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2019 Division 1 League Final.

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Dublin will win it again ,there starting team isn't much better than the likes of tyrones Galway Mayo's but there squad of players is just too good .
Dublin to win it and makes no difference who is runners up but will prob be Tyrone Galway or mayo

Galwayjoe86 (Galway) - Posts: 232 - 02/04/2019 13:54:01    2177271

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Replying To westkerry:  "No team coming from division 2 will win sam.
Donegal are not even in top 4 let alone contenders."
Well if that's your thinking on it's there's no point in putting Kerry in the top 4. Can't beat Mayo and haven't beaten Dublin in the Championship in a decade.

greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 216 - 02/04/2019 13:59:55    2177272

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I don't mean this to sound as controversial as it may, but is there a possibility that Mayos hunger may be a bit sated after winning a national title yesterday.

I know the narrative will be different and Horabs Comments yesterday indicated that. Still you could see the pleasure, relief and meaning behind the win yesterday and lifting silverware in Croke Park.

They go home to a grateful ecstatic county, weeks of back slapping and well dones for the first national title in 18 years. I'm sure they will have a pints over the next few days.

I'm not saying it will be the case, but will the same hunger and motivation be there. It's a good result first year to have a national title with the young lads coming through and improving on last year. If that effects Mayo in any way and they drop off or the hunger is sated in anyway it can be undermining.

Success brings its own set of challenges and that's a new experience for Mayo, it's a challenge and question now they will have to answer heading into the summer.

Hopefully they can."
Winning the league Username, will hopefully serve as some additional needed insulation against doubts and provide an extra helping of confidence that the team can claim a prize when it's on the line. No more than this. Pints won't be necessary... the ultimate prize is the sole focus and the journey to that is a fairly trying one coming out of Connacht (we've two neighbours who'll happily bring Mayo back to earth with a thump) and the same if we get to the Super 8s. I didn't necessarily buy into the suggestion that Mayo needed to win this league, but now that it has been won I can understand the benefits... it won't be a load to carry, that's for certain.

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 1971 - 02/04/2019 14:31:46    2177286

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Replying To Galwayjoe86:  "Dublin will win it again ,there starting team isn't much better than the likes of tyrones Galway Mayo's but there squad of players is just too good .
Dublin to win it and makes no difference who is runners up but will prob be Tyrone Galway or mayo"
Sorry posted than in the wrong place meant to be in 2019 predictions

Galwayjoe86 (Galway) - Posts: 232 - 02/04/2019 14:38:23    2177288

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Replying To greatpoint:  "Well if that's your thinking on it's there's no point in putting Kerry in the top 4. Can't beat Mayo and haven't beaten Dublin in the Championship in a decade."
Name the last division 2 side to contend for Sam?
Kerry beat Mayo last year in castlebar and where beaten by them for the first time in championship in over 20 years in 2017 so hardly a one side affair now is it.
Top 4 teams are Dublin, Mayo,Tyrone,Galway, followed closely by Kerry and Monaghan.
Donegal fall into about 7/8 after that.

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1118 - 02/04/2019 14:53:26    2177292

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Were talking about lee Keegan here not Dublin players , but if you want to bring up Dublin players no problem. As I've said he's a great player but he's a genius at fouling off the ball."
Listen if you bring up a biased Youtube clip made by Dermo fans then you should be reminded of the counter video.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 6307 - 02/04/2019 15:16:43    2177302

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Replying To westkerry:  "Name the last division 2 side to contend for Sam?
Kerry beat Mayo last year in castlebar and where beaten by them for the first time in championship in over 20 years in 2017 so hardly a one side affair now is it.
Top 4 teams are Dublin, Mayo,Tyrone,Galway, followed closely by Kerry and Monaghan.
Donegal fall into about 7/8 after that."
Good question. We were the last Division 3 team to contend for Sam.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5294 - 02/04/2019 15:29:38    2177304

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Replying To westkerry:  "Name the last division 2 side to contend for Sam?
Kerry beat Mayo last year in castlebar and where beaten by them for the first time in championship in over 20 years in 2017 so hardly a one side affair now is it.
Top 4 teams are Dublin, Mayo,Tyrone,Galway, followed closely by Kerry and Monaghan.
Donegal fall into about 7/8 after that."
Donegal in 2014?

Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 498 - 02/04/2019 15:30:52    2177305

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Replying To Kurt_Angle:  "Donegal in 2014?"
Fair point Kurt you are right but its the exception rather than the norm.

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1118 - 02/04/2019 16:14:04    2177318

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Replying To westkerry:  "Name the last division 2 side to contend for Sam?
Kerry beat Mayo last year in castlebar and where beaten by them for the first time in championship in over 20 years in 2017 so hardly a one side affair now is it.
Top 4 teams are Dublin, Mayo,Tyrone,Galway, followed closely by Kerry and Monaghan.
Donegal fall into about 7/8 after that."
I think you've missed the point

greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 216 - 02/04/2019 16:30:58    2177320

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Replying To greatpoint:  "I think you've missed the point"
Spell it out for me so.

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1118 - 02/04/2019 16:47:27    2177327

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Replying To westkerry:  "Fair point Kurt you are right but its the exception rather than the norm."
Armagh and Kerry were both Div 2 teams when they contested the final but a long time ago! Of course your right it's harder for a Div 2 team to win the All Ireland in the modern era. Last years league had the top 8 teams in the country so something had to give and Donegal fell into Div 2. Since that they won an Ulster title, were unlucky to lose their top forward before the super 8's, hardly got out of first gear yet took their place back in Div 1 this season. By your theory Cavan and Roscommon have a better chance due to fact they played Div 1. The only team with the forwards, experience and defence to push the top two are potentially Donegal but I'd say they lack depth so require everyone fit, one season wintering in Div 2 will have little impact on them! Ironically having an easier winter to get everyone fit might help. Tyrone don't have the forwards, Galway too negative and I don't think Kerry have the experience to win enough big games this season, we seen Mayo's cuteness on Sunday to finish them off.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 430 - 02/04/2019 17:28:16    2177334

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I don't mean this to sound as controversial as it may, but is there a possibility that Mayos hunger may be a bit sated after winning a national title yesterday.

I know the narrative will be different and Horabs Comments yesterday indicated that. Still you could see the pleasure, relief and meaning behind the win yesterday and lifting silverware in Croke Park.

They go home to a grateful ecstatic county, weeks of back slapping and well dones for the first national title in 18 years. I'm sure they will have a pints over the next few days.

I'm not saying it will be the case, but will the same hunger and motivation be there. It's a good result first year to have a national title with the young lads coming through and improving on last year. If that effects Mayo in any way and they drop off or the hunger is sated in anyway it can be undermining.

Success brings its own set of challenges and that's a new experience for Mayo, it's a challenge and question now they will have to answer heading into the summer.

Hopefully they can."
Complete opposite, even Andy Moran said after, that he didnt realise he wanted to win it as much as he did after the match.
The older lads will be even more energised, that they are still capable of winning titles with this team and the newer younger lads will want more of the same.
Hunger will not be effected, if anything they will be more hungry, they won a final in Croke park i dont know how anyone thinks that will have a negative effect

tommy132 (Mayo) - Posts: 313 - 02/04/2019 18:08:20    2177337

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I must be the only one on here who actually thought the Kerry strip looked good, well it grew on me.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 7527 - 02/04/2019 18:52:34    2177348

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Replying To centerfield: "i would rate Michael Donnellan as probably one of the top 5 footballers of the least 25 years. incredible player and unmarkable at his peak. Walsh not even in the same ballpark as him"
Completely disagree on saying Shane Walsh is not in the same ball park, Shane Walsh has the ability to be the greatest footballer in Ireland he has it all unbelievable pace unbelievable skill the man is a ridiculous talent , what's killing him is the stupid tactic Galway use that's not helping his game. But imo Shane Walsh is a much more talented player than Donnellan who was a great player but he didn't have Walsh's ability.
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9506 - 02/04/2019 10:51:34

