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State Of Limerick Hurling

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flyinghigh


16/04/2019
19:24



State Of Limerick Hurling

Following the opening round of this year's County senior and intermediate c.ships .its glaringly obvious that the West division is in dire need of some emergency attention before it slips even further down the hurling ladder. One senior team , and they were defeated on Saturday tells it's own story .With most clubs plying their trade in the junior or lower intermediate grade something urgent needs to be done to move clubs up playing at a higher level. It's not a coincidence that our lack of competing not alone winning at Harty level is a serious handicap. Surely towns like NCW ,Abbeyfeale and Rathkeale could supply a team capable of reaching Harty standard,even if they had to join up to do so.Something has to be done at underage level.Top coaches need to be engaged at school level and this can't be put on long finger any longer It needs addressing now.This once striving division has slipped far enough and clubs need the drive and leadership to have at least more than one West Limerick club competing at senior level .

Administrator (None) - Posts: 2159 - 17/04/2019 09:28:17    2179231

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16/04/2019
19:24



State Of Limerick Hurling

Following the opening round of this year's County senior and intermediate c.ships .its glaringly obvious that the West division is in dire need of some emergency attention before it slips even further down the hurling ladder. One senior team , and they were defeated on Saturday tells it's own story .With most clubs plying their trade in the junior or lower intermediate grade something urgent needs to be done to move clubs up playing at a higher level. It's not a coincidence that our lack of competing not alone winning at Harty level is a serious handicap. Surely towns like NCW ,Abbeyfeale and Rathkeale could supply a team capable of reaching Harty standard,even if they had to join up to do so.Something has to be done at underage level.Top coaches need to be engaged at school level and this can't be put on long finger any longer It needs addressing now.This once striving division has slipped far enough and clubs need the drive and leadership to have at least more than one West Limerick club competing at senior level ."
Absolutely agree. The issue with the combined Harty teams is that it was scrapped by the Munster schools board. This short sighted decision needs to be revised. Kids cant be bussed into Ard Scoil Ris from West Limerick and it's better to have more kids playing Harty anyway. Underage needs urgent attention. Newcastlewest are making good strides but others need to follow suit. Abbeyfeale is not a well run club and I say this as they dont harness their population successfully in either small ball or big ball. It's a touch ironic that there are healthier hurling clubs over the border in Kerry than there are in West Limerick . I'd invite 4 Kerry clubs to take part in the West Division to drive up standards. Kilkenny have Carlow clubs in their leagues. Id go a step further and ask them to take part in Championship

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 997 - 17/04/2019 09:54:21    2179235

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flyinghigh


16/04/2019
19:24



State Of Limerick Hurling

Following the opening round of this year's County senior and intermediate c.ships .its glaringly obvious that the West division is in dire need of some emergency attention before it slips even further down the hurling ladder. One senior team , and they were defeated on Saturday tells it's own story .With most clubs plying their trade in the junior or lower intermediate grade something urgent needs to be done to move clubs up playing at a higher level. It's not a coincidence that our lack of competing not alone winning at Harty level is a serious handicap. Surely towns like NCW ,Abbeyfeale and Rathkeale could supply a team capable of reaching Harty standard,even if they had to join up to do so.Something has to be done at underage level.Top coaches need to be engaged at school level and this can't be put on long finger any longer It needs addressing now.This once striving division has slipped far enough and clubs need the drive and leadership to have at least more than one West Limerick club competing at senior level ."
Absolutely agree. The issue with the combined Harty teams is that it was scrapped by the Munster schools board. This short sighted decision needs to be revised. Kids cant be bussed into Ard Scoil Ris from West Limerick and it's better to have more kids playing Harty anyway. Underage needs urgent attention. Newcastlewest are making good strides but others need to follow suit. Abbeyfeale is not a well run club and I say this as they dont harness their population successfully in either small ball or big ball. It's a touch ironic that there are healthier hurling clubs over the border in Kerry than there are in West Limerick . I'd invite 4 Kerry clubs to take part in the West Division to drive up standards. Kilkenny have Carlow clubs in their leagues. Id go a step further and ask them to take part in Championship"
A very interesting proposal, bloodyban. A few years back, weren't the Limk junior hurling champions, Caherline if my memory serves me right, beaten by a Kerry team in the Munster club championship? Was it Kilgarvan, of Healy-Rae fame, that did the deed?

