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Replying To Liamwalkinstown:  "Me too Clon
If he is fit enough to be in the squad he should be on the team
I also would like to see Bernard back on the bench and I wouldn't be shocked if it does happen"
Certainly have brogan in squad, couldn't for the life of me seeing Connolly start. Those last 10 would have been ideal for brogan.

theduke66 (Dublin) - Posts: 319 - 04/09/2019 12:36:05    2232703

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Bernard wouldn't have kicked away the silly ones Paddy Small did
I don't have any issue with DC taking on that shot at the end. Another inch to the left and he is the GOAT to all Dubs
in fact, I wouldn't have minded seeing him have had a pop at Deano's one at the end

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8144 - 04/09/2019 15:16:09    2232775

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I think Deano was the man for that last free my only issue was why he didn't take it out of his hands you can always steal a few yards when you take it out of the hand.

There has been a big over reaction to the performance of con and Mannion I watched the game back a few times now and they were out in front everytime they got on plenty of ball if Con had a buried that goal chance in the first half we would have been 6pts up. I believe we would have won that game by 7 of 8 with 15 on the pitch.

For the replay the 6 forwards will stay the same, McCarthy to move to midfield, Murchan to come at the back.

I was way more nervous before the 1st game, I am confident we will win the replay by 6 or 7pts.

jacktheDub (Dublin) - Posts: 842 - 04/09/2019 16:23:07    2232797

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Replying To jacktheDub:  "I think Deano was the man for that last free my only issue was why he didn't take it out of his hands you can always steal a few yards when you take it out of the hand.

There has been a big over reaction to the performance of con and Mannion I watched the game back a few times now and they were out in front everytime they got on plenty of ball if Con had a buried that goal chance in the first half we would have been 6pts up. I believe we would have won that game by 7 of 8 with 15 on the pitch.

For the replay the 6 forwards will stay the same, McCarthy to move to midfield, Murchan to come at the back.

I was way more nervous before the 1st game, I am confident we will win the replay by 6 or 7pts."
Agreed
Also super confident
Think we need a sweeper tho, so can see MDMA out for one of COS if fit or Murchan to come in

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8144 - 04/09/2019 16:55:13    2232808

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Haven't seen all messages, has the issue been raised about kerry official/ sun squirting water at the dublin player close to the sideline

pjmccabe01 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 2 - 05/09/2019 08:33:14    2232923

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Replying To jacktheDub:  "I think Deano was the man for that last free my only issue was why he didn't take it out of his hands you can always steal a few yards when you take it out of the hand.

There has been a big over reaction to the performance of con and Mannion I watched the game back a few times now and they were out in front everytime they got on plenty of ball if Con had a buried that goal chance in the first half we would have been 6pts up. I believe we would have won that game by 7 of 8 with 15 on the pitch.

For the replay the 6 forwards will stay the same, McCarthy to move to midfield, Murchan to come at the back.

I was way more nervous before the 1st game, I am confident we will win the replay by 6 or 7pts."
Paul mannion scores two points kicks one bad wide and another up in the air according to media has a bad game.

Clifford scores two points kicks two wides and one short according to media had a good game.



The second half Kerry had Murphy as sweeper which made space much harder for mannion and Con to run into, which takes their effect away from their game a bit more but both men imo were good, always showing never hiding.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 05/09/2019 10:41:56    2232961

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Think it has been overlooked the intensity the subs brought. It was like Dublin hit the boost button with ten to go. Ok a few wides - Connolly's kick was pre prepared when he was dropping into the pocket another day he would have scored. Costello's looked like a score and even more on the Hawkeye ! A few Hail Marys thrown in but magnificent effort in last ten. Has to put doubt in Kerry's mind they had Dublin with ten to go but pulled back and then couldn't get out off their own half. Maybe a change in midfield but I wouldn't think much more depending on injuries. Defense will have to have more cover but a lot of our problems came from mid field. Difficult to predict replays they can be completely different games. Two things - this Dublin team is magnificent and the likes won't be seen again also Kerry are the real deal !