He's not even the best forward in his own team would put Comer and Burke ahead of him let alone be better than Donnellan

centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 263 - 02/04/2019 19:08:53    2177354

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Replying To sam1884:  "Armagh and Kerry were both Div 2 teams when they contested the final but a long time ago! Of course your right it's harder for a Div 2 team to win the All Ireland in the modern era. Last years league had the top 8 teams in the country so something had to give and Donegal fell into Div 2. Since that they won an Ulster title, were unlucky to lose their top forward before the super 8's, hardly got out of first gear yet took their place back in Div 1 this season. By your theory Cavan and Roscommon have a better chance due to fact they played Div 1. The only team with the forwards, experience and defence to push the top two are potentially Donegal but I'd say they lack depth so require everyone fit, one season wintering in Div 2 will have little impact on them! Ironically having an easier winter to get everyone fit might help. Tyrone don't have the forwards, Galway too negative and I don't think Kerry have the experience to win enough big games this season, we seen Mayo's cuteness on Sunday to finish them off."
Michael Murphy is hitting form too, a very big factor. Plus some Donegal players are saying they're very happy with Stephen Rochford according to the GAA Hour. Travelling up there 3 times a week, would be interested in what Donegal posters think oif him so far.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5294 - 02/04/2019 19:33:26    2177359

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Replying To JuniorBee:  "In fairness to Horan I think it was more of a criticism of Mayo's finisihing througout the game rather a boast. It is something that he knows that they will have to work on for the championship."
Fair enough I confess to just reading the headline. Mayo were deserving winners but Kerry left a lot behind them too. They'll have plenty to work on which is a good place to be at this stage of the year

galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 873 - 02/04/2019 20:35:59    2177367

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Replying To sam1884:  "Armagh and Kerry were both Div 2 teams when they contested the final but a long time ago! Of course your right it's harder for a Div 2 team to win the All Ireland in the modern era. Last years league had the top 8 teams in the country so something had to give and Donegal fell into Div 2. Since that they won an Ulster title, were unlucky to lose their top forward before the super 8's, hardly got out of first gear yet took their place back in Div 1 this season. By your theory Cavan and Roscommon have a better chance due to fact they played Div 1. The only team with the forwards, experience and defence to push the top two are potentially Donegal but I'd say they lack depth so require everyone fit, one season wintering in Div 2 will have little impact on them! Ironically having an easier winter to get everyone fit might help. Tyrone don't have the forwards, Galway too negative and I don't think Kerry have the experience to win enough big games this season, we seen Mayo's cuteness on Sunday to finish them off."
I'd regard that as a very rose tinted assessment of Donegal tbh. They are a coming team no doubt but are they definitely better than Kerry, Monaghan, Tyrone and Galway? Would you put your lottery winning on them beating any of them in a one off game? I certainly wouldn't.

Who are the top two that you mention? Presumably Dublin and Mayo? My own personal view is that a very young and inexperienced Kerry midfield may have made Mayo look a good bit better than they are in recent weeks, and even at that they made hard work of it Sunday. I expect a lot of improvement from Kerry when everyone is back fit. It was only a few weeks ago mayo put in an absolutely dire performance in Croke Park against Dublin and they were supposedly finished. I'm not fully convinced that they'll be the force many now expect this summer. Just my two cents.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1405 - 02/04/2019 20:41:44    2177368

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Not sure the held belief that Kerry have brought through all this new talent is correct, looked to me that Mayo had brought through more at the weekend to be honest and more effective in Ruanne, Borland, Coen, Carr and Tracey, they also used 30+ players over the campaign.

Many of the Kerry players have been there for a couple of seasons and or significantly more, they all aren't Spring chickens by any means and have been there and not done it.

For example the team that played against Kildare in Killarney isn't wildly different from the one at the weekend.

2018
Brian Kelly; Jason Foley, Peter Crowley, Tom O'Sullivan; Paul Murphy, Killian Young, Gavin White; David Moran, Jack Barry; Micheál Burns, Sean O'Shea, Stephen O'Brien; David Clifford, Kieran Donaghy, Paul Geaney.

