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Tyrone V Dublin

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I'm confident we will win this but it dosn't matter much if we don't.
Beat Roscommon in Croker and we are in a semi against Galway or Monaghan.
Easy-peasy.

Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 17/07/2018 13:52:20    2123137

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Not really sure what way I feel yet about this weekend! Plenty to work on from the last day and I think Jim Gavin will make a couple of changes especially to the forward line which so far just isn't clicking as well as it can. Tyrone will be all guns blazing to erase the memory of last year's drubbing and Dublin will want to prove to anyone that they can go away from Croke Park on a big championship day and get the job done. I expect us to come out the right side of this by 2 or 3 points but I don't think it will be a big winning margin. Has the makings of being a special evening and one that the Super 8s needs to inject a bit of life into things after last weekend's damp squib. Will also be exciting to see how the game in Newbridge pans out.

TrueBlue35 (Dublin) - Posts: 206 - 17/07/2018 14:41:13    2123157

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Replying To Dermoot:  "A realistic, frustrated one. I still go and shout them on surely, but am I wasting my time if the manager has no belief in the players to beat Dublin? What happens if Tyrone go behind on Saturday evening? I'd love to see the manager have faith in the players and let them have a go, especially under these circumstances where it's not winner takes all. If they go behind, try something new to win the game, not just accept defeat.

There are a lot of very good players on this Tyrone team, I just want them to be given the best opportunity to be the best they can be."
Totally agree with this poster and many Tyrone friends of mine share his/her view. I watched the semi last year from high up in the hogan stand - I just couldn't believe the tactics from Harte- small man up front on his own for most parts marked by minimum of 2 Dubs - when Tyrone conceded possession they didnt even try and regain it - they just turned on their heels and ran back into defensive positions in their own half. I could see thru this if they didn't allow Dubs to score but the opposite happened and Dubs scored at will. I looked at harte and he just stood on sidelines with arms folded and motionless. He didn't even try something new second half. However he seems to be trying something different in last few games in having a big target man in Richard Donnelly up front with at least 2 others alongside him even without possession - but will he do this against the Dubs at weekend - only then will we know if Harte has learned anything or will he remain doggedly convinced of a tactic that's 10 years old and most good teams can exploit.

IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 17/07/2018 15:00:17    2123165

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Replying To IrishGael3:  "Totally agree with this poster and many Tyrone friends of mine share his/her view. I watched the semi last year from high up in the hogan stand - I just couldn't believe the tactics from Harte- small man up front on his own for most parts marked by minimum of 2 Dubs - when Tyrone conceded possession they didnt even try and regain it - they just turned on their heels and ran back into defensive positions in their own half. I could see thru this if they didn't allow Dubs to score but the opposite happened and Dubs scored at will. I looked at harte and he just stood on sidelines with arms folded and motionless. He didn't even try something new second half. However he seems to be trying something different in last few games in having a big target man in Richard Donnelly up front with at least 2 others alongside him even without possession - but will he do this against the Dubs at weekend - only then will we know if Harte has learned anything or will he remain doggedly convinced of a tactic that's 10 years old and most good teams can exploit."
I can't stop thinking Tyrone are going to eventually turn into Meath post Boylan era. Tyrone have a solid group of inter county footballers but I wouldn't say they are any better than around five or six teams and certainly not at the standard of two or three teams. The manager has kept Tyrone football close to the top table for ten years, winning Ulster Championships and playing Division 1. Yes they have huge backing which helps the conditioning of the team but sometimes people don't know what they have until later down the road. When the great All Ireland winning teams left the stage there was a realisation if not properly managed Tyrone could drop very quickly. They struggled to compete with Donegal and Monaghan in Ulster for a number of years but like Cody is doing with Kilkenny, Harte managed the transition perfectly. Tyrone simply don't have the forwards or the players to win an All Ireland. However if they can manage to somehow achieve it, 100% credit would have to go to Harte. He is imo working miracles with fairly limited resources..sadly for Tyrone maximising potential isn't always enough when your playing the best. He will learn from last year and they might get closer on Sat but I fully expect the Dubs to win by 6 plus. A defeat would not be down to the management as I doubt any other management team would have this Tyrone team any closer to achieving an All Ireland. It would be the best All Ireland win of all time if he did manage to win it.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 17/07/2018 15:59:06    2123202

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Is the game on SkyGAA or RTE?
Instead of Tyrone defending the "scoring zone" id like to see a bit more press and hunger in our attacking half and midfield to win the ball back compared to last years semi final of retrieving all 15 back behind the ball in own 45. It will take tackling and guts like 2003 All Ireland Semi final against Kerry to come close to Dublin this weekend.

budlight (Tyrone) - Posts: 540 - 18/07/2018 07:19:25    2123366

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I thought Tyrone played well against Dublin in Omagh in the first half of this years league game. Tyrone have come on leaps and bounds over the past five games and in my opinion are peaking nicely for the major part of the season. I wonder how Kerry for instance would have fared last weekend if they had played four games in the back door previous to the game with Galway. If Kerry and Mayo are unable to put it up to Dublin maybe Tyrone and Galway will be the teams to take them on.

Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1780 - 18/07/2018 11:47:40    2123440

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Replying To Byanthon:  "I thought Tyrone played well against Dublin in Omagh in the first half of this years league game. Tyrone have come on leaps and bounds over the past five games and in my opinion are peaking nicely for the major part of the season. I wonder how Kerry for instance would have fared last weekend if they had played four games in the back door previous to the game with Galway. If Kerry and Mayo are unable to put it up to Dublin maybe Tyrone and Galway will be the teams to take them on."
Yea maybe

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 18/07/2018 12:51:52    2123469

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Tyrone are really going well at the moment and have done really well to reignite their season after the loss to Monaghan. They really hammered Roscommon and Cork and have been scoring for fun. However you can forget about past performances when you face the Dubs. They are so far ahead of the likes of Roscommon that it really isn't relevant. We have all been there, you get some impressive victories against Div 2, 3 or 4 teams and then you meet the Dubs and get taught an almighty lesson.

Playing at home has to help Tyrone and the Dublin forwards are not hitting top form. Con O'Callaghan, Ciaran Kilkenny, etc. are never going to score as much from play as Bernard Brogan, Connolly and Paul Flynn in their prime. You just never know but I still think Dublin will win by 4/5 points.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1874 - 18/07/2018 15:55:08    2123529

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Replying To Byanthon:  "I thought Tyrone played well against Dublin in Omagh in the first half of this years league game. Tyrone have come on leaps and bounds over the past five games and in my opinion are peaking nicely for the major part of the season. I wonder how Kerry for instance would have fared last weekend if they had played four games in the back door previous to the game with Galway. If Kerry and Mayo are unable to put it up to Dublin maybe Tyrone and Galway will be the teams to take them on."
Actually thought the same, we were bossing the game and gave away a bad goal that brought Dublin back into it. Even after that in the 2nd half we missed numerous chances and Dublin won pulling up, but the players didn't seem too despondent, I honestly believe that it was a game they felt they left behind. A big learning curve seems to be one of the cliches/buzz phrases that's used a lot, so I'll join the club and say that was the case! People say you would have to beat Dublin twice to won the All-Ireland, well, as a Tyrone man I hope we chalk of one of those wins on Saturday night. Tir Eoghain Abu!

Dergforeeva (Tyrone) - Posts: 90 - 18/07/2018 16:48:58    2123546

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Replying To budlight:  "Is the game on SkyGAA or RTE?
Instead of Tyrone defending the "scoring zone" id like to see a bit more press and hunger in our attacking half and midfield to win the ball back compared to last years semi final of retrieving all 15 back behind the ball in own 45. It will take tackling and guts like 2003 All Ireland Semi final against Kerry to come close to Dublin this weekend."
Both of the games on Saturday are on sky and Sundays games are on rte. Very interesting weekend ahead as each of the games could go either way.

KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 898 - 18/07/2018 17:31:53    2123561

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Have to say Tyrone look good value at 3/1 for this. 50/50 game in my eyes!

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8591 - 18/07/2018 20:07:05    2123592

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I think Tyrone will win this as the Dublin forwards do not seem to be working well as a unit and they are playing more and more with a blanket defence and I would say Tyrone have the team to overcome them if they do the same at the weekend.

mon07 (Monaghan) - Posts: 139 - 18/07/2018 20:09:46    2123595

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Dublin to win by 4 points. Tyrone too rigid playing the same old glaringly obvious style. This is Galway's All Ireland either way

cacsmckilly (Tyrone) - Posts: 1294 - 18/07/2018 20:21:42    2123599

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the sidelines in healy park are being brought in by 8 metres on either side to go for the minimum width...all to tyrone's advantage so as to restrict the space for the dubs when they try to widen the game out going forward...

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 18/07/2018 20:33:48    2123601

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Replying To Dergforeeva:  "Actually thought the same, we were bossing the game and gave away a bad goal that brought Dublin back into it. Even after that in the 2nd half we missed numerous chances and Dublin won pulling up, but the players didn't seem too despondent, I honestly believe that it was a game they felt they left behind. A big learning curve seems to be one of the cliches/buzz phrases that's used a lot, so I'll join the club and say that was the case! People say you would have to beat Dublin twice to won the All-Ireland, well, as a Tyrone man I hope we chalk of one of those wins on Saturday night. Tir Eoghain Abu!"
Yeah. Was up there myself and lost count of the amount of terrible wides that Tyrone kicked. I think there were a couple of goal chances in there too.
I think this one is too close to call, and I predict a humdinger if an atmosphere, far better than the dour double-headers

Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 382 - 18/07/2018 21:47:14    2123619

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Replying To mayotyroneman:  "the sidelines in healy park are being brought in by 8 metres on either side to go for the minimum width...all to tyrone's advantage so as to restrict the space for the dubs when they try to widen the game out going forward..."
Bahaha, could you imagine :D

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8591 - 18/07/2018 22:43:49    2123635

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If Tyrone can restrict Fenton's influence I think they can win by a few points.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 18/07/2018 23:06:34    2123639

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "I'm more excited about this away game than anything else, going to be some occasion cannot wait. What's the attendance of Healy Park? Dubs will be fired up to show they can win anywhere Tyrone will be fired up cause it's the Dubs no more words needed."
I'm loving the complacency. Long may it last!

festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3097 - 18/07/2018 23:29:37    2123650

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tyrone county board and management now upping the ante 3 days out from the game...calls for the support to bring noise, colour and intimidation to the occasion...of course we will all respond as we fight the good fight, and all march with the red hand into battle...this is our all-ireland, and this is where we make our stand...keep the faith!

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 19/07/2018 00:05:46    2123658

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Very little word coming out of the Dublin camp this week, i like it.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 19/07/2018 10:48:46    2123703

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