So, inviting a few Kerry clubs to partake in the west division, could up the ante, and also the standard!

shoulderghost (Limerick) - Posts: 789 - 17/04/2019 11:04:12    2179259

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flyinghigh


16/04/2019
19:24



State Of Limerick Hurling

Following the opening round of this year's County senior and intermediate c.ships .its glaringly obvious that the West division is in dire need of some emergency attention before it slips even further down the hurling ladder. One senior team , and they were defeated on Saturday tells it's own story .With most clubs plying their trade in the junior or lower intermediate grade something urgent needs to be done to move clubs up playing at a higher level. It's not a coincidence that our lack of competing not alone winning at Harty level is a serious handicap. Surely towns like NCW ,Abbeyfeale and Rathkeale could supply a team capable of reaching Harty standard,even if they had to join up to do so.Something has to be done at underage level.Top coaches need to be engaged at school level and this can't be put on long finger any longer It needs addressing now.This once striving division has slipped far enough and clubs need the drive and leadership to have at least more than one West Limerick club competing at senior level ."
every county has a pocket of clubs that are dominated by football......west limerick is that area in limerick. but still declan hannon seamus flanagan, and tom condon were on the team that won the all ireland last year . not saying more could be done in west limerick but that post is a bit of a wind up.....they don't even play hurling in foynes, ballyhahill, athea, glin abbeyfeale.

munsterchamps (Limerick) - Posts: 712 - 17/04/2019 11:11:34    2179262

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flyinghigh


16/04/2019
19:24



State Of Limerick Hurling

Following the opening round of this year's County senior and intermediate c.ships .its glaringly obvious that the West division is in dire need of some emergency attention before it slips even further down the hurling ladder. One senior team , and they were defeated on Saturday tells it's own story .With most clubs plying their trade in the junior or lower intermediate grade something urgent needs to be done to move clubs up playing at a higher level. It's not a coincidence that our lack of competing not alone winning at Harty level is a serious handicap. Surely towns like NCW ,Abbeyfeale and Rathkeale could supply a team capable of reaching Harty standard,even if they had to join up to do so.Something has to be done at underage level.Top coaches need to be engaged at school level and this can't be put on long finger any longer It needs addressing now.This once striving division has slipped far enough and clubs need the drive and leadership to have at least more than one West Limerick club competing at senior level ."
every county has a pocket of clubs that are dominated by football......west limerick is that area in limerick. but still declan hannon seamus flanagan, and tom condon were on the team that won the all ireland last year . not saying more could be done in west limerick but that post is a bit of a wind up.....they don't even play hurling in foynes, ballyhahill, athea, glin abbeyfeale."
Are you saying that because a portion of the west is predominantly football that all of it is? More uninformed opinion. Supplying only 3 players on a senior panel is a sign of the demise rather than an expression of hope. There are 12 maybe 15hurling clubs in West Limerick and previous posts are right something needs to be done. The suggestion about the Kerry clubs is nothing but a wind up and deserves no further comment. For those that don't know Abbeyfeale kids play hurling with a well run Glantine club. For those who talk about progress in Newcastle I suggest they look again. There should be a hurling development committee for west Limerick before it's too late. Problem is no one seems to care so ultimately there can be only one conclusion i.e. as things stand hurling is dieing west Limerick and those looking in from the outside are either blind to the obvious or simply don't care.

Green2debone (Limerick) - Posts: 14 - 19/04/2019 08:02:59    2179534

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flyinghigh


16/04/2019
19:24



State Of Limerick Hurling

Following the opening round of this year's County senior and intermediate c.ships .its glaringly obvious that the West division is in dire need of some emergency attention before it slips even further down the hurling ladder. One senior team , and they were defeated on Saturday tells it's own story .With most clubs plying their trade in the junior or lower intermediate grade something urgent needs to be done to move clubs up playing at a higher level. It's not a coincidence that our lack of competing not alone winning at Harty level is a serious handicap. Surely towns like NCW ,Abbeyfeale and Rathkeale could supply a team capable of reaching Harty standard,even if they had to join up to do so.Something has to be done at underage level.Top coaches need to be engaged at school level and this can't be put on long finger any longer It needs addressing now.This once striving division has slipped far enough and clubs need the drive and leadership to have at least more than one West Limerick club competing at senior level ."
Absolutely agree. The issue with the combined Harty teams is that it was scrapped by the Munster schools board. This short sighted decision needs to be revised. Kids cant be bussed into Ard Scoil Ris from West Limerick and it's better to have more kids playing Harty anyway. Underage needs urgent attention. Newcastlewest are making good strides but others need to follow suit. Abbeyfeale is not a well run club and I say this as they dont harness their population successfully in either small ball or big ball. It's a touch ironic that there are healthier hurling clubs over the border in Kerry than there are in West Limerick . I'd invite 4 Kerry clubs to take part in the West Division to drive up standards. Kilkenny have Carlow clubs in their leagues. Id go a step further and ask them to take part in Championship"
I often do not agree with some of your views, but I would utterly support your suggestions above. I think we should also look at amalgamations of some clubs at adult level, as for several reasons i.e. smaller families and disappearance of opportunities for employment, etc the continued existence of some smaller clubs is under threat.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 1872 - 19/04/2019 09:04:30    2179536

