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Folk take All Stars too seriously- the awards are given out, not won. It was pretty silly not to give the full back position to a defender-perhaps it should have been given to a full back. There have always been strange decisions even in Spillane,s time. Cluxton is an excellent goal keeper on a great team so his job would be less difficult than if he were playing on a lesser team. Most of his kick outs are not even contested so finding a teammate becomes very easy and quite a few of the matches he plays in require no saves. Beggan deserved his All Star. browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 05/11/2018 10:02:55 2149594 Link
Replying To TheHermit: "You live in hope, but it's worrying that he will be out for much of the League having to have a shoulder operation now at so young and age. And look how Dingle targeted him two weeks ago, disgusting stuff. You can bet if a club side can try and do that to him, there will be county teams lining up to do similar next summer. How long can a player last if that's the new norm? I know this is off topic but something has to be done at this stage to protect our most talented players from the plague of off the ball stuff that's now endemic. If one referee had the stomach to black or red card 7 or 8 fella's from a team for this stuff it would stop very very quickly." Couldn't agree more. Happens in Tyrone as well - limited club players with chips on shoulders trying to make a name for themselves by having a cut off the county lad. GAA refereeing; don't get me started. A classy forward can be trash-talked, spat at, nipped, pulled back, feet stood on etc etc, our hero in black will see and do nothing. Forward near end of game throws an arm back in sheer frustration - immediately ref rushes forward and gives 2 yellow cards and everybody tut tuts about the "badness" of the bloke who retaliated. The culture is you're meant to play your way through a barrage of crap and half-fouls (take it as a compliment, apparently) and don't expect the ref to intervene unless the guy niggling at you for the last hour overdoes it and tries to take your head off with an actual punch or clothes-line. essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 05/11/2018 11:06:03 2149611 Link
I always think they get them more or less right and, esp for players for weaker counties, it's a nice tribute. People need to lighten up. As for Cavanagh, sure, he's often listed as a traditional midfielder, but the number on his jersey is meaningless. I always think of him as a defender as that's where he spends plenty of time, mopping up in the defence. As Paddy Heaney said in an insightful article in The Examiner a couple of years ago, there are only seven positions on a modern Gaelic football team: 1. Man-marker 2. Channel blocker 3. Line breaker 4. Midfield anchor 5. Midfield linkman 6. Shooter 7. Point of attack That's closer to the reality of the modern game, whether the '1-15 playing in their own bit of the pitch' dreamers want to accept it or not. Google "PADDY HEANEY: New position needed on line-ups" essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 05/11/2018 11:14:03 2149612 Link
Clifford outstanding footballer going to be an all time great but his ypoty award was wrong he didn't play in an All Ireland semi or final while Howard did both and was outstanding in both and should of won the award. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 05/11/2018 12:10:05 2149630 Link
Replying To Greengrass: "I heard that programme patk. It was dire stuff . Gilroy was way over the top . He laughed at the 18 points Rory Beggan scored in the championship and said,"sure they were only frees . It's not as if he was getting the ball and soloing down the field and kicking it over the bar". The journalist was Conor McKeon . He was worse . He couldn't even get his facts right . He said "Rory Beggan came off his line prematurely for the goal against Fermanagh". Rory Beggan stayed close to goal too long for the Fermanagh goal. He blamed Beggan for a late goal conceded against Armagh this season . Monaghan didn't play Armagh this season . He said Rory Beggan gave the ball away more often than Cluxton and never provided any stats to substantiate that assertion. None of this is to have a pop at Stephen Cluxton who remains a genuinely great player . It's to illustrate just how awful a lot of the so called analysis of Gaelic football really is ." You were listening to GAA talk on Off the Ball, there lack of knowledge of the GAA as a sport is jaw dropping and I laugh at some of the stuff that they come out with on that show. Gilroy being the worst of them! If you want proper GAA knowledge then listen to The GAA hour on Sports Joe with Colm Parkinson. Excellent from start to finish and informative. He is making a laughing stock of Off the Ball which will drives them mad seeing as he left them on bad terms. BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 932 - 05/11/2018 12:38:54 2149634 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "Clifford outstanding footballer going to be an all time great but his ypoty award was wrong he didn't play in an All Ireland semi or final while Howard did both and was outstanding in both and should of won the award." Disagree. Clifford or Howard were both excellent and you could make a case for both to be honoured. Clifford's debut season was exceptional and I'm sure I can remember a player making such an impact on the Championship in their debut season as a teenager before. How far each got in the Championship is irrelevant in an individual award. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13705 - 05/11/2018 12:42:04 2149636 Link
