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Dublin Getting 2 Home Games In The Super 8s. Fair Or Unfair?

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Replying To SAMMYTHEBULL:  "Mayo beat themselves against the Dubs on three occasions at least. The home difference would have swung it Dublin's way. Don't be coming out with ridiculous statements. Kerry won 4 in a Row playing away from home in all Semi-Finals and Finals. Galway won 3 in a Row. If Dublin does it, it is because they get to play all semis and finals at home. Big Difference. History will never change that fact."
How did Mayo beat themselves? Ridiculous comment.

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 28/07/2018 20:55:32    2127087

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Replying To SAMMYTHEBULL:  "Mayo beat themselves against the Dubs on three occasions at least. The home difference would have swung it Dublin's way. Don't be coming out with ridiculous statements. Kerry won 4 in a Row playing away from home in all Semi-Finals and Finals. Galway won 3 in a Row. If Dublin does it, it is because they get to play all semis and finals at home. Big Difference. History will never change that fact."
We beat ourselves because we weren't good enough to seal the deal. We beat Dublin in '06 and '12 semis and still couldn't win it. Hardly Dublin's fault? All Ireland semis and finals are in Croke Park and have been there for a very long time. Do you want them to hold the GAA to play them somewhere else? Dublin are a class team with a great manager. You can be damn sure Kevin Walsh and his team will be doing their utmost to win Sam this year and not make excuses.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 28/07/2018 22:10:08    2127109

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "We beat ourselves because we weren't good enough to seal the deal. We beat Dublin in '06 and '12 semis and still couldn't win it. Hardly Dublin's fault? All Ireland semis and finals are in Croke Park and have been there for a very long time. Do you want them to hold the GAA to play them somewhere else? Dublin are a class team with a great manager. You can be damn sure Kevin Walsh and his team will be doing their utmost to win Sam this year and not make excuses."
Yee were the better team by far in two A I. You scored two own Goals when all else failed. Every Tom Dick and Harry knows Home Advantage is worth 3 to 5 Points. The fact remains that Dublin never won anything of importance playing away from home. You can argue all you like but you will never change that. Why don't the GAA spend the Millions on another stadium so there could be a neutral venue?

SAMMYTHEBULL (Galway) - Posts: 1646 - 28/07/2018 22:20:16    2127112

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Replying To SAMMYTHEBULL:  "Mayo beat themselves against the Dubs on three occasions at least. The home difference would have swung it Dublin's way. Don't be coming out with ridiculous statements. Kerry won 4 in a Row playing away from home in all Semi-Finals and Finals. Galway won 3 in a Row. If Dublin does it, it is because they get to play all semis and finals at home. Big Difference. History will never change that fact."
Do you seriously think that this Dublin team would have lost those games at a neutral venue? What's Mayo's record like against Dublin in McHale park anyway? Kerry won 4 in a row playing one game to make an AI semi and to win a football championship in a hurling province. Big difference between those wins and the hard fought QF/S8 games and in an era where a fat beer belly smoker wouldn't get to coach a team let alone pull on a jersey for one. The teams these days are supremely fit, pro athletes in all but name, 100% dedicated to their county and we are in an era where systems can win titles. Different world today.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 28/07/2018 22:28:29    2127114

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Replying To Workingclass:  "Going by that logic, Dublin should have won every AI that was played in CP. Since they didn't, there must be other factors involved. Such as? Any ideas Sammy?"
League games being played in Croke Park since 2011 is a changed dynamic. If Mayo were hosting quarter-finals, semi-finals and final in Castlebar it would have made a difference.

This thread has gotten plenty of oxygen. It's a discussion that has to be had however. McGuinness and Donegal have rightly set the ball rolling.

Dublin Region supporters as early as 2013 were admitting that it was an advantage.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7842 - 28/07/2018 22:31:41    2127115

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Replying To SAMMYTHEBULL:  "Yee were the better team by far in two A I. You scored two own Goals when all else failed. Every Tom Dick and Harry knows Home Advantage is worth 3 to 5 Points. The fact remains that Dublin never won anything of importance playing away from home. You can argue all you like but you will never change that. Why don't the GAA spend the Millions on another stadium so there could be a neutral venue?"
If we were the better team we would have won. Because it would be a waste of money that would be better used at grassroots level.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 28/07/2018 23:53:41    2127140

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Replying To legendzxix:  "League games being played in Croke Park since 2011 is a changed dynamic. If Mayo were hosting quarter-finals, semi-finals and final in Castlebar it would have made a difference.

This thread has gotten plenty of oxygen. It's a discussion that has to be had however. McGuinness and Donegal have rightly set the ball rolling.

