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Hurler Of The Year Noms - Madness

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These awards lost all credibility in 1994 (before I was born, but heard all about it), when Brian Whelehan got hurler of the year but no all star.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 98 - 13/09/2018 21:57:26    2141560

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Were they ever credible. You do not win All Stars-they are given out. You win matches and competitions. Look at the guys who decide -most never even played the game.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 1870 - 14/09/2018 01:01:45    2141591

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I don't see Joe getting it atall

I think Cian will get it for the same reason Andy Moran got it, the Galway vote will be split.

I don't think Cian is the HOTY, I don't know anyone in Limerick (outside the Well) who thinks he should either!

Limerick's best players were Mulcahy, Gillane, Hannon and Tom Morrissey

But sure so long as a Limerick man gets it, I don't really care :)

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8027 - 14/09/2018 09:06:43    2141609

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "These awards lost all credibility in 1994 (before I was born, but heard all about it), when Brian Whelehan got hurler of the year but no all star."
Better still, Brian Whelehan got an All-Star at full forward in 1998. I think he played in that position for the last 20 minutes of the final

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 917 - 14/09/2018 13:00:04    2141691

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always said individual accolades,including man of the match,all stars,captains speeches,etc were nonsense.i stand by that.
if i am wing forward and my remit is to win the ball and pass it to joe canning or tj reid or whoever,then am i not as responsible for the score by winning the ball originally?
it worked for kilkenny with john power winning ball and dj carey/eamon morrissey/liam fennelly etc getting the scores.i always felt he never got the recognition he deserved because he was a creator not a finisher.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 2889 - 14/09/2018 14:07:19    2141712

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I think that one of the two limerick corner backs, English or Finn, should have been nominated for hurler of the year. This was limericks most improved area since falling short with good teams in 2013 and especially 2014. John Kiely was very brave bringing these to guys in and dropping more established members of the full back line who were clearly a weakness. I think Flanagan and Mulcahy were excellent all year also. Cian lynch was very composed in his play this year and showed leadership. My three nominees would have been lynch, Finn and Joe canning. This was cannings best year since 2012. Can't believe Joseph Cooney didn't even get an all star nomination.

HurlingSnob (Dublin) - Posts: 220 - 14/09/2018 17:01:56    2141765

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Replying To tiobraid:  "I was going to start a thread saying the same thing but I got roasted for months for being anti Galway last year!

Its amazing that Paddy Power knows the nominees before we do...

There's no doubt in my mind that Hannon is hurler of the year. I agree with Mannion being nominated but my opinion is that Hannon had a bigger impact in the bigger games.
However, its almost certain now that Canning gets it again.
There's no transparency in the process either. What players vote? Do each county get 1 vote or 30 votes? Is it Liam Mccarthy teams or all counties? Regardless....I dont think it matters because the players votes dont really count. The person that wins each year is the player with the biggest media profile and the one that allows the GAA to promote the game the most...there cant be any doubt about that."
All county hurlers from the year will have 1 vote each, and the captain of Limericks vote is worth the same as the sub goalkeeper in Cavan. Funnily enough the people who often watch the fewest games are the players themselves so how you played in the semi final and final tends to make a big difference.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2204 - 14/09/2018 20:53:16    2141800

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Replying To perfect10:  "always said individual accolades,including man of the match,all stars,captains speeches,etc were nonsense.i stand by that.
if i am wing forward and my remit is to win the ball and pass it to joe canning or tj reid or whoever,then am i not as responsible for the score by winning the ball originally?
it worked for kilkenny with john power winning ball and dj carey/eamon morrissey/liam fennelly etc getting the scores.i always felt he never got the recognition he deserved because he was a creator not a finisher."
I'd agree to a point. A lot of the dog work done by certain players isn't recognised, and the scorers usually get most of the recognition.
However, I will say there's a reason some lads are doing the dirty work and other lads are there for the scores. The more talented hurlers like Canning and Reid which you mentioned, will end up being the scorers on teams as they're better players.
John Power as good as he was, could never be a DJ Carey. Joseph Cooney couldn't do what Canning does as effectively.
Teams will put their best players in the most important roles in the team. Workers are generally more replaceable than high level scorers.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 268 - 15/09/2018 07:21:47    2141843

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Canning by far the best player in the country this year. and was last year too. its his moments of magic that win games. its what all the great players can do. its a ridiculous argument even.

clare_sparrow (Galway) - Posts: 210 - 16/09/2018 06:14:27    2141934

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Replying To Ban:  "It's like something you'd see in Fr. Ted!

