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Will Joe Canning Catch King Henry? (Championship Scoring)

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Wouldn't take much notice of the average. Shefflin played in 13 All Ireland Finals including a replay where the pressure would be a lot higher than playing through the qualifiers against weaker opposition. In 2012 he scored 3-56 in 6 games (average 10.83). In 2013/2014 combined he scored only 4 points in 9 games coming off the bench. He also went off early in 2 finals with cruciate injuries. This would have diluted his average which was up to then 9.11 (including the injuries) and ahead of Joe's current average. Averages tend to drop as player get older. The scoring total means nothing really other than to the player who has it. Shane Dooley is in the top 10 and we have been terrible the last 10 years. Faithfull (Offaly) - Posts: 573 - 10/08/2018 16:28:03 2131583 Link
Replying To Faithfull: "Wouldn't take much notice of the average. Shefflin played in 13 All Ireland Finals including a replay where the pressure would be a lot higher than playing through the qualifiers against weaker opposition. In 2012 he scored 3-56 in 6 games (average 10.83). In 2013/2014 combined he scored only 4 points in 9 games coming off the bench. He also went off early in 2 finals with cruciate injuries. This would have diluted his average which was up to then 9.11 (including the injuries) and ahead of Joe's current average. Averages tend to drop as player get older. The scoring total means nothing really other than to the player who has it. Shane Dooley is in the top 10 and we have been terrible the last 10 years." Joe had a spell where he wasn't taking frees so this would have affected his average too. I agree in general about it's meaning, as it's going to be completely dominated by freetakers. I'd love to see the same table based only on scores from play, but could never find the stats anywhere. Likewise for football. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2040 - 10/08/2018 16:45:54 2131588 Link
Replying To WanPintWin: "What's also incredible is Nicky Rackard's goalscoring record. 59 in 36 games is ridiculous. Tony Doran's 40 in 40 is also some achievement. While the game has changed massively over time to one where goals are harder to come by, Rackard's goal record stands out even in comparison to the other greats of his own era like Christy Ring." I agree with you. What a savage goal scorer Rackard must have been. Tony Doran too. I'm surprised Joe McKenna of Limerick isn't on the list. When I was growing up I remember him always scoring goals. WoodlawnPat (Galway) - Posts: 288 - 11/08/2018 01:08:36 2131654 Link
Replying To Faithfull: "Wouldn't take much notice of the average. Shefflin played in 13 All Ireland Finals including a replay where the pressure would be a lot higher than playing through the qualifiers against weaker opposition. In 2012 he scored 3-56 in 6 games (average 10.83). In 2013/2014 combined he scored only 4 points in 9 games coming off the bench. He also went off early in 2 finals with cruciate injuries. This would have diluted his average which was up to then 9.11 (including the injuries) and ahead of Joe's current average. Averages tend to drop as player get older. The scoring total means nothing really other than to the player who has it. Shane Dooley is in the top 10 and we have been terrible the last 10 years." You make some good points but everyone can't play for Kilkenny. The list is full of Kilkenny, Tipp, and Cork names and rightfully so as they are the best of the best but in Dooleys case he didn't have the surrounding cast like Shefflin did so had to carry a lot more of the load. Same with Canning in some of his earlier years with the Seniors. Cannings average will drop I'm sure as he gets older but it's still an awesome achievement to be the only Galway guy on the whole list. WoodlawnPat (Galway) - Posts: 288 - 11/08/2018 01:17:01 2131656 Link
Replying To WanPintWin: "Joe had a spell where he wasn't taking frees so this would have affected his average too. I agree in general about it's meaning, as it's going to be completely dominated by freetakers. I'd love to see the same table based only on scores from play, but could never find the stats anywhere. Likewise for football." A few years back I saw a table of top scorers from play and Joe was well up there, in fact I think only John Mullane had a better scoring average. Barnowl94 (Galway) - Posts: 3150 - 11/08/2018 10:22:11 2131688 Link
He will if he scores more then Henry. KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 898 - 11/08/2018 12:23:49 2131713 Link
Replying To WoodlawnPat: "You make some good points but everyone can't play for Kilkenny. The list is full of Kilkenny, Tipp, and Cork names and rightfully so as they are the best of the best but in Dooleys case he didn't have the surrounding cast like Shefflin did so had to carry a lot more of the load. Same with Canning in some of his earlier years with the Seniors. Cannings average will drop I'm sure as he gets older but it's still an awesome achievement to be the only Galway guy on the whole list." It's due to his consistency. He's always up there in the scoring since he joined the Senior team. Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2120 - 12/08/2018 18:47:28 2132363 Link
Replying To Trump2020: "It's due to his consistency. He's always up there in the scoring since he joined the Senior team." I'm surprised Ger Farragher or Eugene Cloonan are not on the list. Maybe not enough matches. WoodlawnPat (Galway) - Posts: 288 - 13/08/2018 20:41:25 2132924 Link
