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Conor Cox Kerry Mistake

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Replying To summerof09:  "Two big games off the top of my head

The 2017 All Ireland semi final against Mayo - He was subsequently dropped for the replay

Last year against Galway at Croke Park - He was subsequently dropped for the Monaghan game

He hasn't scaled the heights of 2014 unfortunately.

Note his two All Stars and POTY came in 2013 and 2014.

His injuries may have affected him but I'd take Conor Cox over him now."
Off the top of your head I am sure. He was actually very effective when he came in against mayo in that replay. The whole team misfired in that Galway game I cannot think of a single Kerry player that performed that day. His career has been ruined by injuries and that is the big issue with JOD. Give me a choice when both are fit and I'd take James all day long, problem is he is never fit.

What is the evidence that Cox is anything other than a one season wonder btw? He has had a good league and a very good Connaught championship to date. Nobody in kerry is too put out that he is gone despite the whole country telling us what a mistake we've made.

As for it being the same Galway that shut kerry down last year it really isn't. They have a raft of injuries and had the look of a team not pulling for their manager in that second half. It was an embarrassment when compared to some of their very good displays in recent years.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 19/06/2019 18:02:27    2197691

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Replying To David:  "God a long way to go before suggesting he'll get an All Star!!"
1 more Man of the Match performance in the Super 8's and I would say he wins an All Star. He's been terrific this year

Romell01 (Roscommon) - Posts: 21 - 20/06/2019 23:59:11    2198177

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Replying To Romell01:  "1 more Man of the Match performance in the Super 8's and I would say he wins an All Star. He's been terrific this year"
I think he already has it. He has got a lot of coverage and its a great underdog story he never gave up and showed the kerry boys they made one of the biggest mistakes in GAA history.

brisbane (Galway) - Posts: 674 - 22/06/2019 02:14:22    2198471

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Replying To brisbane:  "I think he already has it. He has got a lot of coverage and its a great underdog story he never gave up and showed the kerry boys they made one of the biggest mistakes in GAA history."
Settle down there a bit.

KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 898 - 22/06/2019 13:00:44    2198552

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Replying To brisbane:  "I think he already has it. He has got a lot of coverage and its a great underdog story he never gave up and showed the kerry boys they made one of the biggest mistakes in GAA history."
Hopefully it might inspire a few lads from the capital to go and play for their mothers and fathers counties.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 22/06/2019 13:35:13    2198563

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "Off the top of your head I am sure. He was actually very effective when he came in against mayo in that replay. The whole team misfired in that Galway game I cannot think of a single Kerry player that performed that day. His career has been ruined by injuries and that is the big issue with JOD. Give me a choice when both are fit and I'd take James all day long, problem is he is never fit.

What is the evidence that Cox is anything other than a one season wonder btw? He has had a good league and a very good Connaught championship to date. Nobody in kerry is too put out that he is gone despite the whole country telling us what a mistake we've made.

As for it being the same Galway that shut kerry down last year it really isn't. They have a raft of injuries and had the look of a team not pulling for their manager in that second half. It was an embarrassment when compared to some of their very good displays in recent years."
O'Donoghue is a more naturally skillful footballer than Cox but, like you say, he's injury-prone and has never reached the heights of 2014 since then and they were serious heights. If Kerry people say Cox isn't good enough to make the Kerry team I value their opinion over other counties.

But asking about Cox being a one season wonder or even an early season is a question that won't be answered until his performances drop. For now we can definitely say he's the best newcomer to the Senior Inercounty Championship in 2019.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7335 - 22/06/2019 13:58:10    2198568

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "O'Donoghue is a more naturally skillful footballer than Cox but, like you say, he's injury-prone and has never reached the heights of 2014 since then and they were serious heights. If Kerry people say Cox isn't good enough to make the Kerry team I value their opinion over other counties.

But asking about Cox being a one season wonder or even an early season is a question that won't be answered until his performances drop. For now we can definitely say he's the best newcomer to the Senior Inercounty Championship in 2019."
Yes I'd agree. If he was available to Kerry now I'd have him in the panel ahead of Walsh, Lyne, Mikey Geaney and maybe a few others. He'd be in training alongside Clifford, Geaney, JOD, Sean O'Shea, Steven O'Brien and others. Whether he could beat them out in that environment i don't know.

I think it's too early to be declaring it a huge error though. I don't think he would be a big difference maker for Kerry tbh but I respect the fact that other people disagree. If Kerry could sort out their various issues in other parts of their team I think their existing forwards would look a lot better. The league final is an excellent example, Clifford had his man in his pocket but they couldn't get him the ball.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 22/06/2019 15:04:19    2198580

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I think on current form that yes it was perhaps a wee bit mismanaged, on current form he'd be an asset for any team in the country and would be well up the list for Dublin.

From my own gut instinct he's playing with a desire to prove some people wrong and he has a gold medal now because of it.

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Form can be temporary.