Last year they badly wanted Joe to get the award. So they nominated 3 lads, none of which were actually the hands down hurler of the year - Gearoid McInerney

Padraig Mannion deserves it this year."
Can someone actually explain to me why Mannion deserves it? I don't see it. Don't get me wrong, very good half back, but HOTY?? Why? He was awful in the final too. Gave the ball away alot, got burnt badly a few times, caught out of position, fouled often and should have been sent off for a second yellow for throwing the hurley at Dowling.

blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 834 - 17/09/2018 03:00:20    2142102

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "I'd agree to a point. A lot of the dog work done by certain players isn't recognised, and the scorers usually get most of the recognition.
However, I will say there's a reason some lads are doing the dirty work and other lads are there for the scores. The more talented hurlers like Canning and Reid which you mentioned, will end up being the scorers on teams as they're better players.
John Power as good as he was, could never be a DJ Carey. Joseph Cooney couldn't do what Canning does as effectively.
Teams will put their best players in the most important roles in the team. Workers are generally more replaceable than high level scorers."
i dunno,a lot of counties have (and always had) players who could win matches but they could never get on the ball.they needed the savage who would go through a wall to win a ball.winning primary posession is a much a factor in winning a match as putting the ball over the bar or in the net.
a team is the sum of its parts.you play players based on their strengths.
the flip side for me is,dj carey could never have been a john power.i know it could be argued "why would he be when he scores goals,etc" but for me,both are equally important in a team.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 2889 - 17/09/2018 09:22:47    2142125

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Replying To blackspot91:  "Can someone actually explain to me why Mannion deserves it? I don't see it. Don't get me wrong, very good half back, but HOTY?? Why? He was awful in the final too. Gave the ball away alot, got burnt badly a few times, caught out of position, fouled often and should have been sent off for a second yellow for throwing the hurley at Dowling."
Mannion was quite good in the final imo, especially considering the amount of pressure that Limerick put him under. If anything compliments Mannion's level all year, it was the degree to which Limerick targeted him for negation in their gameplan for the final. I thought he survived it well.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 2116 - 17/09/2018 11:38:35    2142183

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Replying To blackspot91:  "Can someone actually explain to me why Mannion deserves it? I don't see it. Don't get me wrong, very good half back, but HOTY?? Why? He was awful in the final too. Gave the ball away alot, got burnt badly a few times, caught out of position, fouled often and should have been sent off for a second yellow for throwing the hurley at Dowling."
Excellent up to smei final imo but I'd agree with you especially on his final performance and semi final he wasnt at the top of his game either.
Who would you give it too? Is it just me that beleives Hannon was the standout player this year?

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2478 - 17/09/2018 14:16:08    2142233

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Replying To conordee:  "If you think Canning is almost certain, get down to the local bookie as Mannion is, and has been hot favourite for a couple of months now."
Don't worry I have a small few quid on him. Not that I agree with it by any stretch but it seems obvious now he will get it.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2478 - 17/09/2018 14:17:34    2142234

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Excellent up to smei final imo but I'd agree with you especially on his final performance and semi final he wasnt at the top of his game either.
Who would you give it too? Is it just me that beleives Hannon was the standout player this year?"
I was on the Mulcahy train but I agree Hannon was up there. If i was to be really objective about it, Conlon and Harnedy were right up there

blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 834 - 18/09/2018 03:34:38    2142341

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Replying To perfect10:  "i dunno,a lot of counties have (and always had) players who could win matches but they could never get on the ball.they needed the savage who would go through a wall to win a ball.winning primary posession is a much a factor in winning a match as putting the ball over the bar or in the net.
a team is the sum of its parts.you play players based on their strengths.
the flip side for me is,dj carey could never have been a john power.i know it could be argued "why would he be when he scores goals,etc" but for me,both are equally important in a team."
The case for Graeme Mulcahy is that he combined work horse with skillful hurling more effeciently than anybody else in the eventual champions.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 1645 - 18/09/2018 18:54:54    2142559

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Replying To perfect10:  "i dunno,a lot of counties have (and always had) players who could win matches but they could never get on the ball.they needed the savage who would go through a wall to win a ball.winning primary posession is a much a factor in winning a match as putting the ball over the bar or in the net.
a team is the sum of its parts.you play players based on their strengths.
the flip side for me is,dj carey could never have been a john power.i know it could be argued "why would he be when he scores goals,etc" but for me,both are equally important in a team."
I'd say that DJ would've done a very fine job as a 'dirty' ball winner. He had a lot of the qualities needed. Joe and TJ would be the same. They're just so much more useful in their preferred roles. The point I'd make is that these players would do a better job in that role, than current workers would do in their roles. The very best hurlers could almost be placed anywhere and be effective.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 268 - 18/09/2018 20:24:34    2142571

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