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I'm sick of clowns on twitter saying Cluxton was robbed. He wasn't. Beggan had a better year than him, end of. Cluxton missed a few games through injury and made a number of mistakes throughout the year. Galway goal in the semi final? Where in the name of christ was he going for that. Beggan had the better year and is fully deserving of his accolade.

For me the players that can feel hard done by are Ryan Wylie and Eoin Ban Gallagher.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 01/11/2018 14:38:08    2149085

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Replying To gotmilk:  "I'm sick of clowns on twitter saying Cluxton was robbed. He wasn't. Beggan had a better year than him, end of. Cluxton missed a few games through injury and made a number of mistakes throughout the year. Galway goal in the semi final? Where in the name of christ was he going for that. Beggan had the better year and is fully deserving of his accolade.

For me the players that can feel hard done by are Ryan Wylie and Eoin Ban Gallagher."
Beggan mistake for the late Fermanagh goal? or one of the Whylie's???

GDL (Galway) - Posts: 721 - 01/11/2018 15:08:19    2149093

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Replying To gotmilk:  "I'm sick of clowns on twitter saying Cluxton was robbed. He wasn't. Beggan had a better year than him, end of. Cluxton missed a few games through injury and made a number of mistakes throughout the year. Galway goal in the semi final? Where in the name of christ was he going for that. Beggan had the better year and is fully deserving of his accolade.

For me the players that can feel hard done by are Ryan Wylie and Eoin Ban Gallagher."
When the game is in the melting pot and you need cool heads what what Beggan done for his counties two defeats, went for a crazy ball against Fermanagh "what was he doing" and his kick against Tyrone was a shocker we're he was obviously believing his own hype the most selfish act you'll ever see on a football field.

But Beggan was brilliant all year and I don't want to be nit picking but if you're going to nit pick Cluxton I'm going to show you every keeper makes mistakes.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 01/11/2018 15:14:26    2149095

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Clarke was dropped by his own team in '16 for an all Ireland replay. Dropping Cluxton isn't an option. Listen all the keepers are great and have had great seasons but not to award the greatest keeper of all time the keeper they all copy now on our way to 4in a row is shocking and laughable."
What has 4 in a row got to do with the 2018 all stars ?you gotta be the best keeper of the year. He wasn't. Simple

Malonemagic (Laois) - Posts: 766 - 01/11/2018 15:17:38    2149096

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Doesn't seem to have been any full-back available to 'man the square' - surprised then that they didn't just push Beggan out there to make room for Cluxton. Yes, I know it would be farcical but so is the placing of Cavanagh at full-back.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 01/11/2018 15:21:39    2149097

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As positions don't apply by the looks of it to the people picking the all star team, why didn't they put Beggan at wing forward?? He did venture out a lot!! That would sort it out, cluko and Rory get All stars. Well done Ian Burke. Shane Walsh unlucky.

jj19 (Galway) - Posts: 448 - 01/11/2018 15:23:14    2149098

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Replying To mayotyroneman:  "All Ireland finalists end up with 2 all stars...Peter Harte man of the match in the semi final and leads fightback in final...Conor MC aliskey scores 2-38 during championship...Niall sudden scores 1-2 in semi final and has a phenomenal season...Mattie Donnelly outstanding performances through the championship...Paul mannion turns up in the Dublin club championship and wins an all star...pathetic!"
Tyrone got twice as many as we deserved (really only Hampsey was worthy).

Harte played for 10 minutes against Monaghan, and was nowhere in the final. This is his form most of the time - patchy, at best. Mattie had a very poor final. Sudden too. And Cavanagh.

McAliskey was taken off in most games once the weaker teams were weeded out.

Mannion, on the other hand, was the best player on the field in the biggest game of the year. Totally deserving.

Thomas Clarke (Tyrone) - Posts: 1002 - 01/11/2018 15:35:42    2149102

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Maybe the All Stars need a revamp. It's been a while since players lined out 1 to 15 and played the role that those positions traditionally represented. For a player like Colm Cavanagh who plays pretty much all over the park in most games it's as hard to give him a position in midfield as it is at full back. He's not alone by any means. Most teams play in zones now and to stand out from the crowd it has become a big task. Maybe giving individual awards for best sweeper, best fielder, best playmaker, best scorer from play etc might be a better way to hand out awards now.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 01/11/2018 15:37:36    2149103

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Replying To mayotyroneman:  "Young o se had much more of an impact than Clifford during the championship..maybe o se doesn't work for a sponsor?"
Dont know how many Kerry games you watched but Clifford was clearly Kerrys player of the year by a long way.

KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 898 - 01/11/2018 15:51:45    2149106

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "When the game is in the melting pot and you need cool heads what what Beggan done for his counties two defeats, went for a crazy ball against Fermanagh "what was he doing" and his kick against Tyrone was a shocker we're he was obviously believing his own hype the most selfish act you'll ever see on a football field.