theduke66 (Dublin) - Posts: 319 - 05/09/2019 22:07:48    2233160

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Replying To theduke66:  "Think it has been overlooked the intensity the subs brought. It was like Dublin hit the boost button with ten to go. Ok a few wides - Connolly's kick was pre prepared when he was dropping into the pocket another day he would have scored. Costello's looked like a score and even more on the Hawkeye ! A few Hail Marys thrown in but magnificent effort in last ten. Has to put doubt in Kerry's mind they had Dublin with ten to go but pulled back and then couldn't get out off their own half. Maybe a change in midfield but I wouldn't think much more depending on injuries. Defense will have to have more cover but a lot of our problems came from mid field. Difficult to predict replays they can be completely different games. Two things - this Dublin team is magnificent and the likes won't be seen again also Kerry are the real deal !"
The Small move has come in for criticism but he launched one long ranger that Ryan seemed to field right above his crossbar, so unlucky not to score. He also had a couple of decent carries and I think won the last min free for Rock. Without Kev we wouldn't be in a replay as it was his tenacity that forced the turnover from Moran that led to the equalizer. DC and Costello both unlucky not to point but we had no real threat up front throughout the game bar Rock. Perhaps a DC start is on the cards. If Kerry play the duvet again then at least Connolly can score from long range. He can also put a pass on a six pence.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4023 - 05/09/2019 23:16:06    2233183

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Replying To Joxer:  "The Small move has come in for criticism but he launched one long ranger that Ryan seemed to field right above his crossbar, so unlucky not to score. He also had a couple of decent carries and I think won the last min free for Rock. Without Kev we wouldn't be in a replay as it was his tenacity that forced the turnover from Moran that led to the equalizer. DC and Costello both unlucky not to point but we had no real threat up front throughout the game bar Rock. Perhaps a DC start is on the cards. If Kerry play the duvet again then at least Connolly can score from long range. He can also put a pass on a six pence."
Kerry had their homework done they know how dangerous we are in the D, they had a blanket back their, the old Donnie Buckley special that sucked up space, thats fair enough and a god tactic. We will be working on that and our blanket game the next day.

Im really very confident and like how emboldened Kerry have gotten about their chances, i think i banged my head and woke up and am the only one who remembers it was 14 Vs 15 for 42 mins. Kerry really should have won that game i would be massively dissapointed if it was Dublin.

Imagine if Mayo had 14 men of a final for 42 mins, missed a peno, went into the last quarter with a lead and didnt score in the last ten mins, they would be called bottlers thats what Kerry did. The last day was thier chance.

With 15 on the pitch we were lording it, the sending off was the turning point. The squandered the advantage shoring up at the back and trying to nick it, when they should have pressed.

Anything can happen in a game of football and Kerry have a slim chance with a l ot of luck just like the last day, but we are better and im very confident.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 2914 - 06/09/2019 11:07:17    2233248

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Kerry had their homework done they know how dangerous we are in the D, they had a blanket back their, the old Donnie Buckley special that sucked up space, thats fair enough and a god tactic. We will be working on that and our blanket game the next day.

Im really very confident and like how emboldened Kerry have gotten about their chances, i think i banged my head and woke up and am the only one who remembers it was 14 Vs 15 for 42 mins. Kerry really should have won that game i would be massively dissapointed if it was Dublin.

Imagine if Mayo had 14 men of a final for 42 mins, missed a peno, went into the last quarter with a lead and didnt score in the last ten mins, they would be called bottlers thats what Kerry did. The last day was thier chance.

With 15 on the pitch we were lording it, the sending off was the turning point. The squandered the advantage shoring up at the back and trying to nick it, when they should have pressed.