Let's see if he can finish what he's so impressively started.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 22/06/2019 16:51:27    2198607

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other then Clifford both kerry forwards in the full forward line very very poor. Makes the treatment of cox all the more confusing

brisbane (Galway) - Posts: 674 - 23/06/2019 13:50:55    2198950

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Now that Conor's inter county season has concluded for the year , what's the verdict?

dakid (Australia) - Posts: 284 - 05/08/2019 11:21:29    2221030

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Replying To dakid:  "Now that Conor's inter county season has concluded for the year , what's the verdict?"
Very good first year in senior inter county football.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7335 - 05/08/2019 11:26:12    2221033

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The verdict wad no mistake was made in Conor going to Rosscommon.

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 05/08/2019 11:37:59    2221044

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Brilliant debut season for Roscomon. Fair play to him. He will get an All Star nomination I expect.

I have stated throughout this thread that Kerry will not miss him and I would stand by that. It's just not a position of need. Paul Geaney has hit his stride and Killian Spillane has emerged even since then, David Shaw will hopefully come in next spring. I doubt Conor will look to come back and play for Kerry but even if he did I'd prefer Kerry develop the above guys going forward.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 05/08/2019 11:56:51    2221053

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Replying To dakid:  "Now that Conor's inter county season has concluded for the year , what's the verdict?"
Id say Kerry dropped a clanger myself.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 05/08/2019 12:00:37    2221057

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Id say Kerry dropped a clanger myself."
No we didnt. Conor is a fine player but his only instinct is to shoot, he takes on the shot all the time.
The top forwards dont do that they give it to a man in a better position.
Kerry have hardly lacked a ball winning scoring forward have they?

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 05/08/2019 12:38:18    2221079

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Replying To westkerry:  "No we didnt. Conor is a fine player but his only instinct is to shoot, he takes on the shot all the time.
The top forwards dont do that they give it to a man in a better position.
Kerry have hardly lacked a ball winning scoring forward have they?"
Not true from what I have seen of him. He's confident in his own ability like any good forward should be but many times he laid the ball off to players in better positions and created/assisted many scores this year. Yesterday was another prime example of the unselfish work he got through as he work back and set up many attacks

In the terms scoring. 1-54 in 12 league and championship games which works out as 5 points per game. I'm looking forward to seeing how he plays alongside the Murtagh brothers next year. Diarmuid was never really up to speed this summer due to missing out on winter training with a serious eye injury and all of the league and Ciarán took a year out.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3741 - 05/08/2019 13:44:02    2221110

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Replying To westkerry:  "No we didnt. Conor is a fine player but his only instinct is to shoot, he takes on the shot all the time.
The top forwards dont do that they give it to a man in a better position.
Kerry have hardly lacked a ball winning scoring forward have they?"
All opinions of course, all fit you look at the two best sides in the country in maybe Mayo and Dublin, League Champions and All Ireland Champions. I think he making the Tyrone panel as well, as all ireland finalists last year.

Both have marquee forwards and Cox is making those panels in my opinion, if hes making those panels then he is making the Kerry panel.

I know you lads highly esteem your forwards and rightly so Geany, O Shea, Clifford are cracking players, O Brien is having a good year. Yet all of those have been guilty of patchy form or being doubled marked into making less of impact throughout and thus far in their careers. Cox is a cracking lad to have on that panel and improves the depth Kerry have.

I also think their is a few roles going not just at full forward given the JOD situation, but half forward as well, yee could do with a physical presence in there, lads like White and Spillane have been tried and the line seems fluid enough. Cox would defo add to that.

JOD sadly looks like his body has got the better of him and whats telling is that Kerry have had to go like lads Tommy Walsh for depth and options. That is telling.

Kerry have fine forwards to be sure, not magnificent depth though comparatively, half forwards like is a bit fluid and additions required, Either way Cox would be a massive option. They dont have anyone of the caliber of Andy Moran, Bernard Brogan, Connolly etc etc, its the panel that wins these tournaments.

Does Cox improve the Kerry panel, a definite yes in my opinion objectively, its not criticizing what there, just would it be a better panel with Cox, definitely.

Away form that lad defo deserves an All Star in my opinion, cracking little player.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 05/08/2019 14:01:50    2221119

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Replying To westkerry:  "No we didnt. Conor is a fine player but his only instinct is to shoot, he takes on the shot all the time.
The top forwards dont do that they give it to a man in a better position.
Kerry have hardly lacked a ball winning scoring forward have they?"
Cox is actually an excellent play maker and continually holds the ball up and lays off to better placed players. I'm not interested in the silly discussion about whether Kerry made a mistake in letting him go.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 05/08/2019 19:29:34    2221284

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Replying To neverright:  "Cox is actually an excellent play maker and continually holds the ball up and lays off to better placed players. I'm not interested in the silly discussion about whether Kerry made a mistake in letting him go."
Agree the lad is a Rossie now and thats all that matters.
He has a medal in his pocket that he can be proud of.

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 05/08/2019 20:27:42    2221311

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