But Beggan was brilliant all year and I don't want to be nit picking but if you're going to nit pick Cluxton I'm going to show you every keeper makes mistakes."
I know every keeper (player) makes mistakes but if you read some of the stuff on twitter you would swear that cluxton had never put a foot wrong. Cluxton reinvented the position, Beggan has taken it to a new level though I think. Some of his long kickouts are amazing.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 01/11/2018 15:53:35    2149107

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Replying To Malonemagic:  "What has 4 in a row got to do with the 2018 all stars ?you gotta be the best keeper of the year. He wasn't. Simple"
The winners usually get the most awards so winning all Ireland's obviously matters. I'm not to upset I thought Beggan was outstanding but to not win one award in the 4 in a row run is a shocker. Our main man on the greatest team of all time isn't deserving of an award the last 4 seasons is wrong.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 01/11/2018 16:24:18    2149117

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "The winners usually get the most awards so winning all Ireland's obviously matters. I'm not to upset I thought Beggan was outstanding but to not win one award in the 4 in a row run is a shocker. Our main man on the greatest team of all time isn't deserving of an award the last 4 seasons is wrong."
He was hard done a couple of years

Don't think he deserved one this year though

He was still very good and saved his best performance for the final, he got unlucky with injury. Ridiculous no attempt to win the ball tackle put in on him while he was in the air.

Although again.. I do think he should have had at least one All Star in the last 4 years - he was more than good enough to get one nod across that time but perhaps a victim of his own success. The chap already has 5...

Although 6 AI medals definitely outweighs 5 AS awards :) I think I know the one he'd prefer to have.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 01/11/2018 17:00:10    2149131

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "The winners usually get the most awards so winning all Ireland's obviously matters. I'm not to upset I thought Beggan was outstanding but to not win one award in the 4 in a row run is a shocker. Our main man on the greatest team of all time isn't deserving of an award the last 4 seasons is wrong."
He has won 5. What year was he head and shoulders over the winner? Possibly 2017 I'd have given it to him over Clarke but it was tight none the less.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 01/11/2018 17:18:21    2149133

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Replying To gotmilk:  "I know every keeper (player) makes mistakes but if you read some of the stuff on twitter you would swear that cluxton had never put a foot wrong. Cluxton reinvented the position, Beggan has taken it to a new level though I think. Some of his long kickouts are amazing."
Cluxton is a good keeper. His kick outs are pin point accuracy, however as a traditional shot stopper. He is average

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 01/11/2018 17:27:31    2149134

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First up both Beggan and Cluxton had really good years and any awards either of them get are well deserved. What surprises me is the comment by Des Cahill this morning that the feedback he received was that the support of the journalists who selected the All-Stars was almost unanimous in favour of Beggan. When you consider that the pundits (ex-players) on the RTE panel on the night of the All-Ireland went for Cluxton on their team of the year and most ex-players that published their favoured selections in the papers also went for Cluxton, then if what Des Cahill said is correct i.e that there was virtually no support for Cluxton among the selection committee (journalists), it surely begs the question is Cluxton's custom of ignoring the media an issue when it comes to All-Star selection.
Regarding the selection of Cavanagh at full back, when at best he could be described as a holding mid-fielder raises issues also, though this issue is not new when you consider Michael Murphy previously being selected at full-forward, Murphy wore the 14 jersey but seldom ventured beyond the opposition 45m line.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 676 - 01/11/2018 17:54:56    2149138

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Cluxton is a good keeper. His kick outs are pin point accuracy, however as a traditional shot stopper. He is average"
When it comes to judging Clinton you have beating the same drum for some considerable time , it's not in your nature to change , I think Thomas o Shea hit the nail on the head today when talking about Cluxton , I know who's opinion I'd value more .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 01/11/2018 18:16:31    2149143

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Can anyone name the all star selectors.

jj19 (Galway) - Posts: 448 - 01/11/2018 18:18:21    2149144

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Cluxton is a good keeper. His kick outs are pin point accuracy, however as a traditional shot stopper. He is average"
In fairness I think his goal concession rate would suggest otherwise. As keepers go I think he is an excellent shot stopper but he can be suspect under a high ball. I'd see that as his only weakness to be honest if you would even call it that.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 01/11/2018 18:28:08    2149147

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Replying To Malonemagic:  "What has 4 in a row got to do with the 2018 all stars ?you gotta be the best keeper of the year. He wasn't. Simple"
But the SG panelists disagree with that. Lots of people undervaluing his distribution skills IMO. Second to none and starting every Dublin attack with faultless precision. No keeper has that precision. None.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 01/11/2018 18:49:57    2149150

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Bit disappointed Dublin got so many to be honest, all a bit of a pony show really, but it was inevitable.

On the Cluxton thing, I'm pretty certain an all star is an irratance at this stage. Congrats to Beggan well deserved and hopefully he learns from his mistakes in the semi.

Subjectively I think Sean O Shea is unlucky, Clifford is a fine talented player, but I think O Shea is more influential myself like the lad above mentioned different type of players and all that but Kerry missed him at crucial moments. Also think Sean Andy is unlucky best no 3 in the country for my money as is EBG a very special player if he was from Dublin of Kerry he would be in the team. But politics usually is the dictating factor in these things. Doesn't seem to be much recognition of the league!

Anyhow hope most of the Dublin lads don't go on the trip and junket, think all of that is outdated if you are a serious athlete these days, though I wouldn't begrudge it if they wanted it.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 01/11/2018 19:01:27    2149152

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