Anything can happen in a game of football and Kerry have a slim chance with a l ot of luck just like the last day, but we are better and im very confident."
I agree with a lot of that but belief can get you a long way. Kerry will have it in spades next Sat. They will look at that game and think that they should have had 4 goals.. penalty, McCarthy off the line, the Clucko tip onto the crossbar and the Spillane goal. They probably should have had 9 more points chalked up. I can't remember the last time we left Clucko so exposed like that. Fix the FB line and get a sweeper in there, Cian preferably. It was scary looking at the 2v2 matchup in our half in the second half. Yes we were a man down but Jayzis we were 5 points up and still leaving 2v2 at the back. It reminded me of 2014. The line was slow to manage the game and to react to Kerry moving the extra man up the field. Can't remember the last time we were exposed so easily at the back, our midfield was cleaned out and only one forward fired. However, with all of these things not happening we still nearly won the game with 14 men. That has to inspire great confidence. Kerry looked out on their feet with 10 to go as we attacked in waves. Confident that we can fix the wrongs and do the job the next day. Strong start needed and huge intensity required. Set the tone early.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4023 - 06/09/2019 18:44:38    2233364

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I think it's obvious that Kerry have it in them to win this game if we should falter. We're going to have to really turn up on Saturday week. I do think though that the fact we've seen them up close and personal we'll more the wiser.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 7701 - 06/09/2019 21:58:29    2233382

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Not sure i wholly agree with you lads Joxer and realdub. Kerry are a good team with good players who can hurt no doubt. But up until he sending off they were hanging in there in my opinion i think we outscored them in the second quarter but at least 1 -3 and the game was following a familiar pattern taking a 5 point lead in at half time, on the way to a convincing win. They were on the rack, Sean O Shea and some lucky free and a few 45 kept them in it rather then anything created expansively.

I think the narrative around this game has been really interesting, there is very little acknowledgement of the numerical advantage n much of the reporting or how Dublin were well ahead up to it. Ive heard it reported that Kerry missed an awful lot they could have scored, but they did miss it, a lot of it was good skill by defenders making them pot shots and living legend in goal. What i haven't seen reposted is that we also could have had a couple of goals, Con's one in particular and also kicked a very un Dublin like amount of wides.

In my opinion, people are refreshed by the drama of the game and the fact Dublin were run close and arent really acknowledging the nuances or the context of the game. The turning point was the sending off as we were cantering up until it.

In a game of football anything can happen and you need a bit lof luck to win an all Ireland Kerry got that the last day and didnt press home the advantage. They have a slim chance certainly in my opinion, if luck is with them again. But i think in a 50/50 game i think we are winning 95 times out of 100, i think we are a good bit better then them. Kerry are a good side certainly, i think they will hang around now until we regress, which could be this winter with retirements etc.

If they do it ill come on and congratulate, the Kerry lads and say fair play, im just very confident 15 Vs 15 we will win.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 2914 - 07/09/2019 09:14:18    2233409

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Not sure i wholly agree with you lads Joxer and realdub. Kerry are a good team with good players who can hurt no doubt. But up until he sending off they were hanging in there in my opinion i think we outscored them in the second quarter but at least 1 -3 and the game was following a familiar pattern taking a 5 point lead in at half time, on the way to a convincing win. They were on the rack, Sean O Shea and some lucky free and a few 45 kept them in it rather then anything created expansively.

I think the narrative around this game has been really interesting, there is very little acknowledgement of the numerical advantage n much of the reporting or how Dublin were well ahead up to it. Ive heard it reported that Kerry missed an awful lot they could have scored, but they did miss it, a lot of it was good skill by defenders making them pot shots and living legend in goal. What i haven't seen reposted is that we also could have had a couple of goals, Con's one in particular and also kicked a very un Dublin like amount of wides.

In my opinion, people are refreshed by the drama of the game and the fact Dublin were run close and arent really acknowledging the nuances or the context of the game. The turning point was the sending off as we were cantering up until it.

