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Meath V Tipperary NFL Rd 1

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Replying To bobkarlgees:  "If the ball was touched on the ground its only a 13 meter free. As was judged to be the case in second half when That time Tipp butchered there goal chance and we where supposed to have touched the ball on ground. And I am not sure we did touch on there ground either. The penalty is on the Meath app if you want to check it Ethan Devine is supposed to have tripped. I looked at it, its harsh enough decision. In hindsight I am glad they got they got the penalty, it made a game of it."
Yeah I know what you mean, it made a game of it alright. and got to say it was a well taken penalty and good attempt at saving it from colgan, but nothing he could do about it. All that been said imagine that happening up in donegal or at home to Kildare or Armagh. If I could see it in stands why couldn't ref linesman or umpires have a word, also maybe you might know, the rule on this one. the late challenge on Brennan I think it was ref didn't see it, just afterwards gave free to tipp , lineman did his job in fairness pointed it out to ref, tipp player got yellow card, but free was given regardless, maybe it's old age but should that not have been a throw up ball??

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 14857 - 28/01/2019 10:00:26    2160263

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Yeah I know what you mean, it made a game of it alright. and got to say it was a well taken penalty and good attempt at saving it from colgan, but nothing he could do about it. All that been said imagine that happening up in donegal or at home to Kildare or Armagh. If I could see it in stands why couldn't ref linesman or umpires have a word, also maybe you might know, the rule on this one. the late challenge on Brennan I think it was ref didn't see it, just afterwards gave free to tipp , lineman did his job in fairness pointed it out to ref, tipp player got yellow card, but free was given regardless, maybe it's old age but should that not have been a throw up ball??"
I not sure, but I think they are regarded as separate incidents, So Tipp got a yellow and game continued. I heard Liam Kearns saying that, Tipp where missing 7 backs plus Michael Quinlivian. So it seems it was a really depleted Tipp team. And they is none of coming back soon so they could struggle,

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 958 - 28/01/2019 11:24:47    2160320

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Highlights of this game TG4 tonight at 8.

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 958 - 28/01/2019 12:14:47    2160343

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Replying To bobkarlgees:  "If the ball was touched on the ground its only a 13 meter free. As was judged to be the case in second half when That time Tipp butchered there goal chance and we where supposed to have touched the ball on ground. And I am not sure we did touch on there ground either. The penalty is on the Meath app if you want to check it Ethan Devine is supposed to have tripped. I looked at it, its harsh enough decision. In hindsight I am glad they got they got the penalty, it made a game of it."
Any foul in the small "square" is a penalty. A technician foul, i.e. touching the ball on the ground in the larger area is a 13 m free while a foul on a player is a penalty.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 474 - 28/01/2019 13:31:01    2160381

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Replying To Furlong1949:  "Tipp are missing players, but so are we . Thats life for most teams outside the top division. Daniel Flynn is missing for kildare. A serious talent. Meath best forward, top scorer for the last two years , Donal Lenihan, who led Dunboyne to senior title, has gone travelling for the year. Padraig Mckeever the best club forward in Meath football for the last three year along with lenihan is also not available, as well as Eamon Wallace ( hes gone travelling). Meaths two best midfielders , Harry Rooney ( not available) and Ronan Jones ( college in USA) are also not available. Thats why McEntee had to bring 9 new players onto the Meath panel for the Byrne cup this spring. But thats life for teams in the country as a whole . There is a player drain. Every team in division will be missing players this spring if it follows recent years patterns.

Throughout division 4 3 and 2, players are leaving panels for different reasons at a rate we have never witnessed before in football in recent years. From Cork to Derry from Wexford to Galway, the number of players leaving panels is unprecedented and very worrying. Players rarely left panels 20 or so years ago. But with the introduction of the qualifiers in the early 00s, we saw players from div 3 and div 4 teams walking away when there team was beaten in the championship and their county undertook the qualifer route. The GAA didnt care. But it set a dangerous precident. For the first time ever many players would leave a panel ( many of them went to US for the summer ) in the championship, in the summer. In the last 5 or 6 years we have seen players leaving panels for many reasons in strong traditional counties .

Counties like Cork Down and Meath are all seen a turnover of their panels that were unimaginable 10 years. Its not just division 2, 3 and 4 teams. Some division 1 teams are also facing the same issue. We are now seen players leaving at a level for different reasons we have never seen before in the game nationwide .

