying To arock:  "And if the gates do plummet there will be less and less for everyone, except Dublin of course who financially are solid and self-financing. So yeah cut your nose off to spite your face, mad comment."
Well if things did get bad enough in the All Ireland series that audiences aren't tuning in and fans aren't turning up then sponsors won't be interested in giving as much money. That's when it potentially creates more of an issue for Dublin. AIG aren't Dublin's sponsor out if some kinda love for the game. Don't forget AIG were one of the worse culprits in the Global Financial Crash, they would drop Dublin in a heartbeat should things change.

Another knock-on effect is that reduced revenue for the GAA means less central funding for Dublin too. So the games development money would have to be reduced.

In other words Dublin cannot insulate itself from the monetary effects of a reduced audience for the game.

HighKings (Meath) - Posts: 271 - 24/06/2019 07:05:56    2199580

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Replying To joeteor:  "Dublin winning 9 Leinster finals in a row by an average margin of 14.5 points does. As does the fact they're the first team to win 6 All Irelands in a decade, probably 7."
Was the same said about Kerry's stroll in 1982? Fact is that Dublin have won 3 AIs by a single point and should have lost two of those. 11 players from 2011 around 30yo are the backbone of this panel. I'm not sure where the millions that have been pumped in since 2011 are influencing this magnificent team's legacy. Tell us.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 24/06/2019 09:01:26    2199613

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Replying To Greenfield:  "It's funny. When you speak to dubs and ask them do/did they play football 90% of the time the answer will be along the lines of "I used to when I was a kid or in school". They'll then lecture you on the game using all this expertise they picked up as children. So I can generally forgive their ignorance on stuff like this.

For Meath's shooting today, sometimes games go like that and the harder you try to force it the worse it gets. Playing against the top funded team in the country you need everything to go right for you and to take your chances. Today unfortunately everything our forwards did turned to junk. Some dubs may not have seen this in their careers as juvenile footballers.

Don't know much about Monaghan. Maybe their excellent team has just reached the end of the road. Hard to keep a squad going so long without a constant churn of talent from expensive academies."
You're right. Some days go that way but somehow some people think this is down to Dublin's funding. It can somehow excuse that Meath performance. The game would have been closer apparently. Dublin were poor for the first 45 mins yesterday. They only had 7 points on the board yet Meath only had 2. I just couldn't believe the Meath tactic of trying to isolate the Dublin FB line but then not playing the ball in early. Instead they resorted to pot shots around the 45. Tactical suicide.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 24/06/2019 09:07:14    2199617

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