In a game of football anything can happen and you need a bit lof luck to win an all Ireland Kerry got that the last day and didnt press home the advantage. They have a slim chance certainly in my opinion, if luck is with them again. But i think in a 50/50 game i think we are winning 95 times out of 100, i think we are a good bit better then them. Kerry are a good side certainly, i think they will hang around now until we regress, which could be this winter with retirements etc.

If they do it ill come on and congratulate, the Kerry lads and say fair play, im just very confident 15 Vs 15 we will win."
Yeah no doubt the reporting has been all about the underdog and how great they were to run us so close. We were "let off the hook" and Kerry "left it behind them". That's all well and good but on another day...
- Spillane would have been done for over carrying for his goal
- the 45 that Kerry got in the second half that wasn't would have been a kick out
- O'Sullivan would have seen a straight red for his head high dangerous tackle on Small

They may count themselves lucky. We need to take lessons from the game. We can't afford to cough up those kind of goal chances. We need more discipline and much higher intensity. Personally I think we need a bit more threat up front and I'd be tempted to sacrifice Scully. A little shake up needed. So far at the business end we've been playing to a predictable formula, a winning one that has served us well but no harm in throwing a curve ball and giving them something extra to think about. They'll be happy enough to see Howard and Scully names, sitting deep and carrying that ball over the halfway giving the duvet time to smother the attack. Throw Dermo in the half forwards or Berno into the corner.

Lot of media talk about Walsh starting. I wonder will Keane bow to the pressure? I hope he does as Walsh doesn't have 35 in his legs never mind 70.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4023 - 07/09/2019 10:09:10    2233413

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Replying To Joxer:  "Yeah no doubt the reporting has been all about the underdog and how great they were to run us so close. We were "let off the hook" and Kerry "left it behind them". That's all well and good but on another day...
- Spillane would have been done for over carrying for his goal
- the 45 that Kerry got in the second half that wasn't would have been a kick out
- O'Sullivan would have seen a straight red for his head high dangerous tackle on Small

They may count themselves lucky. We need to take lessons from the game. We can't afford to cough up those kind of goal chances. We need more discipline and much higher intensity. Personally I think we need a bit more threat up front and I'd be tempted to sacrifice Scully. A little shake up needed. So far at the business end we've been playing to a predictable formula, a winning one that has served us well but no harm in throwing a curve ball and giving them something extra to think about. They'll be happy enough to see Howard and Scully names, sitting deep and carrying that ball over the halfway giving the duvet time to smother the attack. Throw Dermo in the half forwards or Berno into the corner.

Lot of media talk about Walsh starting. I wonder will Keane bow to the pressure? I hope he does as Walsh doesn't have 35 in his legs never mind 70."
Good post mate, i think think the ref wasnt consistent and i was dissapointed in real time, i can understand a bit more watching the game back, but i dont think the same rules applied consistently for both teams, thats not to use that as an excuse as i dont think that our way.

I watched the game back again last night and Spillane took 7 steps for the goal, in addition to everything you said i think Sean O Shea was lucky not to get a red for the late tackle on Small it was a very high tackle and clearly cynical.

I think we play open enough and i think we will always cough up chances we just back ourselves to score more and it usually works, we missed Cian and the extra body sweeping, not sure if anyone else heard he was to start but tweaked is hamstring on the Saturday. I think our strategy is to let teams get to the 50, then hit them with the snare and press with men back forcing them into pot shots. Gavin plays the percentages, he wants teams to take on low percentage shots from distance, equally scoring he wants us in the D taking on high percentage scoring chances, its why our conversion rate is so good, hes all about the percentages. If teams are good enough to get in behind then i think we will accept that and take our chances, but back ourselves to outscore them.

