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This is a major decision. County board wanted to change for the past two years in line with Croke Park and minor championship. Clubs vehemently opposed it, presumption was that Croke Park would make a binding decision for all counties but that it would be implemented in 2021. It looks like 2020 now, major impact on all clubs, will it be odd age groups whole way now? What about players born in 2002? No minor (18) competition? Convention not for another 3 weeks, clubs will want notice as many AGMs being held shortly and underage managements being organised.

Bellewest (Westmeath) - Posts: 107 - 13/11/2019 23:50:48    2249564

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Replying To Bellewest:  "This is a major decision. County board wanted to change for the past two years in line with Croke Park and minor championship. Clubs vehemently opposed it, presumption was that Croke Park would make a binding decision for all counties but that it would be implemented in 2021. It looks like 2020 now, major impact on all clubs, will it be odd age groups whole way now? What about players born in 2002? No minor (18) competition? Convention not for another 3 weeks, clubs will want notice as many AGMs being held shortly and underage managements being organised."
How many counties actually want go this route of 13, 15 & 17 would be a good question. As stated previously clubs in our county at underage level were and still are opposed to this. Senior county officials and senior reps seem oblivious to their underage committee members wishes to stay as is.

Convert2 (Westmeath) - Posts: 7 - 14/11/2019 10:37:41    2249583

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Replying To Convert2:  "How many counties actually want go this route of 13, 15 & 17 would be a good question. As stated previously clubs in our county at underage level were and still are opposed to this. Senior county officials and senior reps seem oblivious to their underage committee members wishes to stay as is."
We have been told that ourselves and Longford were the only ones holding up "progress" in Leinster by sticking with 14/16/18. Nationally I heard that contrary to that 20 or 22 counties haven't yet changed, not sure if that's correct.
Last year in Westmeath only one club voted for so it will be interesting to see what happens now

Thechick (Westmeath) - Posts: 48 - 14/11/2019 16:27:35    2249632

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Clubs won't have a say. Email from Croke Park circulated to minor board and clubs indicating that decision is binding. No huge surprise that Croke Park took the initiative here, surprise is that it's happened relatively late in the year with minor board and clubs already planning coaching teams and competitions for next year and this obviously affects their plans.

Bellewest (Westmeath) - Posts: 107 - 14/11/2019 17:15:36    2249648

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This just shows how far removed Croke Park are from the grass roots. Administration will be easier with this age change. However, most clubs are struggling to get players through to adult football and hurling, I feel this change will widen the gap and accelerate further drop out after 17.

Wmeath2 (Westmeath) - Posts: 92 - 14/11/2019 23:08:43    2249707

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Replying To Bellewest:  "Clubs won't have a say. Email from Croke Park circulated to minor board and clubs indicating that decision is binding. No huge surprise that Croke Park took the initiative here, surprise is that it's happened relatively late in the year with minor board and clubs already planning coaching teams and competitions for next year and this obviously affects their plans."
It seems that counties are told to go 13/15/17, if you want to organize and run your own internal Und 18/19 competition that's up to each individual county. If your turning 18 next year and are not strong enough for adult Div 5/6 ,you wont have any football/hurling unless the CB organize a competition.

Thechick (Westmeath) - Posts: 48 - 15/11/2019 08:06:47    2249714

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Replying To Wmeath2:  "This just shows how far removed Croke Park are from the grass roots. Administration will be easier with this age change. However, most clubs are struggling to get players through to adult football and hurling, I feel this change will widen the gap and accelerate further drop out after 17."
They're 2 sides to this. Theere are problems in counties where club competitions are for different age grades to development squads and in particular county minor(u17) . It is good policy to completely separate underage and adult fixtures. However my view is that player drop off is a bigger problem than either of these issues and it will be hard to give 18 year olds meaningful games if u18 games end. The letter from croke park asks counties to adopt a policy. It is not mandatory as the rule books gives counties full autonomy on this. Counties are also required by the croke park letter to operate one age grade above u17 and below adult.


Letter that was circulated.

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The following is the current policy regarding Age Grades following the adoption by Central Council of the Talent Academy Report.

Developmental Age Grades

All age grades up to and including u17 are considered developmentalWithin this range Association policy is that counties should operate u13, u15 and u17 age grades as a minimum requirementCounties may, in addition, opt to play at u12, u14, and u16; counties who wish to play these additional age grades may do so in consultation with GDC

 

Age Grades above u17

Counties are expected to operate at least one age grade above u17 and below adult; that age grade(s) can be determined by the county in consultation with GDC ....

midfield9 (Westmeath) - Posts: 32 - 15/11/2019 20:21:11    2249791

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Westmeath are the only county in Leinster with 5 schools playing in Leinster A championship - mullingar, rochfortbridge, Moate, Athlone cc and Marist Athlone. Schools football is now U19. Why are the county board not banging down the door of these schools to get access to players before/after school and putting in a development plan in place? Many of these schools have access to their own gyms and pitches. Would cover probably 150 players from the likes of Lomans, shamrocks, the downs, shandonagh, Kinnegad, tyrellspass, rochfortbridge, Rosemount, Caulry, Moate, Athlone, garrycastle, Tubberclair, Maryland, tang to name a few!!

Wmeath2 (Westmeath) - Posts: 92 - 16/11/2019 11:13:44    2249845

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Replying To Wmeath2:  "Westmeath are the only county in Leinster with 5 schools playing in Leinster A championship - mullingar, rochfortbridge, Moate, Athlone cc and Marist Athlone. Schools football is now U19. Why are the county board not banging down the door of these schools to get access to players before/after school and putting in a development plan in place? Many of these schools have access to their own gyms and pitches. Would cover probably 150 players from the likes of Lomans, shamrocks, the downs, shandonagh, Kinnegad, tyrellspass, rochfortbridge, Rosemount, Caulry, Moate, Athlone, garrycastle, Tubberclair, Maryland, tang to name a few!!"
Name the schools with their own gym?

valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1673 - 16/11/2019 13:58:47    2249865

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Replying To valley84:  "Name the schools with their own gym?"
Marist College have a fully kitted out gym.

Wmeath2 (Westmeath) - Posts: 92 - 16/11/2019 19:57:21    2249904

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Replying To valley84:  "Name the schools with their own gym?"
Athlone CC have a gym in their new school as well.

Wmeath2 (Westmeath) - Posts: 92 - 16/11/2019 19:57:57    2249905

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Castlepollard community college have a brand new gym too.

Bellewest (Westmeath) - Posts: 107 - 16/11/2019 21:34:42    2249925

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If not the even AND odd age grades as I posted about here previously (which I think is the best idea) why not run U13/15/17 competitions and a meaningful U20 comp. Whats wrong with that??

Boarderboy (Meath) - Posts: 92 - 20/11/2019 20:59:48    2250581

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Replying To Boarderboy:  "If not the even AND odd age grades as I posted about here previously (which I think is the best idea) why not run U13/15/17 competitions and a meaningful U20 comp. Whats wrong with that??"
Id imagine 13/15/17 and a meaningful Under 19 would appeal more to clubs. A lot of peoples worries is the drop off where a small just overage 17yr old will be swallowed up by big 20yr olds. Under 19 still a gap for those kids but it better.

Thechick (Westmeath) - Posts: 48 - 21/11/2019 16:24:54    2250720

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