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Replying To Ulsterman: "Spot on and Kevin McStay voiced the view of many Gaels when he said this was just plain unfairness. It's ALL about money and keeping the Dubs on side. It's no wonder crowds are falling and apathy and disinterest are setting in. I have never been as detached from the Association as now. Last week's HQ county by county financial breakdown with Dublin so far ahead and now this. The GAA is being run solely for the benefit of one county and this will eventually destroy the Association. The GAA and Dubs say they get so much money because of population and then the stats about the pittance Antrim and Belfast receives blows that excuse totally out of the water." On side of what exactly?
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 23/02/2019 18:19:17
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As a Kerryman and being completely selfish, I'm more than happy to play Dublin all they want to in our national stadium of Croke Park and I actually prefer this. Moreover, Kerry have zero fear of playing Dublin in Croke Park or wherever but that's not what this issue is about. Although it would be fun if Dublin came down to Killarney some summer for a high stakes super 8 match (perhaps some day), and i still have those great memories of when we played the Dubs in Semple Stadium for a quarter final.
Leaving county allegiance aside and taking a helicopter view here, all this is really about money. 'Ah think, about the poor people and children who can't see the game' - really? How stupid does Costello think people are? Obviously, quite stupid. This is all about bringing more money in for the GAA at the end of the day and nothing to do with fairness.
At least a true blue Dub like Paddy Cullen can admit it's an unfair advantage and I think most decent and honest people can all agree it's an unfair advantage, despite the crowing on these boards. I think Mayo's Kevin McStay put it well.
McStay dismissed the notion that playing a big championship game in the 9,000-capacity Parnell Park would see too many supporters miss out.
"What happens if Halifax Town are playing Manchester United in round six of the FA Cup?" he argued. "There's live TV now. Nobody will not get to see the game."
Your right Kevin but think of all that money that would be missed out on. Greed is number one and fairness is an after thought.
PS: Congress, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, to hell with fairness, vote against this and we'll look after you, sort you out with a grant or what not.
Kingdomson (Kerry) - Posts: 244 - 23/02/2019 18:44:05
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Replying To jimbodub: "On side of what exactly?" I just don't believe the Association wants to annoy or make an enemy of Dublin in any shape, way or form. Then there's hardly any chance of that when so many Dubs hold high positions within the GAA. I warned about this 3/4 years ago but was ridiculed as bitter, jealous and full of sour grapes. I'm not, I've nothing against Dublin as a county or their fans but this is now The Emperor's New Clothes. If the GAA doesn't cease this one county monopoly the Association will wither, fade and become irrelevant as people drift away in a tide of boredom, disinterest and resentment.
Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9697 - 23/02/2019 18:46:21
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Replying To Kingdomson: "As a Kerryman and being completely selfish, I'm more than happy to play Dublin all they want to in our national stadium of Croke Park and I actually prefer this. Moreover, Kerry have zero fear of playing Dublin in Croke Park or wherever but that's not what this issue is about. Although it would be fun if Dublin came down to Killarney some summer for a high stakes super 8 match (perhaps some day), and i still have those great memories of when we played the Dubs in Semple Stadium for a quarter final.
Leaving county allegiance aside and taking a helicopter view here, all this is really about money. 'Ah think, about the poor people and children who can't see the game' - really? How stupid does Costello think people are? Obviously, quite stupid. This is all about bringing more money in for the GAA at the end of the day and nothing to do with fairness.
At least a true blue Dub like Paddy Cullen can admit it's an unfair advantage and I think most decent and honest people can all agree it's an unfair advantage, despite the crowing on these boards. I think Mayo's Kevin McStay put it well.
McStay dismissed the notion that playing a big championship game in the 9,000-capacity Parnell Park would see too many supporters miss out.
"What happens if Halifax Town are playing Manchester United in round six of the FA Cup?" he argued. "There's live TV now. Nobody will not get to see the game."
Your right Kevin but think of all that money that would be missed out on. Greed is number one and fairness is an after thought.