Good point on discipline, some of the turnovers Kerry one and frees out the fild were sloppy Kerry were in the ropes in the second quarter and we gave them a life line with frees, we need to be standing lads up because all their forwards know, if they go down or dive and free awarded O Shea is slotting. I thought our intensity was Ok given we were down a man, we increased it in the last 10 and Kerry had no answer, with 15 i think we would of won it, but they had their whole team back and we were down a man.

I personally wouldn't change the front line, i think we need to be ore composed, i think we need to work our incisive speed game and then our blanket game depending on how they set up in phases, we were making hay up to the sending off. If we are ahead they have to come out and gaps will appear that when to bring on Costello, Connolly etc. Interestingly Jim left his subs really late the last day, given the shift the lads put in.

Scully has tapered off a bit the last few game, but i do think hes integral to the system, he and Howard flood lines and as they go up and down they leave their marker with a choice to stick or twist, creating gaps as well as what tey give you flooding.

I talked a bit about on the main page i think TW influence is a bit over blown, the goal was fortuitous rather then a brilliant bit of creativity, hes a threat no doubt, but when he comes on, it frees a man up in our half back line as he doesn't have the pace to mark anyone, that gives us an extra man. If you watch the game back Howard makes hay when TW comes on and Jim immediately brought Murch on for his pace and he was cutting through the Kerry central challenge and doing an awful lot offensively. Tw has his pros and cons for Kerry IMO.

Still maintain, we would be celebrating 5 right now only for the sending off and really confident about the next day. All Kerry have done is drawn a game and i left Croke Park thinking they should have won the game with the luck they got, if Tyrone or Mayo had 14 men of a final for 42 mins, missed a peno, went into the last quarter with a lead and didnt score in the last ten mins, they would be called bottlers thats what Kerry did. The last day was their chance. They really left it be behind them and i would be gutted if it was Dublin, in the same context and didnt win that game. They really blinked when the pressure was on and they had a fair wind. Its part of the reason i am confident.

Essentially all the last game showed that :

14 Dublin Men are > 15 Kerry Men.

(Probably more as they emptied their bench a lot earlier then we did).

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 2914 - 07/09/2019 11:06:00    2233423

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Meant to mention as well, did anyone else think the disallowed half eye point was actually over, i thought it was nailed on at the game and i haven't seen much in the replay or the halkeye graphic to make me think otherwise either, how its a Nil is beyond me, but i suppose the technology is inflatable or is it?

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 2914 - 07/09/2019 11:19:16    2233425

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Not sure i wholly agree with you lads Joxer and realdub. Kerry are a good team with good players who can hurt no doubt. But up until he sending off they were hanging in there in my opinion i think we outscored them in the second quarter but at least 1 -3 and the game was following a familiar pattern taking a 5 point lead in at half time, on the way to a convincing win. They were on the rack, Sean O Shea and some lucky free and a few 45 kept them in it rather then anything created expansively.

I think the narrative around this game has been really interesting, there is very little acknowledgement of the numerical advantage n much of the reporting or how Dublin were well ahead up to it. Ive heard it reported that Kerry missed an awful lot they could have scored, but they did miss it, a lot of it was good skill by defenders making them pot shots and living legend in goal. What i haven't seen reposted is that we also could have had a couple of goals, Con's one in particular and also kicked a very un Dublin like amount of wides.

In my opinion, people are refreshed by the drama of the game and the fact Dublin were run close and arent really acknowledging the nuances or the context of the game. The turning point was the sending off as we were cantering up until it.

In a game of football anything can happen and you need a bit lof luck to win an all Ireland Kerry got that the last day and didnt press home the advantage. They have a slim chance certainly in my opinion, if luck is with them again. But i think in a 50/50 game i think we are winning 95 times out of 100, i think we are a good bit better then them. Kerry are a good side certainly, i think they will hang around now until we regress, which could be this winter with retirements etc.