Dublin Region supporters as early as 2013 were admitting that it was an advantage."
Dublin 2-17 Kerry 0-11 in Croke Park in March. It's a sorry state of affairs if supporters of some counties are using Croke Park as an excuse to justify class differences and annihilations like this. I'm convinced that this Dublin team, weakened by player losses and all as it is, would beat any of the chasing 5 on their home patch in the championship, no question. The Mayo and Donegal players have played at HQ many, many times. It's not a strange or alien place to them, unlike other "away" grounds, it's a home away from home as unlike other "away" grounds it hosts all games at the business end of the league and championship. Some of the top players have been playing in CP reqularly since they were 17. How many other counties can say that about their home ground?

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 29/07/2018 10:45:21    2127192

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Replying To Joxer:  "Dublin 2-17 Kerry 0-11 in Croke Park in March. It's a sorry state of affairs if supporters of some counties are using Croke Park as an excuse to justify class differences and annihilations like this. I'm convinced that this Dublin team, weakened by player losses and all as it is, would beat any of the chasing 5 on their home patch in the championship, no question. The Mayo and Donegal players have played at HQ many, many times. It's not a strange or alien place to them, unlike other "away" grounds, it's a home away from home as unlike other "away" grounds it hosts all games at the business end of the league and championship. Some of the top players have been playing in CP reqularly since they were 17. How many other counties can say that about their home ground?"
For crying out loud man, stop talking sense.

Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 29/07/2018 11:01:40    2127203

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Its pretty simple really.

All grounds are owned by the GAA, generally a county plays its home games in the biggest stadium in its county.

Dublins happens to be Croke Park, its the same premise for every other county.

I think the onus if counties feel that strongly about it is to object come All Ireland semi and final time to be honest, Dublin are just basically doing what every other County do.

The S8's id acknowledge are an anomaly, hopefully one that is corrected.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 29/07/2018 11:20:41    2127206

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Replying To legendzxix:  "League games being played in Croke Park since 2011 is a changed dynamic. If Mayo were hosting quarter-finals, semi-finals and final in Castlebar it would have made a difference.

This thread has gotten plenty of oxygen. It's a discussion that has to be had however. McGuinness and Donegal have rightly set the ball rolling.

Dublin Region supporters as early as 2013 were admitting that it was an advantage."
Legend you need to take your beatings without making any excuses. As this Dublin team did and hence the reason they are as strong as they are!

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 29/07/2018 12:19:32    2127220

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I think a good way to address this is for the Leinster council to take an annual down take of income and have Dublin play all their Leinster championship games outside of HQ - apart from final of course.

That should always be in HQ.

This will take the courage of each Leinster county to vote in such a manner. Rather than the usual landslide vote in favour of keeping Dublin in Croke Park.

I know it'll mean less €€ and fewer people will get to watch the games but so be it. The long term drop in income is bound to have some sort of negative impacts but so be it. That's what the majority of people want. (I think) I'm not sure what T&C's come along with broadcasting rights and the possible breaches in contract that could happen but so be it.

Dublin have already played 2 games outside of CP in the championship, so change is absolutely happening but for that change to be built on it'll take courage of other Leinster counties for that to happen and I'm not sure how the long term financial impacts of such courage will have. Will it mean less revenue being pumped into the grassroots within their counties? I presume it will but what impact that has is hard to say.

We hear a lot about how important money is.

Dublin could have had 3/4 away games. We should have played Wicklow on their own pitch! Could the Longford game have been played elsewhere? I think so and Dublin could have played Donegal in PUC/Clones/Limerick/Mayo but again the chance to make all that happen wasn't taken and counties voted in such a way to insure that it didn't happen.

The mechanisms to build on more away games is there but they are not being availed of and until that changes unfortunately these sorts of threads will occur which when you think about it.. is completely futile.

Dublin fans will travel wherever we're told. We'll continue to travel in numbers and will enjoy something that we've not had access to during the championship. We've travelled in large numbers during the NFL and we've enjoyed an excellent away record.

Now go and contact your county representatives to make all that happen because your energy would be better spent doing that than investing in this futile exercise.

The very best of luck to you and it'll be easy.. Just copy and paste your previous comments found here on this thread and sure email addresses are readily available to put you in direct contact in an instant.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 29/07/2018 12:40:01    2127231

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Very good post mate,

To be honest i would like All Ireland Semis and possibly the final outside Croke Park.

Absolutely no reason why a Dublin and say Kerry semi final couldn't be played in PUC in my opinion. (I know im mad to get down there).