PS: Congress, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, to hell with fairness, vote against this and we'll look after you, sort you out with a grant or what not." Such a spot on post.
Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 409 - 23/02/2019 19:13:09
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This was the result the GAA needed and it's really no surprise at all. GAA HQ would have canvassed beforehand you can be sure. The financial and logistical implications of the motion carrying were too great for this to be left down to a democratic process.
And no, I have no proof, but I have a lot of experience of how these things work generally speaking.
Sean Kelly speaking out against is no surprise he was one of the main players in ensuring Dublin got their house in order back in the 00's, and is a former GAA president. I honestly don't think he wears a Kerry hat on these matters.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 23/02/2019 19:14:54
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Agree 100%.
I raised this issue last year & got dogs abuse from a few myopic posters who accused me of anti Dublin bias when nothing could be further from the truth.
There is a small rump of posters on HS who couldn't care less about the GAA as long as their county is doing well. They don't seem to realise that there is little kudos in their county winning all round them if that success is partly down to the authorities scattering flowers in front of them as they go.
Just let me hear no weasel words about sportsmanship & fair play in flowery ads telling me that I should be supporting my county when they have done everything in their power to stack the deck against us.
As for the delegates who voted against the Donegal motion, I have nothing but contempt for them.
MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 23/02/2019 19:25:23
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League of Ireland season started last week. Think ill follow that from now on, some semblance of a level playing field there.
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Replying To KildareKelly: "100% agree the neutral games should be outside Croke Park.....but Dublin having 2 games in Croke Park isn't even the main problem for me.....it's 2 other teams having to play in a mostly empty stadium devoid of atmosphere. Kildare vs Monaghan in Super 8s last year was an awful experience. Kildare vs Galway in Newbridge was a great night. We lost both games but a world of difference in entertainment & enjoyment." Not disagreeing but what alternative would you go for? Every team plays home or away based on a random draw but guaranteed at least 1 home game? A super 10's with 2 groups of 5? So 4 matches each, 2 home 2 away?
And no team should be allowed nominate Croker as their home venue. Build a suitable stadium for your needs or tough luck to your fans who miss out.
Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 23/02/2019 20:49:46
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Replying To MuckrossHead: "Agree 100%.
I raised this issue last year & got dogs abuse from a few myopic posters who accused me of anti Dublin bias when nothing could be further from the truth.
There is a small rump of posters on HS who couldn't care less about the GAA as long as their county is doing well. They don't seem to realise that there is little kudos in their county winning all round them if that success is partly down to the authorities scattering flowers in front of them as they go.
Just let me hear no weasel words about sportsmanship & fair play in flowery ads telling me that I should be supporting my county when they have done everything in their power to stack the deck against us.
As for the delegates who voted against the Donegal motion, I have nothing but contempt for them." Well said muck and I agree 100%.
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Replying To HEREBENJI: "League of Ireland season started last week. Think ill follow that from now on, some semblance of a level playing field there." Okay bye, All the best
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 23/02/2019 21:10:26
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A motion was proposed last year to give greater transparacy in the voting process. It meant everyone could see how their county delegate voted on each proposal. The motion was defeated by delegates 83% - 17%. Says it all really.
bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 23/02/2019 21:15:07
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The Donegal motion was wrong to begin with. As it currently stands, teams in the Super 8 play one home game, one away game, and one Croke Park game. The Donegal motion sought to prevent Dublin from playing their home game in Croke Park. I feel this was completely wrong to be honest and here's why.
Croke Park is Dublin's home ground. Dublin jackeens can rattle on all they like about Parnell Park, but Croke Park is Dublin's home. There are Dublin fans I know who've never set foot in Parnell Park. The motion should have sought to challenge the neutrality the GAA brass and Dublin claim Croke Park is. Croke Park is NOT a neutral ground for a team playing Dublin.