If they do it ill come on and congratulate, the Kerry lads and say fair play, im just very confident 15 Vs 15 we will win."
Hopefully

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 7701 - 07/09/2019 12:32:16    2233431

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Meant to mention as well, did anyone else think the disallowed half eye point was actually over, i thought it was nailed on at the game and i haven't seen much in the replay or the halkeye graphic to make me think otherwise either, how its a Nil is beyond me, but i suppose the technology is inflatable or is it?"
Very good analysis. I was right behind the arc on that effort and could have sworn it was over but you're talking inches with Hawkeye. On our strategy to win ball around the D and take the high percentage shots, that is absolutely true. This won't work against a team who presses high and then cleans up and midfield or when they are not pressing do a great job at man marking the real threats and throwing a 24 man blanket inside their 45. Cut the supply!! In fairness Kerry did all of these things very well last week. First team to succeed at it against us since the last Mayo thriller a couple of years ago. The only way to break that is very hard running at great pace, off the shoulder as they try to transition back from press to duvet. That's why Jack was key and why we got a couple of good points from very good fields from Rock and Howard at midfield to buck the Kerry dominance there. It's simple for me, win midfield this time, keep 15 men on the pitch and we will win.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4023 - 07/09/2019 13:06:05    2233435

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Meant to mention as well, did anyone else think the disallowed half eye point was actually over, i thought it was nailed on at the game and i haven't seen much in the replay or the halkeye graphic to make me think otherwise either, how its a Nil is beyond me, but i suppose the technology is inflatable or is it?"
The ball grazed the virtual post above the real post. According to the rules that's not a point.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2898 - 07/09/2019 13:13:03    2233437

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Meant to mention as well, did anyone else think the disallowed half eye point was actually over, i thought it was nailed on at the game and i haven't seen much in the replay or the halkeye graphic to make me think otherwise either, how its a Nil is beyond me, but i suppose the technology is inflatable or is it?"
Thought the same was sure it was over real time one of the Kerry defenders was waving it wide. I think it was the linesman ran into gough immediately after. Once the ball is shown to touch the blue upright in Hawkeye it's a wide. To me it would definitely have gone over even if it shaved the post.

theduke66 (Dublin) - Posts: 319 - 07/09/2019 13:31:06    2233440

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Replying To Joxer:  "Very good analysis. I was right behind the arc on that effort and could have sworn it was over but you're talking inches with Hawkeye. On our strategy to win ball around the D and take the high percentage shots, that is absolutely true. This won't work against a team who presses high and then cleans up and midfield or when they are not pressing do a great job at man marking the real threats and throwing a 24 man blanket inside their 45. Cut the supply!! In fairness Kerry did all of these things very well last week. First team to succeed at it against us since the last Mayo thriller a couple of years ago. The only way to break that is very hard running at great pace, off the shoulder as they try to transition back from press to duvet. That's why Jack was key and why we got a couple of good points from very good fields from Rock and Howard at midfield to buck the Kerry dominance there. It's simple for me, win midfield this time, keep 15 men on the pitch and we will win."
Good post mate, i agree with a lot of it. The more i watch the game the more i thought we got a foothold in midfield Howard in particular, i think Moran wains as the game goes on, hes having a good year mind. They did well in midfield though and had prepared for it. I thought the sending off limited our kick out though. With a man down its harder to go short and i thought i forced Cluxton into going long in the majority of cases. Kerry will either press high for the short, or flood the midfield to win it there depending on the kick out, that is hard to keep up. The short one is interesting as i think Kerry forwards work enough defensively, while the midfield has to push up then to engage the play from our back, neither Barry or Moran have pace or recovery pace and so gaps apear in fluid play as opposed to static play of fielding.

We know how to beat the blanket, run the legs of the opposition, Kerry were out on their feet in the last ten mins and were just marking space, with bodies back hanging in there. If we work them more in possession side to side, holding the ball in front the blanket i think we could wear them down and frustrate them. The danger is the counter if we bring bodies up. They have pace on the break.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 2914 - 08/09/2019 10:23:51    2233513

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