I actually think that would make better financial sense, Dublin fans would travel, Kerry arent renowned for a big away support and it might spark in interest with them to make Cork.

Cork CIty would be able to host the expected crowd as well.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 29/07/2018 13:26:23    2127244

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I was at last year's final and I actually thought there was more mayo fans in the place , apart from the hill of course... all the neutrals cheering Mayo, was that not beneficial to them, on a fantastic surface. Dublin didn't win an Ireland for 15 years or so and it didn't bother anybody. Like I said its an incredible group of players and let me tell you they will win a few more, but then the tide will turn and other teams will win a few here and there and this great team will break up when older heads move on and maybe Gavin steps aside. As a neutral the country is very anti Dublin in my opinion, they play great football and can adapt to any system.
Tyrone racking up huge scores and then Dublin come to town and beat them. What more do you wants !!!

GAAdundalk (Louth) - Posts: 641 - 29/07/2018 15:09:15    2127267

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Can't believe this thread is still active, take our game against Tyrone next weekend, if it was in Omagh it would be an advantage to them, but us playing at home is an advantage to us, it's not rocket science, this is a great Dublin team,I think they'd be going for 6 in a row if Donegal hadn't shocked them in that 2014 semi final, ok playing all the games at home has to be an advantage to them, bit you still have to acknowledge how good they are, I think they improved into a more dogged team now since that 2014 semi final, Diarmuid Connolly gone has made them more vulnerable, hard to see anyone beating them but Galway have an outside chance I suppose,
the point Donegal CB made about the super 8 fixtures was valid and we may see changes in future.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2747 - 29/07/2018 15:46:37    2127273

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Replying To GAAdundalk:  "I was at last year's final and I actually thought there was more mayo fans in the place , apart from the hill of course... all the neutrals cheering Mayo, was that not beneficial to them, on a fantastic surface. Dublin didn't win an Ireland for 15 years or so and it didn't bother anybody. Like I said its an incredible group of players and let me tell you they will win a few more, but then the tide will turn and other teams will win a few here and there and this great team will break up when older heads move on and maybe Gavin steps aside. As a neutral the country is very anti Dublin in my opinion, they play great football and can adapt to any system.
Tyrone racking up huge scores and then Dublin come to town and beat them. What more do you wants !!!"
It's interesting you say that mo chara, I often find the atmosphere at All Ireland Finals odd, don't get me wrong it's a great day with the streets heaving and craic flying. I find it a bit different in the ground though, Id say 60% fans from the competing counties. 20% hangers on who have come by a ticket and are their for day as opposed the match and 10% neutrals. Celebrations etc are excellent of course and their is a sense of occasion. But atmospheres for semis etc seem more tribal and less diversified everyone is there for the matches opposed the occasion.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 29/07/2018 17:34:06    2127290

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Replying To TheUsername:  "It's interesting you say that mo chara, I often find the atmosphere at All Ireland Finals odd, don't get me wrong it's a great day with the streets heaving and craic flying. I find it a bit different in the ground though, Id say 60% fans from the competing counties. 20% hangers on who have come by a ticket and are their for day as opposed the match and 10% neutrals. Celebrations etc are excellent of course and their is a sense of occasion. But atmospheres for semis etc seem more tribal and less diversified everyone is there for the matches opposed the occasion."
I try and go to as many games as possible,lenister matches,quarters semis, doesn't matter what county or code, even went to a few Munster matches when down the country,I try to be vocal and cheer the teams on. I love our sport and love watching it at its highest level...as the saying goes nothing beats being there.

GAAdundalk (Louth) - Posts: 641 - 29/07/2018 17:37:59    2127291

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I wanted to post a fair and balanced comment that a toss of a coin should be used to determine which team can do there pre-match routine in front of Hill 16.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7842 - 31/07/2018 14:01:16    2127870

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Looks like Dublin are going to loose home advantage in some league games next year after breaching rules in prep for championship.

Awesome weekend in Galway and Cork, maybe even Celtic Park, please and thank you GAA.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 04/08/2018 15:57:33    2128941

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Replying To legendzxix:  "I wanted to post a fair and balanced comment that a toss of a coin should be used to determine which team can do there pre-match routine in front of Hill 16."
I'd like I they stopped pretending Atha Cliath came alphabetically before An Mhí, An Ciarraí etc. . .

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 04/08/2018 16:04:12    2128943

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Fair play to Dublin though, they're giving up their right to home advantage against Roscommon and playing the game in a neutral venue, Croke Park. Incredible sportsmanship, not many counties would give up home advantage like that.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 04/08/2018 16:11:03    2128944

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