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Donegal's Motion Fails

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Replying To noelnyc:  "There is no argument the fact is how can your home venue and a neutral playing ground be the same venue? Forget the revenue issue there are a number of grounds that could accommodate Dublin v whoever in the Suprt 8's. Fairness that's all."
Who are you talking to?

You're preaching to the converted

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 28/02/2019 21:41:44    2169000

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I think Croker should be our away venue too, especially where Kerry are involved, I hear all the time from the former players that they would rather play Dublin there than anywhere :D

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8585 - 28/02/2019 22:12:59    2169008

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Motion was just badly worded ,all that was needed was one home game one away game and one game in neutral venue , with home and neutral being different venues

culmore (None) - Posts: 1398 - 28/02/2019 22:14:21    2169009

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Replying To culmore:  "Motion was just badly worded ,all that was needed was one home game one away game and one game in neutral venue , with home and neutral being different venues"
That wouldn't have passed either - Sean Kelly said himself that using Parnell Park as Dublin's home venue to host Mayo would be nonsensical with Croke park lying empty 2 miles over the road.

It should be one home, one away and one neutral, with the stipulation that the neutral venue cannot be in the county of either competing team.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 28/02/2019 23:12:37    2169024

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Replying To Richieq:  "This is very true, the end of this has not been reached and I do see change occurring sooner rather than later. Meath or Kildare did not agree to the motion due to possibly having to nominate Croke Park as a home venue in the next couple of years as their own grounds are redeveloped but it's not the picking of a home ground it's the third game the "neutral" game that's the issue and in reality it shouldn't need debate, it shouldn't need a motion, the CCCC if they had any fairness or gumption at all would fix Dublin's third game away from Croker, it's so simple and Dublin wouldn't argue one bit. Clones, Castlebar, Portlaoise, Thurles, Limerick etc etc all capable of holding the Dubs but yet the suits won't do it, they will ignore the obvious solution and carry on as usual. The one really disappointing thing has been the reaction of the hierarchy of Dublin GAA who are believing that they are genuinely a cut above everyone else right now, the response of their chairman to the notion of building a new home ground for Dublin smacked of pure arrogance and as for Costello, well his arrogance has been known for some time. Both men are creating a poor image of Dublin in my view and are doing a disservice to the genuine Dublin supporter who is worth his salt to the GAA"
"Fix Dublin's third game away from Croker, it's so simple & Dublin wouldn't argue one bit", did you not hear John Costello's comments at Congress, Dublin were never going to agree to anything other than playing both matches at Croke Park.

Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 409 - 28/02/2019 23:38:50    2169028

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Replying To Uimhir.a.3.:  ""Fix Dublin's third game away from Croker, it's so simple & Dublin wouldn't argue one bit", did you not hear John Costello's comments at Congress, Dublin were never going to agree to anything other than playing both matches at Croke Park."
Exactly, neither game was ever being moved no matter how clever the motion was. Those lucrative corporate packages mean keeping everything they can in Croke Park regardless. I acknowledge most Dublin fans agree it's not ideal and I would blame the GAA who have gone completely money mad despite sitting on a mountain of cash.

Hard to see how it will be resolved because of the Dubs try to build their own 30k stadium which I'm sure the fans would love, the GAA will put every obstacle they can in their path. Croker would be just about obsolete without them.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 01/03/2019 09:51:08    2169060

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"Fix Dublin's third game away from Croker, it's so simple & Dublin wouldn't argue one bit", did you not hear John Costello's comments at Congress, Dublin were never going to agree to anything other than playing both matches at Croke Park.
Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 344 - 2/28/19 11:38:50 PM

Dublin will play where they're told to play by the GAA.

If everyone agreed that Dublin should play all their matches on the pitch on Inis Oírr there is nothing that Dublin can do about it, and rightly so.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13704 - 01/03/2019 10:02:38    2169064

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Replying To Uimhir.a.3.:  ""Fix Dublin's third game away from Croker, it's so simple & Dublin wouldn't argue one bit", did you not hear John Costello's comments at Congress, Dublin were never going to agree to anything other than playing both matches at Croke Park."
You do realise that if this had been the motion put forward and it had been voted in favour of then it wouldn't have mattered what Costello said or did. Dublin play where the other counties tell them to play. The other counties have voted and it's now time to suck it up. A missed opportunity for everyone, Dublin included. It would have been great to be back on the road at a big neutral venue and bring the Hill back on tour but unfortunately we have been denied that pleasure. We can't even play our home games at our real home anymore. It's all about the Dubs generating money for the other counties it seems.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 01/03/2019 10:03:14    2169065

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Of course the Dubs playing in Croke park is a massive advantage - anyone who says otherwise is a fool (don't get me wrong obviously they are a super super team and a joy to watch) . It's no coincidence that the last 2 losses they've had were played outside of croke park (I don't know how many times they've lost in the last 4 years but i can probably count it on 1 hand) . This whole argument is down to revenue - the GAA have decided it more important to make money than have any semblance of fair play for 'everyone' (we're only talking about ONE GAME in the championship, that all!) Fair in Fair..

twbm (Clare) - Posts: 23 - 01/03/2019 10:20:15    2169071

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Replying To culmore:  "Motion was just badly worded ,all that was needed was one home game one away game and one game in neutral venue , with home and neutral being different venues"
"Motion was badly worded", did you even read it, tell us what part was badly worded, fellas latching on to the badly worded line of spin when they haven't even read it.

Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 409 - 01/03/2019 10:36:03    2169075

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "The motion proposed was put forward with little thought. It was worded incorrectly. But this has to be revisited next year until the correct result comes to pass. One home game, one away and one neutral. It is the easiest thing to solve but the dinosaurs running the show can't grasp it.

Dublin didn't sell out Nowlan Park so people can spare me the nonsense about the thousands who will miss out."
This motion won't be revisited next year, most on here unaware of the Rule 3.4 [h] of the official guide states " A motion declared not to have received one third of the votes at Congress may not be tabled on a Congress agenda for the subsequent three years unless the management committee allows it in exceptional circumstances". So even any rewording of this motion won't be allowed back for three years & given that the GAA hierarchy canvassed so vigorously & got an ex President to denigrate the motion, it is highly unlikely the management committee will overturn this. There is a precedent for this where motions that were reworded but had the motion was of a similar vein have been stopped in the past. Hopefully one of the counties who voted with the GAA top table will end up playing Dublin twice in Croke Park this year.

Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 409 - 01/03/2019 10:50:31    2169080

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This utter nonsense about the 'wording of the motion' is pure BS and everyone knows it. How anyone could object to fairness across the board in term of playing venues is beyond belief. The democracy of the GAA is in tatters after that decision because nobody truly believes that decision wasn't choreographed behind closed doors.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1319 - 01/03/2019 11:02:32    2169084

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Replying To Uimhir.a.3.:  "This motion won't be revisited next year, most on here unaware of the Rule 3.4 [h
of the official guide states " A motion declared not to have received one third of the votes at Congress may not be tabled on a Congress agenda for the subsequent three years unless the management committee allows it in exceptional circumstances". So even any rewording of this motion won't be allowed back for three years & given that the GAA hierarchy canvassed so vigorously & got an ex President to denigrate the motion, it is highly unlikely the management committee will overturn this. There is a precedent for this where motions that were reworded but had the motion was of a similar vein have been stopped in the past. Hopefully one of the counties who voted with the GAA top table will end up playing Dublin twice in Croke Park this year."]Isn't it most likely one of Galway, Mayo or Roscommon that will have the two away games? Iirc the Connaught champions and Leinster champs will be in the same group and will play in Croker. There is little incentive to win the Connaught championship this year.

And I agree it's done and dusted until the next review of the championship structure.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 01/03/2019 11:12:38    2169091

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Replying To Uimhir.a.3.:  "This motion won't be revisited next year, most on here unaware of the Rule 3.4 [h
of the official guide states " A motion declared not to have received one third of the votes at Congress may not be tabled on a Congress agenda for the subsequent three years unless the management committee allows it in exceptional circumstances". So even any rewording of this motion won't be allowed back for three years & given that the GAA hierarchy canvassed so vigorously & got an ex President to denigrate the motion, it is highly unlikely the management committee will overturn this. There is a precedent for this where motions that were reworded but had the motion was of a similar vein have been stopped in the past. Hopefully one of the counties who voted with the GAA top table will end up playing Dublin twice in Croke Park this year."]Then a different motion will simply be put forward. .change the wording and you change the motion.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 01/03/2019 13:25:18    2169149

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Replying To Uimhir.a.3.:  "This motion won't be revisited next year, most on here unaware of the Rule 3.4 [h
of the official guide states " A motion declared not to have received one third of the votes at Congress may not be tabled on a Congress agenda for the subsequent three years unless the management committee allows it in exceptional circumstances". So even any rewording of this motion won't be allowed back for three years & given that the GAA hierarchy canvassed so vigorously & got an ex President to denigrate the motion, it is highly unlikely the management committee will overturn this. There is a precedent for this where motions that were reworded but had the motion was of a similar vein have been stopped in the past. Hopefully one of the counties who voted with the GAA top table will end up playing Dublin twice in Croke Park this year."]It will be a totally different proposal. People claiming the wording is a minor issue are wrong. This can be followed through til the end.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7885 - 01/03/2019 15:07:07    2169180

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Lads, not trying to diss your points but if you go back over the recent history of Congress you will see where motions which were reworded or rejigged but we're related to the previous motion never got back to Congress even after the 3 year rule, this is dead in the water, if you don't think so go back & look at motions that similarly never made it. Congress is a law unto itself & anyone who has ever tried to put a motion through at county level first through to Congress will tell you of the goings on. Even the sine fada has ruled out motions.

Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 409 - 01/03/2019 23:40:30    2169312

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Wooly v Séan Kelly on Donegal's motion.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7335 - 03/03/2019 13:17:19    2169682

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I think everybody should read Kenny Archer's article in Wednesday's Irish News.

gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1056 - 14/03/2019 21:56:02    2172291

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