Subs: Kevin McCarthy for K Young (HT), James O'Donoghue for K Donaghy (HT), Darran O'Sullivan for M Burns (57), Tadhg Morley for J Foley (59), Anthony Maher for S O'Shea (67), Brian Ó Beaglaíoch for G White (inj, 69).

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Shane Ryan; Peter Crowley, Jack Sherwood, Graham O'Sullivan; Gavin Crowley (1-1), Paul Murphy (capt), Tom O'Sullivan; Jack Barry (0-1), Diarmuid O'Connor; Dara Moynihan, Sean O'Shea (0-5), Stephen O'Brien (1-0); David Clifford (0-2), Tommy Walsh, Kevin McCarthy.

Subs: James O'Donoghue for Moynihan (h-t), Jason Foley for Sherwood (39), Mark Griffin for McCarthy (42), Paul Geaney (0-1) for Walsh (54), Gavin O'Brienb for G Crowley (65).

Some lads brought in like Ryan, O Connor, Moynihan are new and a couple of younger lads showed brief cameos in the league. I'm not sure it's the revolution we've been led to believe though. Certainly seems like other counties are doing as much when you look at what other teams have brought through. It's intersetung that Tommy Walsh got an SOS and lads like Jack Sherwood and many more willing for Moran to be fit as soon as possible. Many of that Kerry team have been around the block as much as Mayo.

Worryingly all the same frailties showed again in 2019 as against Mayo in 2017 and Galway and Monaghan in 2018. That's despite the change in regime. But Peter Keane deserves time.

But Kerry will look at it with optimism and will see headroom to improve in some of their young players, I suppose my general point is, is there that much new, I'm not sure there has been the wholesale changes throughout the Kerry team or in their general age profile that justifies the "new young team" the minority are entering their first campaigns. Certainly if you were judging it on Sun, on who is bringing through impactful young players you would point out the Mayo youngsters.

Perhaps I'm being harsh or am missing something, but just striking a talking point, loads on here will have a more intimate knowledge of the Kerry panel then me."
You also forgot to mention tomás O'Sé graham O'Sullivan Conor Geaney Killian Spillane and Gavin O'Brien .

gallarus14 (Kerry) - Posts: 49 - 02/04/2019 21:24:37    2177379

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "I'd regard that as a very rose tinted assessment of Donegal tbh. They are a coming team no doubt but are they definitely better than Kerry, Monaghan, Tyrone and Galway? Would you put your lottery winning on them beating any of them in a one off game? I certainly wouldn't.

Who are the top two that you mention? Presumably Dublin and Mayo? My own personal view is that a very young and inexperienced Kerry midfield may have made Mayo look a good bit better than they are in recent weeks, and even at that they made hard work of it Sunday. I expect a lot of improvement from Kerry when everyone is back fit. It was only a few weeks ago mayo put in an absolutely dire performance in Croke Park against Dublin and they were supposedly finished. I'm not fully convinced that they'll be the force many now expect this summer. Just my two cents."
Gerry, I don't think Mayo will get all that carried away with Sunday. You're right in what you say, PK tried maybe a few too many of the new lads and they couldn't assert themselves in getting the possession necessary to keep the pressure off your defence. The game was enjoyable but both sides were guilty of being sloppy and wasteful, so lots of scope for improvement. Kerry are missing the likes of Donnacha Walsh and players like Donnacha tend to be undervalued until they're no longer there to win dirty ball and link everything up. It takes time to find and develop these types of players, but Kerry have good coaches and time is not an enemy given the age profile. We're all still hanging into the coat tails of the Dubs and the 5 in a row won't have been rocked by the weekend 's proceedings.All both sides can do is look to narrow the gap in company with Galway, Tyrone, Monaghan, Donegal and Meath, whose return to division 1 will hopefully breath life back into a great rivalry.

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 1971 - 02/04/2019 22:53:57    2177395

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