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flyinghigh


16/04/2019
19:24



State Of Limerick Hurling

Following the opening round of this year's County senior and intermediate c.ships .its glaringly obvious that the West division is in dire need of some emergency attention before it slips even further down the hurling ladder. One senior team , and they were defeated on Saturday tells it's own story .With most clubs plying their trade in the junior or lower intermediate grade something urgent needs to be done to move clubs up playing at a higher level. It's not a coincidence that our lack of competing not alone winning at Harty level is a serious handicap. Surely towns like NCW ,Abbeyfeale and Rathkeale could supply a team capable of reaching Harty standard,even if they had to join up to do so.Something has to be done at underage level.Top coaches need to be engaged at school level and this can't be put on long finger any longer It needs addressing now.This once striving division has slipped far enough and clubs need the drive and leadership to have at least more than one West Limerick club competing at senior level ."
every county has a pocket of clubs that are dominated by football......west limerick is that area in limerick. but still declan hannon seamus flanagan, and tom condon were on the team that won the all ireland last year . not saying more could be done in west limerick but that post is a bit of a wind up.....they don't even play hurling in foynes, ballyhahill, athea, glin abbeyfeale."
But why do they not play hurling in a town the size of Abbeyfeale, or rather why do older club officials stop it, when several young lads from the town have travelled to train and play with local clubs, ofen at great personal inconvenience, and indeed as regards Athea they actually had a hurling team back in the forties. When Duagh can field a hurling team, there is no reason why Abbeyfeale should not do so.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 1872 - 19/04/2019 09:09:23    2179538

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flyinghigh


16/04/2019
19:24



State Of Limerick Hurling

Following the opening round of this year's County senior and intermediate c.ships .its glaringly obvious that the West division is in dire need of some emergency attention before it slips even further down the hurling ladder. One senior team , and they were defeated on Saturday tells it's own story .With most clubs plying their trade in the junior or lower intermediate grade something urgent needs to be done to move clubs up playing at a higher level. It's not a coincidence that our lack of competing not alone winning at Harty level is a serious handicap. Surely towns like NCW ,Abbeyfeale and Rathkeale could supply a team capable of reaching Harty standard,even if they had to join up to do so.Something has to be done at underage level.Top coaches need to be engaged at school level and this can't be put on long finger any longer It needs addressing now.This once striving division has slipped far enough and clubs need the drive and leadership to have at least more than one West Limerick club competing at senior level ."
every county has a pocket of clubs that are dominated by football......west limerick is that area in limerick. but still declan hannon seamus flanagan, and tom condon were on the team that won the all ireland last year . not saying more could be done in west limerick but that post is a bit of a wind up.....they don't even play hurling in foynes, ballyhahill, athea, glin abbeyfeale."
Are you saying that because a portion of the west is predominantly football that all of it is? More uninformed opinion. Supplying only 3 players on a senior panel is a sign of the demise rather than an expression of hope. There are 12 maybe 15hurling clubs in West Limerick and previous posts are right something needs to be done. The suggestion about the Kerry clubs is nothing but a wind up and deserves no further comment. For those that don't know Abbeyfeale kids play hurling with a well run Glantine club. For those who talk about progress in Newcastle I suggest they look again. There should be a hurling development committee for west Limerick before it's too late. Problem is no one seems to care so ultimately there can be only one conclusion i.e. as things stand hurling is dieing west Limerick and those looking in from the outside are either blind to the obvious or simply don't care."]Yea they do play with Glantine and indeed Tour, but I feel that if the town had its own hurling club there would be more young people from the town involved.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 1872 - 19/04/2019 09:12:14    2179540