Replying To WoodlawnPat: "I'm surprised Ger Farragher or Eugene Cloonan are not on the list. Maybe not enough matches." Galway weren't in Leinster when them guys played. Some years Galway were bounced out after only one match while the Munster and Leinster teams had a few matches each. Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2120 - 14/08/2018 11:39:30 2133123 Link
Replying To Trump2020: "Galway weren't in Leinster when them guys played. Some years Galway were bounced out after only one match while the Munster and Leinster teams had a few matches each." Well then if that's the case then Galway should get more people on the list in years to come under the current format. WoodlawnPat (Galway) - Posts: 288 - 14/08/2018 22:25:52 2133413 Link
Canning inching closer. All-time top scorers in the All-Ireland Senior Hurling Championship Rank Player Team Scores Tally Games Era Average 1 Henry Shefflin Kilkenny 28-485 569 71 games 1999-2014 8.0 2 Joe Canning Galway 27-423 504 55 games 2008-present 9.03 WoodlawnPat (Galway) - Posts: 288 - 19/08/2018 23:26:49 2134580 Link
Just wanted to get on here and say what joe canning did in that second half was one of the most amazing things I've ever seen on a hurling field and remember he was brutal in the first half with his man scoring two points off him Aswell. Joe canning is up there with the all time greats no doubt about it outstanding. Shelflin Ring Mackey DJ Canning Tommy Walsh Jj Delaney The 7 all time greats for me clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 20/08/2018 11:01:49 2134651 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "Just wanted to get on here and say what joe canning did in that second half was one of the most amazing things I've ever seen on a hurling field and remember he was brutal in the first half with his man scoring two points off him Aswell. Joe canning is up there with the all time greats no doubt about it outstanding. Shelflin Ring Mackey DJ Canning Tommy Walsh Jj Delaney The 7 all time greats for me" Agree re Joe yesterday, but Eddie Keher belongs on that list too. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 20/08/2018 11:39:57 2134678 Link
Joe Canning is fantastic hurler but maybe time is running out on him, he takes a lot of punishment and I think this may be his last year. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 20/08/2018 12:12:52 2134693 Link
Joe in the 2nd half yesterday reminded me of King Henry in the drawn match v Galway in 2012. Single handedly, he dragged Galway back in to it. If Galway had won, it would have been the greatest individual feats by a player in my view. Hard luck to Joe and Galway. StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 20/08/2018 12:20:54 2134699 Link
Replying To StoreysTash: "Joe in the 2nd half yesterday reminded me of King Henry in the drawn match v Galway in 2012. Single handedly, he dragged Galway back in to it. If Galway had won, it would have been the greatest individual feats by a player in my view. Hard luck to Joe and Galway." Obviously scoring the goal from the free was crucial, and the pointed frees, but he hardly won 1 ball in the whole game. All the points he scored were balls won by others and just hand passed to him to strike over, clearly they had to be scored but from open play he was a distant second to Declan Hannon. 890202 (Wexford) - Posts: 1278 - 20/08/2018 12:55:21 2134707 Link
Replying To arock: "Joe Canning is fantastic hurler but maybe time is running out on him, he takes a lot of punishment and I think this may be his last year." I wonder if they'd consider him playing off the bench like Jason Flynn has been doing. I mean spare his legs somewhat. Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2120 - 20/08/2018 15:25:32 2134862 Link
Replying To 890202: "Obviously scoring the goal from the free was crucial, and the pointed frees, but he hardly won 1 ball in the whole game. All the points he scored were balls won by others and just hand passed to him to strike over, clearly they had to be scored but from open play he was a distant second to Declan Hannon." He still got a huge point when they needed one as well. StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 20/08/2018 17:36:14 2134942 Link
Replying To 890202: "Obviously scoring the goal from the free was crucial, and the pointed frees, but he hardly won 1 ball in the whole game. All the points he scored were balls won by others and just hand passed to him to strike over, clearly they had to be scored but from open play he was a distant second to Declan Hannon." Sure loads of Limerick lads were thrown out ball in first half and same with Galway's lads in second half and majority blasted them wide? The accuracy from Joe under pressure when it counted in the 2nd half was phenomenal. It is why he is the best hurler in Ireland bar none. Bar you catch a puck, a ruck or run onto a ball chances our a team mate will give it to the shooter in the best position. Not sure if is your post is trying to downgrade Joe attempts at getting his team back into the game , but it's a pretty pathetic one. Past hurler (None) - Posts: 725 - 21/08/2018 22:27:15 2135477 Link
Replying To cavanman47: "Agree re Joe yesterday, but Eddie Keher belongs on that list too." I would have Joe Cooney on there too and probably Brian Whelehan. Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 944 - 22/08/2018 00:34:35 2135502 Link