Very sour from some of the dubs. Prior to the championship I wasn't expecting too much from Clifford given his age but his performances certainly exceeded my expectations. Howard was brilliant too and if he'd have won the award I'd have no complaints, it was like a 50:50 decision in my eyes. JDF (Galway) - Posts: 322 - 05/11/2018 12:55:03 2149640 Link
Replying To JDF: "Very sour from some of the dubs. Prior to the championship I wasn't expecting too much from Clifford given his age but his performances certainly exceeded my expectations. Howard was brilliant too and if he'd have won the award I'd have no complaints, it was like a 50:50 decision in my eyes." Equally some very complimentary statements made towards Clifford from some Dubs Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 05/11/2018 13:12:06 2149646 Link
Replying To essmac: "Couldn't agree more. Happens in Tyrone as well - limited club players with chips on shoulders trying to make a name for themselves by having a cut off the county lad. GAA refereeing; don't get me started. A classy forward can be trash-talked, spat at, nipped, pulled back, feet stood on etc etc, our hero in black will see and do nothing. Forward near end of game throws an arm back in sheer frustration - immediately ref rushes forward and gives 2 yellow cards and everybody tut tuts about the "badness" of the bloke who retaliated. The culture is you're meant to play your way through a barrage of crap and half-fouls (take it as a compliment, apparently) and don't expect the ref to intervene unless the guy niggling at you for the last hour overdoes it and tries to take your head off with an actual punch or clothes-line." Its enough to want you take a year off inter county and play in Boston for the summer. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 05/11/2018 13:36:51 2149652 Link
Replying To Damothedub: "Equally some very complimentary statements made towards Clifford from some Dubs" Yes Damo but surely thats a normal thing to do and not worthy of me commenting on it. JDF (Galway) - Posts: 322 - 05/11/2018 16:46:07 2149693 Link
Replying To JDF: "Yes Damo but surely thats a normal thing to do and not worthy of me commenting on it." Nothing normal on HoganStand Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 05/11/2018 19:13:02 2149718 Link
Just after reading the Cahair O'Kane article in the Irish News, which he does a break down analysis of every kickout and mistake made by either Beggan or Cluxton. The results confirm that only was Beggan better than Cluxton but in an entirely different planet. Look it up. shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1928 - 06/11/2018 09:06:35 2149779 Link
Replying To shaggylegend: "Just after reading the Cahair O'Kane article in the Irish News, which he does a break down analysis of every kickout and mistake made by either Beggan or Cluxton. The results confirm that only was Beggan better than Cluxton but in an entirely different planet. Look it up." Interesting piece. Not surprising that teams pressed up on Beggan's kickouts more than Cluxton, but Beggan's success rate from contested kickouts is fantastic. patk (Monaghan) - Posts: 936 - 06/11/2018 10:59:15 2149809 Link
Replying To shaggylegend: "Just after reading the Cahair O'Kane article in the Irish News, which he does a break down analysis of every kickout and mistake made by either Beggan or Cluxton. The results confirm that only was Beggan better than Cluxton but in an entirely different planet. Look it up." Shhh! How dare you!?? You should know by now that facts aren't considered when appraising Cluxton's performances! cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 06/11/2018 11:36:00 2149816 Link
A good article in the Irish examiner by John Fogarty - an open letter to Rory Beggan. Worth a read greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 965 - 06/11/2018 12:40:18 2149850 Link
Replying To cavanman47: "Shhh! How dare you!?? You should know by now that facts aren't considered when appraising Cluxton's performances!" Priceless. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 06/11/2018 12:52:39 2149857 Link
Replying To TheUsername: "Its enough to want you take a year off inter county and play in Boston for the summer." I think most people on here are well informed GAA fans and know the real reason behind that one cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 06/11/2018 15:58:36 2149909 Link
Replying To lilylanger: "Who said what on social media? Spill?" Paul Clarke (Selector) and Brian Fenton and others liking tweets from Dublin trolls giving out that Cluxton didn't get the all star. BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 932 - 06/11/2018 16:35:50 2149918 Link
I think the All Stars get way too much attention as well as all this talk about Goalkeepers. Alas thats the way the game has gone in the last few years with the most important analysis in games these days revolving around keepers. KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 898 - 06/11/2018 16:55:44 2149920 Link
Replying To cavanman47: "I think most people on here are well informed GAA fans and know the real reason behind that one" Go ahead, I've heard 200 different "real reasons" rumors at this stage. No point hinting at something sinister or an innuendo beyond the lad taking a year out unless you can back it up. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 06/11/2018 17:25:35 2149926 Link

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