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flyinghigh


16/04/2019
19:24



State Of Limerick Hurling

Following the opening round of this year's County senior and intermediate c.ships .its glaringly obvious that the West division is in dire need of some emergency attention before it slips even further down the hurling ladder. One senior team , and they were defeated on Saturday tells it's own story .With most clubs plying their trade in the junior or lower intermediate grade something urgent needs to be done to move clubs up playing at a higher level. It's not a coincidence that our lack of competing not alone winning at Harty level is a serious handicap. Surely towns like NCW ,Abbeyfeale and Rathkeale could supply a team capable of reaching Harty standard,even if they had to join up to do so.Something has to be done at underage level.Top coaches need to be engaged at school level and this can't be put on long finger any longer It needs addressing now.This once striving division has slipped far enough and clubs need the drive and leadership to have at least more than one West Limerick club competing at senior level ."
every county has a pocket of clubs that are dominated by football......west limerick is that area in limerick. but still declan hannon seamus flanagan, and tom condon were on the team that won the all ireland last year . not saying more could be done in west limerick but that post is a bit of a wind up.....they don't even play hurling in foynes, ballyhahill, athea, glin abbeyfeale."
Are you saying that because a portion of the west is predominantly football that all of it is? More uninformed opinion. Supplying only 3 players on a senior panel is a sign of the demise rather than an expression of hope. There are 12 maybe 15hurling clubs in West Limerick and previous posts are right something needs to be done. The suggestion about the Kerry clubs is nothing but a wind up and deserves no further comment. For those that don't know Abbeyfeale kids play hurling with a well run Glantine club. For those who talk about progress in Newcastle I suggest they look again. There should be a hurling development committee for west Limerick before it's too late. Problem is no one seems to care so ultimately there can be only one conclusion i.e. as things stand hurling is dieing west Limerick and those looking in from the outside are either blind to the obvious or simply don't care."]Yea they do play with Glantine and indeed Tour, but I feel that if the town had its own hurling club there would be more young people from the town involved."]I played senior championship hurling with Austin Stacks years ago. I'd played junior hurling in a south Limerick
the year before. And you'd about 16-18 junior clubs in the south at the time...plenty of hurlers!

The standard in Kerry was waay higher, even back then.

In mitigation, no intermediate grade existed at the time, but I think that the way hurling has progressed in the interim that west Limk senior could be a good match for north Kerry senior and for certain clubs, Kerry intermediate hurling.

shoulderghost (Limerick) - Posts: 789 - 19/04/2019 15:47:48    2179580

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I had hoped that this topic could shed light on the state of hurling in the west. Apparently I hope in vain. What do we get ? Uninformed comment from people who know nothing about the scene in the west the ludicrous suggestion that Kerry teams be admitted and at a time when clubs need to amalgamate all over a suggestion that a successful amalgamation be broken up to attempt starting a hurling club where there is no appetite for same. Not one single positive suggestion

Green2debone (Limerick) - Posts: 14 - 19/04/2019 16:18:19    2179584

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Replying To Green2debone:  "I had hoped that this topic could shed light on the state of hurling in the west. Apparently I hope in vain. What do we get ? Uninformed comment from people who know nothing about the scene in the west the ludicrous suggestion that Kerry teams be admitted and at a time when clubs need to amalgamate all over a suggestion that a successful amalgamation be broken up to attempt starting a hurling club where there is no appetite for same. Not one single positive suggestion"
go to the next county board meeting and make a few suggestions....you seem keen to help.

munsterchamps (Limerick) - Posts: 712 - 19/04/2019 18:11:58    2179602

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Replying To Green2debone:  "I had hoped that this topic could shed light on the state of hurling in the west. Apparently I hope in vain. What do we get ? Uninformed comment from people who know nothing about the scene in the west the ludicrous suggestion that Kerry teams be admitted and at a time when clubs need to amalgamate all over a suggestion that a successful amalgamation be broken up to attempt starting a hurling club where there is no appetite for same. Not one single positive suggestion"
or maybe west board meeting....rambling on about it here isn't going to do much.

