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Replying To candlewax:  "Vishred - When's the last time Mayo or Kerry beat Dublin in the championship? You should be crediting Donegal in 2014 for actually beating Dublin. You realise you can bring as many fans to the game as you like , the fans cant win the game for you. Newcastle United have 52,000 at there home games every week.
Yew-Tree - It's not that they're ignorant. It's just the hard truth. I understand the dedication these lads put in , when the dust settles, they will be known ( Not in Mayo ) but in every other county as bottlers. You might think it's harsh but that's just the way they'e viewed whether people want to admit it or not. If you do something 9 times in a certain period of time and fail each time, the unlucky tag runs a bit dry.
tommy123 - "Mayo fans are overly optimistic and then Galway fans are overly negative" I probably agree with you on this. Take for example, when the Galway hurlers were failing to get over the line , don't think you were seeing Galway for Liam ( insert year ) signs or flags going around Galway. In fact they were getting criticised. You have to remember Galway aren't just happy to beat Mayo. We reached a semi final last year and I would suggest we'll get further than Mayo again this year."
Candle wax - I'll take your bottler jibe as a compliment so because to be a bottler you must have been good enough to win and all mungalway friends tell me were haven't been good enough...you can't have it both ways

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11230 - 29/03/2019 10:46:26    2176159

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Is it a general thing with you Candlewax, that the winner of the AI final are the champions and the losers are bottlers, or is it only Mayo? What name do you have for the other 32 counties (inc. London and NY) who don't even make it to the final... it'd have to be a fairly insulting one? Were Tyrone last year's bottlers, and Kerry bottlers on 23 occasions? What about Galway footballers, who've lost the same number of AI finals as ourselves I believe, 13? Did we bottle it or were the Kerry teams of 04 and 06, the Donegal team of 12 and Dublin all the other years not just that bit better (the 2016 first game being an outlier because no one legislate for own goals)?

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 29/03/2019 14:02:59    2176216

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Replying To Pericles:  "Is it a general thing with you Candlewax, that the winner of the AI final are the champions and the losers are bottlers, or is it only Mayo? What name do you have for the other 32 counties (inc. London and NY) who don't even make it to the final... it'd have to be a fairly insulting one? Were Tyrone last year's bottlers, and Kerry bottlers on 23 occasions? What about Galway footballers, who've lost the same number of AI finals as ourselves I believe, 13? Did we bottle it or were the Kerry teams of 04 and 06, the Donegal team of 12 and Dublin all the other years not just that bit better (the 2016 first game being an outlier because no one legislate for own goals)?"
I'm well aware of the stats. I'm well aware every county cant win the AI every year. If you look back, my fascination is they've lost 9 finals since 1989. Its an extraordinary stat. I'm just asking the question. Why are Mayo people so sensitive to anyone calling this team bottlers? So take this group of players from 2012 onwards , they've lost 3 All Ireland Final's. In my opinion, which I believe many other's also believe , this team can be called bottlers as on three separate occasion's they've failed to get over the line. Mayo have been at the business end for a number of years so they get there fair share of praise but must also be able to take there fair share of criticism.
The backlash from my comments just shows me that the word bottlers or chokers, which is commonly used in all sports clearly doesn't sit well with the people of Mayo.

candlewax (Galway) - Posts: 284 - 29/03/2019 14:21:39    2176219

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Replying To candlewax:  "I'm well aware of the stats. I'm well aware every county cant win the AI every year. If you look back, my fascination is they've lost 9 finals since 1989. Its an extraordinary stat. I'm just asking the question. Why are Mayo people so sensitive to anyone calling this team bottlers? So take this group of players from 2012 onwards , they've lost 3 All Ireland Final's. In my opinion, which I believe many other's also believe , this team can be called bottlers as on three separate occasion's they've failed to get over the line. Mayo have been at the business end for a number of years so they get there fair share of praise but must also be able to take there fair share of criticism.
The backlash from my comments just shows me that the word bottlers or chokers, which is commonly used in all sports clearly doesn't sit well with the people of Mayo."
Bottlers or chokers would be associated with the best team not winning.
Mayo have not been favorites to win any final.
In the finals with Dublin, mayo's defense have played there best games, forwards have played they best they can but they unfortunately arent good enough and thats where the team was lacking.