Motion 39 should have been to allow Dublin play their home games wherever they like: Croke Park, Parnell Park or wherever they want. However, the alleged neutral game for Dublin in the Super 8 should NEVER be in Croke Park. If they are going to play Donegal it should be in Clones, if playing Kerry in Thurles, etc. Not Croke Park.
Donegal tried to continue the lie that Croke Park is okay as a neutral ground and then say they shouldn't be able to play at home there. A home team should be allowed play their home game wherever they like (same for Waterford, they should have been allowed play in Nowlan Park or Fraher Field or Walsh Park last year). But a neutral game, a neutral game should always be in a neutral ground roughly halfway between the two teams, and NOT in a ground in one side's home county.
And as a side note, I think the idea that if a group had say, Cork, Kerry, Mayo and Galway in it, that those teams should travel to Dublin to play against each other is absolutely stupid. Making fans travel hours to a game in a half empty stadium. Nonsense.
icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2550 - 23/02/2019 21:21:27
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It's funny to hear some culchies posters talking about "it's all about money" when quite ironically it's all they ever obsess about.
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 23/02/2019 21:22:21
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Replying To Jack_Goff: "Not disagreeing but what alternative would you go for? Every team plays home or away based on a random draw but guaranteed at least 1 home game? A super 10's with 2 groups of 5? So 4 matches each, 2 home 2 away?
And no team should be allowed nominate Croker as their home venue. Build a suitable stadium for your needs or tough luck to your fans who miss out." One home, one away, one neutral as....but state the neutral cannot be Croker. Accept though that Croker is the home venue for the Dubs.
KildareKelly (Kildare) - Posts: 593 - 23/02/2019 21:27:26
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Neutral venue should never be the home venue of one county. Motion that wad put forward was badly thought out.
Too muck obsession in gaa circles about CP. Unless it has 50000+ it is a really dead venue. It is just too big for most games. Especially double headers. Technically you have 50000 people but throughout the game you have kettle shuffling in and out. No atmosphere. Use provincial venues where appropriate.
Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1826 - 23/02/2019 21:41:50
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Replying To icehonesty: "The Donegal motion was wrong to begin with. As it currently stands, teams in the Super 8 play one home game, one away game, and one Croke Park game. The Donegal motion sought to prevent Dublin from playing their home game in Croke Park. I feel this was completely wrong to be honest and here's why.
Croke Park is Dublin's home ground. Dublin jackeens can rattle on all they like about Parnell Park, but Croke Park is Dublin's home. There are Dublin fans I know who've never set foot in Parnell Park. The motion should have sought to challenge the neutrality the GAA brass and Dublin claim Croke Park is. Croke Park is NOT a neutral ground for a team playing Dublin.
Motion 39 should have been to allow Dublin play their home games wherever they like: Croke Park, Parnell Park or wherever they want. However, the alleged neutral game for Dublin in the Super 8 should NEVER be in Croke Park. If they are going to play Donegal it should be in Clones, if playing Kerry in Thurles, etc. Not Croke Park.
Donegal tried to continue the lie that Croke Park is okay as a neutral ground and then say they shouldn't be able to play at home there. A home team should be allowed play their home game wherever they like (same for Waterford, they should have been allowed play in Nowlan Park or Fraher Field or Walsh Park last year). But a neutral game, a neutral game should always be in a neutral ground roughly halfway between the two teams, and NOT in a ground in one side's home county.
And as a side note, I think the idea that if a group had say, Cork, Kerry, Mayo and Galway in it, that those teams should travel to Dublin to play against each other is absolutely stupid. Making fans travel hours to a game in a half empty stadium. Nonsense." Couldn't agree more, motion was doomed from day one.
Also agree about making counties travel to Dublin. We played Galway last year in a near empty Croke Park. Crazy. We probably would have filled the Gaelic Grounds between us.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 23/02/2019 21:45:02
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Replying To icehonesty: "The Donegal motion was wrong to begin with. As it currently stands, teams in the Super 8 play one home game, one away game, and one Croke Park game. The Donegal motion sought to prevent Dublin from playing their home game in Croke Park. I feel this was completely wrong to be honest and here's why.