Here are stats below to explain the situation.

1 ESRI published a government report on gaa player welfare last year. They found there was a player drain. Over 30% of inter county players who played in 2016 didnt return to play for their county in 2017.
2 Irish Independent also did a study on GAA panels last year. There findings were simlar to ESRI findings. The Irish Indo found that over 30% of inter county players who played in 2017 did not return for 2018 league.

3 Here are some of the stats from Irish Indo study
Below r the number of players who played in the league and championship in 2017 for their county but did not resurface in 2018 league for different reasons


Derry 19 players
Cork 18 players
Wexford 17 players
Offaly 16 players
Meath 16 players
Wicklow 15 players
Antrim 14 players
London 14 players
louth 14 players
Leitrim 13 players
Westmeath 13 players
Sligo 13 players
longford 12 players
Down 12 players
Roscommon 12 players
limerick 12 players
Kerry 11 players
Laois 11 players
Clare 10 players
Cavan 10 players
Galway 10 players
Armagh 10 players
kildare 9 players
Dublin 6 players
Donegal 6 players
Mayo 6 players
Monaghan 5 players
Tyrone 4 players

4 Of the 1040 players nationwide who saw action in the league or championship in 2017, 366 did not played in 2018 league.

3 counties who have the lowest turnover in div 2 3 and 4 were , Fermanagh Tipp and Carlow who all had 7 non returnees last year. The 3 lowest counties in div 2 3 and 4. Fermanagh , Carlow and Tipp last year they had the lowest non returnees in division 3 where Derry lost 19, Offaly lost 16, Wexford lost 17, Westmeath 13, and longford 12 .

5 The breakdown in terms of players leaving each division was
Division 1 66 players
Division 2 103 players
Divsion 3 107 players
Division 4 94 players
Division 2 and 3 are the divisions with the biggest drop off of players.

6 Other stats
The Wicklow manager recently said in every single of the last 5 seasons in each one of those year's, 15 players left the Wicklow panel and didnt retutn the following year. Wicklow have basically lost 15 players in every single one of the last 5 seasons

7 Kevin Walsh said in his first 18 months as Galway manager 52 players turned down the invitation to join the Galway panel.

8 Connerton Longford manager said also in his first 2 years as manager over 50 player turned down the invitation, declined to attend trials and join the panel.

So there really is some sort of player drain , here are the figures for division two teams last year, players who did not return for the league , Anyone have info on players missing this year. Meath are definately over the ten player missing mark again.


Cork 18 players
Meath 16 players
Armagh 10 players
Clare 10 players
kildare 9 players
Donegal 6 players
Fermanagh 7
Tipp 7"
I am very intrigued by the facts above and it does suggest that commitment is directly correlated to success. Teams like yourselves and others just need that small chance and break like a division 2 title or a Leinster title like we got in 2013 and never look back. Its luck at the end of the day. that young O hanlon man that came on against Dublin should be playing professional basketball but the opportunity of top success is what keeps him at Gaelic. If he was in Meath he would not be on the Meath panel I can guarantee. Its all about that Lucky break and few teams can get it but if a good footballing county like Meath got it and with your tradition I believe the players are there and would commit.

monaghanmad (Monaghan) - Posts: 74 - 28/01/2019 18:16:22    2160500

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A great start to the league. Really impressed how organised we were from start to finish.
Colgan was solid but wasn't really tested, however, it's great to see a kick out strategy which is effective.

Our defence is going from strength to strength, finilding Lavin has allowed us to move Keoghan to fill another hole while Kane and McEntee has added much needed pace to the middle third. What impressed me most was our tackling, the way we stripped them and then had a support player to give the ball off to.
Getting rid of the handpass rule actually suited us.

Midfield and half forward line is still an issue, we need someone to impose the game like Fenton, Cavanagh or Moran. Yesterday I thought McEntee, Burke, Brennan, Campion and Devine were out of the game for too long at times.
Newman, O Sullivan and Biggy really pulled us over the line.

Based on yesterday and a couple of O Byrne cup games i've seen, Andy has changed his game plan to be more direct, attack at pace and try to create an overlap, but the problem is there is too many going forward and not contributing. Too many times Keoghan and S McEntee joined the attack and never actually got involved and against better teams that will leave holes and we will be punished.

UsernameInvalid (Meath) - Posts: 104 - 28/01/2019 22:49:00    2160598

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