tommy132 (Mayo) - Posts: 601 - 29/03/2019 14:36:50    2176223

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Replying To tommy132:  "Bottlers or chokers would be associated with the best team not winning.
Mayo have not been favorites to win any final.
In the finals with Dublin, mayo's defense have played there best games, forwards have played they best they can but they unfortunately arent good enough and thats where the team was lacking."
"Bottlers or chokers would be associated with the best team not winning "
That's your opinion , my description of bottlers would be a team that never got over the line. Described in the dictionary as a person(s) with little mental strength or resilience. If you want the tag "best time to not win it? " That would be Mayo.
There , me giving Mayo credit.

candlewax (Galway) - Posts: 284 - 29/03/2019 14:55:23    2176228

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Replying To tommy132:  "Bottlers or chokers would be associated with the best team not winning.
Mayo have not been favorites to win any final.
In the finals with Dublin, mayo's defense have played there best games, forwards have played they best they can but they unfortunately arent good enough and thats where the team was lacking."
Mayos scoring stats /conversion rate in 2017 final game eclipsed all other winning final teams yet the still came up short to a team who had to take that chart to even higher levels to retain Sam.
This thread is about the last 5 years and from what most of us can gather ,game levels have changed .

Vishred (Mayo) - Posts: 303 - 29/03/2019 15:04:14    2176231

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Replying To candlewax:  ""Bottlers or chokers would be associated with the best team not winning "
That's your opinion , my description of bottlers would be a team that never got over the line. Described in the dictionary as a person(s) with little mental strength or resilience. If you want the tag "best time to not win it? " That would be Mayo.
There , me giving Mayo credit."
Mayo did get over the line... just second! Chokers, bottlers etc are insulting terms, not an intelligent explanation for why Mayo didn't win the games they didn't win. It's like calling someone you don't know a boll*x and then asking why they might be upset. By all means, you're entitled to your opinion, but failure to perform would make what you're saying fairer comment. Our lads did perform in 89, 96, 12, 13, 16 and 17, no one performed from either team except Maurice Fitz in 97, and Mayo got it wrong in 04 and 06. We were just not quite good enough on the better days, even though it was thin enough margins, but we'll keep trying....

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 29/03/2019 16:15:31    2176243

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Replying To Pericles:  "Mayo did get over the line... just second! Chokers, bottlers etc are insulting terms, not an intelligent explanation for why Mayo didn't win the games they didn't win. It's like calling someone you don't know a boll*x and then asking why they might be upset. By all means, you're entitled to your opinion, but failure to perform would make what you're saying fairer comment. Our lads did perform in 89, 96, 12, 13, 16 and 17, no one performed from either team except Maurice Fitz in 97, and Mayo got it wrong in 04 and 06. We were just not quite good enough on the better days, even though it was thin enough margins, but we'll keep trying...."
"failure to perform would make what you're saying fairer comment"

So if I just said they fail to perform on the big day instead?

I would say that about Tyrone in last year's final, it's the fact that it happens to Mayo so regularly that would concern me if I were a Mayo fan.
Bringing it back to my initial point which is, I still don't understand why the word bottlers bother Mayo folk so much.

candlewax (Galway) - Posts: 284 - 29/03/2019 16:24:55    2176247

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Replying To candlewax:  ""failure to perform would make what you're saying fairer comment"

So if I just said they fail to perform on the big day instead?

I would say that about Tyrone in last year's final, it's the fact that it happens to Mayo so regularly that would concern me if I were a Mayo fan.
Bringing it back to my initial point which is, I still don't understand why the word bottlers bother Mayo folk so much."
That's fine if you don't understand candlewax... there's a lot of it about.

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 29/03/2019 18:12:06    2176270

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Replying To candlewax:  ""failure to perform would make what you're saying fairer comment"

So if I just said they fail to perform on the big day instead?