Croke Park is Dublin's home ground. Dublin jackeens can rattle on all they like about Parnell Park, but Croke Park is Dublin's home. There are Dublin fans I know who've never set foot in Parnell Park. The motion should have sought to challenge the neutrality the GAA brass and Dublin claim Croke Park is. Croke Park is NOT a neutral ground for a team playing Dublin.
Motion 39 should have been to allow Dublin play their home games wherever they like: Croke Park, Parnell Park or wherever they want. However, the alleged neutral game for Dublin in the Super 8 should NEVER be in Croke Park. If they are going to play Donegal it should be in Clones, if playing Kerry in Thurles, etc. Not Croke Park.
Donegal tried to continue the lie that Croke Park is okay as a neutral ground and then say they shouldn't be able to play at home there. A home team should be allowed play their home game wherever they like (same for Waterford, they should have been allowed play in Nowlan Park or Fraher Field or Walsh Park last year). But a neutral game, a neutral game should always be in a neutral ground roughly halfway between the two teams, and NOT in a ground in one side's home county.
And as a side note, I think the idea that if a group had say, Cork, Kerry, Mayo and Galway in it, that those teams should travel to Dublin to play against each other is absolutely stupid. Making fans travel hours to a game in a half empty stadium. Nonsense." 100% agree with everything you say. The motion was completely wrong.
KildareKelly (Kildare) - Posts: 593 - 23/02/2019 21:47:38
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Replying To icehonesty: "The Donegal motion was wrong to begin with. As it currently stands, teams in the Super 8 play one home game, one away game, and one Croke Park game. The Donegal motion sought to prevent Dublin from playing their home game in Croke Park. I feel this was completely wrong to be honest and here's why.
Croke Park is Dublin's home ground. Dublin jackeens can rattle on all they like about Parnell Park, but Croke Park is Dublin's home. There are Dublin fans I know who've never set foot in Parnell Park. The motion should have sought to challenge the neutrality the GAA brass and Dublin claim Croke Park is. Croke Park is NOT a neutral ground for a team playing Dublin.
Motion 39 should have been to allow Dublin play their home games wherever they like: Croke Park, Parnell Park or wherever they want. However, the alleged neutral game for Dublin in the Super 8 should NEVER be in Croke Park. If they are going to play Donegal it should be in Clones, if playing Kerry in Thurles, etc. Not Croke Park.
Donegal tried to continue the lie that Croke Park is okay as a neutral ground and then say they shouldn't be able to play at home there. A home team should be allowed play their home game wherever they like (same for Waterford, they should have been allowed play in Nowlan Park or Fraher Field or Walsh Park last year). But a neutral game, a neutral game should always be in a neutral ground roughly halfway between the two teams, and NOT in a ground in one side's home county.
And as a side note, I think the idea that if a group had say, Cork, Kerry, Mayo and Galway in it, that those teams should travel to Dublin to play against each other is absolutely stupid. Making fans travel hours to a game in a half empty stadium. Nonsense." I agree 100 % well said.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 23/02/2019 21:53:52
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Well it was a nice idea but county boards around the country, for their own mysterious reasons, have decided to do what the scots did at the ballot boxes over the years and vote to stay with the union. Hard to fathom, but if u were to guess, sponsors around the country may have been sent on wee errands to make sure their respective counties didnt abstain. We will never know for sure but there is a tail wagging the dog somewhere in hq.
Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 23/02/2019 22:05:02
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The question has to be asked why Dublin haven't developed a proper stadium of their own
Croke park is our national stadium after all not dublins
when you consider a lot of countys have 1 or 2 stadiums that can hold 15,000 to 20, 000 crowd
surely you think Dublin with all the money that's there would have a stadium of at least 30,000
its hard to believe this is the situation
rhudson (Galway) - Posts: 1478 - 23/02/2019 22:52:05
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