munsterchamps (Limerick) - Posts: 712 - 19/04/2019 18:15:39    2179603

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Replying To Green2debone:  "I had hoped that this topic could shed light on the state of hurling in the west. Apparently I hope in vain. What do we get ? Uninformed comment from people who know nothing about the scene in the west the ludicrous suggestion that Kerry teams be admitted and at a time when clubs need to amalgamate all over a suggestion that a successful amalgamation be broken up to attempt starting a hurling club where there is no appetite for same. Not one single positive suggestion"
For one who knows so much you seem completely unaware that was a tournament that ran for years involving West Limerick and North Kerry Clubs some years back.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 1872 - 19/04/2019 19:14:08    2179604

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "For one who knows so much you seem completely unaware that was a tournament that ran for years involving West Limerick and North Kerry Clubs some years back."
I'm aware of it oldtourman but it didn't run for long and it didn't involve Kerry teams playing in a west or county championship. Why so petty? Are you not hopeful that something productive can be done ? Does it not disappoint you that nothing productive has been posted?

Green2debone (Limerick) - Posts: 14 - 19/04/2019 20:31:02    2179612

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I think it not right with so many junior clubs in the division that so many talented players will never get to play club senior hurling. Surely clubs should be allowed join to form an intermediate team and still be allowed play in junior c.ship with their club.Or have a divisional senior team which I know was tried before and could be a difficult sell.There has to be some formula that would raise standards and move West hurling forward.Lets put some workable and worthwhile ideas on here and just maybe someone in a position to make a difference will notice it

flyinghigh (Kerry) - Posts: 200 - 19/04/2019 22:39:30    2179622

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Replying To Green2debone:  "I'm aware of it oldtourman but it didn't run for long and it didn't involve Kerry teams playing in a west or county championship. Why so petty? Are you not hopeful that something productive can be done ? Does it not disappoint you that nothing productive has been posted?"
Well I have been banging about entering amalgamated teams from West Limerick Schools for years but the Munster Colleges Council will not allow it, despite the fact that the Leinster Football Competition had Louth, and Wicklow Colleges teams taking part this year. When WLC partook in the Harty Cup a few years they were quite competitive and of course Waterford Colleges were very successful.
As regards Abbeyfeale, I always quote the case of Glenmore in KK. They were an an out and out Football Club and any attempt to promote hurling in the parish was resolutely resisted by club officials for many decades. Then a teacher from, of all places,Kerry came to the parish and starting with the youngsters he then got around those more adult folk opposing hurling and in about 15 years Glenmore were one of the leading hurling clubs in KK. Mind you football did not exactly die out in Glenmore either.. When Good Counsel New Ross won the Senior Colleges AIF in 93 there 3 or 4 Glenmore lads in the panel. We should never assume that something is not going to work because it has not got off the ground in the past.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 1872 - 19/04/2019 23:20:12    2179629

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "For one who knows so much you seem completely unaware that was a tournament that ran for years involving West Limerick and North Kerry Clubs some years back."
this thread is silly and he is here winding people up......he/she seems to big into hurling yet not one post about limerick hurlers only here going on about west limerick.....don't take the bait.

munsterchamps (Limerick) - Posts: 712 - 20/04/2019 06:10:31    2179633

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Replying To munsterchamps:  "this thread is silly and he is here winding people up......he/she seems to big into hurling yet not one post about limerick hurlers only here going on about west limerick.....don't take the bait."
Munsterchamps I didn't start this thread so no idea what you on about. As for the Harty Cup it's no longer an option that is open to us. Anyway you can't leave it till a player is 17 or 18 to introduce them to top level. The two years that the West were in it they had exceptional players and can't reasonably expect to have exceptional players every year. The senior divisional team is very positive idea. Maybe it would be an easier sell at county board level if this option was only open to the west division and only as a means of addressing the dire state of the game in the west. First positive idea so far. Well done.

Green2debone (Limerick) - Posts: 14 - 20/04/2019 12:41:21    2179657

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Replying To Green2debone:  "Munsterchamps I didn't start this thread so no idea what you on about. As for the Harty Cup it's no longer an option that is open to us. Anyway you can't leave it till a player is 17 or 18 to introduce them to top level. The two years that the West were in it they had exceptional players and can't reasonably expect to have exceptional players every year. The senior divisional team is very positive idea. Maybe it would be an easier sell at county board level if this option was only open to the west division and only as a means of addressing the dire state of the game in the west. First positive idea so far. Well done."
you've ate too many easter eggs....

munsterchamps (Limerick) - Posts: 712 - 20/04/2019 14:51:52    2179665

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