I would say that about Tyrone in last year's final, it's the fact that it happens to Mayo so regularly that would concern me if I were a Mayo fan.
Bringing it back to my initial point which is, I still don't understand why the word bottlers bother Mayo folk so much."
A bottler to me is someone who gives up too easily or doesent leave everything on the field of play....I wouldn't class this particular Mayo team as not giving it their all or leaving everything out there....the 2017 final was the most intense game I ever witnessed and players, experts and fans all agreed.

Your totally incorrect in calling this Mayo team
Bottlers.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11230 - 29/03/2019 18:27:50    2176272

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How did this discussion "The Last 5 Years In Football" turn into a Mayo bashing session. I suppose some people are obsessed with us.

cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 454 - 29/03/2019 19:18:45    2176281

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One at a time lads.
Let's hope Mayo beat Kerry this weekend and win Sam in the summer, then you'll finally be able to shake off the bottler tag.

candlewax (Galway) - Posts: 284 - 29/03/2019 20:28:30    2176291

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Replying To yew_tree:  "A bottler to me is someone who gives up too easily or doesent leave everything on the field of play....I wouldn't class this particular Mayo team as not giving it their all or leaving everything out there....the 2017 final was the most intense game I ever witnessed and players, experts and fans all agreed.

Your totally incorrect in calling this Mayo team
Bottlers."
That's for sure , this mayo team can never be accused of being bottlers.

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 29/03/2019 23:51:14    2176323

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Replying To superbluedub:  "That's for sure , this mayo team can never be accused of being bottlers."
Superbluedub - No doubt you were smiling while typing this.

candlewax (Galway) - Posts: 284 - 30/03/2019 08:38:56    2176345

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Replying To yew_tree:  "A bottler to me is someone who gives up too easily or doesent leave everything on the field of play....I wouldn't class this particular Mayo team as not giving it their all or leaving everything out there....the 2017 final was the most intense game I ever witnessed and players, experts and fans all agreed.

Your totally incorrect in calling this Mayo team
Bottlers."
If a chap fails to grasp the concept of a simple term like "bottlers" i wouldn't be paying too much attention to his opinion on anything to be on honest, least of all his take on one of the best and most consistent teams in the country in the last nine years..

cuttothebone (Kildare) - Posts: 163 - 30/03/2019 10:55:54    2176361

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Replying To candlewax:  "Superbluedub - No doubt you were smiling while typing this."
Ah, you're some boy candlewax... a mind reader as well as having the ability to use adjectives which by your own admission you can't understand. Is there no beginning to your talents?

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 30/03/2019 11:04:57    2176362

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Replying To yew_tree:  "A bottler to me is someone who gives up too easily or doesent leave everything on the field of play....I wouldn't class this particular Mayo team as not giving it their all or leaving everything out there....the 2017 final was the most intense game I ever witnessed and players, experts and fans all agreed.

Your totally incorrect in calling this Mayo team
Bottlers."
This mayo team are the complete opposite of bottlers. The courage they show year after year is outstanding this galway man is making a tool of himself

Northsidegaels (Meath) - Posts: 237 - 30/03/2019 11:47:26    2176366

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Replying To cuttothebone:  "If a chap fails to grasp the concept of a simple term like "bottlers" i wouldn't be paying too much attention to his opinion on anything to be on honest, least of all his take on one of the best and most consistent teams in the country in the last nine years.."
Are you assuming my gender?
Yes you are right. They are certainly consistent.

candlewax (Galway) - Posts: 284 - 30/03/2019 11:52:14    2176368

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Replying To Pericles:  "Ah, you're some boy candlewax... a mind reader as well as having the ability to use adjectives which by your own admission you can't understand. Is there no beginning to your talents?"
You have proven my point beautifully. Very sensitive

candlewax (Galway) - Posts: 284 - 30/03/2019 11:53:41    2176369

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Replying To Pericles:  "Ah, you're some boy candlewax... a mind reader as well as having the ability to use adjectives which by your own admission you can't understand. Is there no beginning to your talents?"
The 2013 pearse stadium massacre must still cut deep.

Vishred (Mayo) - Posts: 303 - 30/03/2019 12:00:00    2176372

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